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One in many trillions: Lottery player wins 2 games on the same day
San Jose Mercury News | December 12, 2002 | Nicole C. Wong

Posted on 12/12/2002 11:02:03 AM PST by new cruelty

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To: Junior
Tornado in a junkyard!
21 posted on 12/12/2002 12:49:05 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Junior
My cat's as fat as three or four ordinary cats now.
22 posted on 12/12/2002 12:50:34 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: new cruelty
What a crappy excuse for a newspaper article. Here, read this one in the San Francisco Chronicle
23 posted on 12/12/2002 12:52:40 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: general_re
While you're right that someone winning the lottery is a rather common occurrence - happens every week or two here in NY - the point is that the odds of any one person winning both lotteries are rather long.

Well, yes, that was my point, in reverse. As I said, it's marvelous for Mr. Angelo Gallina. I'll bet he never saw it coming.

But in a state as populous as California, odds are it would happen to someone, somewhere possibly as frequently as once or twice a year. Seen in that light, it's a fairly common occurence, hardly the "astronomical" news item the article gives the impression of it being. That's my only point.

24 posted on 12/12/2002 12:54:30 PM PST by RansomOttawa
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To: Revolting cat!
lol, the guy at the San Jose Mercury News said this one was spot on.

maybe he said spotted on.
25 posted on 12/12/2002 12:54:51 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: RansomOttawa
I second that about truly interesting comments, thank you for that fascinating insight. This is why I come to Free Republic.
26 posted on 12/12/2002 12:57:22 PM PST by Contra
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To: RansomOttawa
But in a state as populous as California, odds are it would happen to someone, somewhere possibly as frequently as once or twice a year.

You've lost me. "Odds are" that what would happen? That a particular person would win both lotteries, or that both lotteries would be won? Either way, it doesn't make sense - I'm sure both lotteries are won quite often, probably dozens of times a year, but the odds that the same person will win both of them are extremely remote. Which is the point of the article, right?

27 posted on 12/12/2002 1:04:38 PM PST by general_re
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To: Revolting cat!
Yeah, I'm nitpicky, but I'm Canadian and I live under a repressive socialist regime so I have to amuse myself somehow. Society is to blame. Anyway, all this nitpicking is done in good fun.

From the SF Chronicle:

It had to happen sooner or later for Angelo and Maria Gallina, who figure they have spent $124,000 over the years on lottery tickets.

"It had to happen sooner or later" is another statistical fallacy, commonly known as the "gambler's fallacy": the odds of winning increase the longer a losing streak goes. Nope. Each lottery is an independent event. If you've spent $124,000 on lottery tickets, the ticket bought with dollar #124,001 is no more likely to be a winner than #1 was.

Besides, even if it were true, if the odds of winning a lottery are 1 in 41 million and you've only bought $124,000 worth of tickets so far, "it had to happen sooner or later" is still probably going to come much later.

28 posted on 12/12/2002 1:10:02 PM PST by RansomOttawa
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To: new cruelty
It just shows ya that state lotteries are fixed, just like professional wrestling and the NFL games!
29 posted on 12/12/2002 1:10:53 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: Revolting cat!
EGADS!

Say it isnt so!
30 posted on 12/12/2002 1:11:40 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: RansomOttawa
To me the math of this is about as interesting as the math that would explain the fender bender I was in a month or so ago. (I'm sure the odds of it happening were just about as astronimical as the odds described above, and yet, it did happen.)

What I found interesting (and why I dissed the SJMercury version) was (1) that these fools still keep playing, and (2) this:

About the only thing they agreed on was that they would be sitting in front of the TV this week as always, holding hands and watching the numbered balls shoot from the lottery machine.

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'HARD LABOR' REWARDED

Shaking the gadget over and over, week after week, and copying down the numbers was not easy, he said. He credited his windfall to "hard labor." In the back of the room stood the couple's accountant, Mark Vranes, who said that spending $124,000 on lottery tickets was OK for the Gallinas because it has "added meaning to their lives."


31 posted on 12/12/2002 1:24:52 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: general_re
You've lost me. "Odds are" that what would happen? That a particular person would win both lotteries, or that both lotteries would be won?

Neither. That an arbitrary person (you don't care who) would win both lotteries.

The bottom line is this: For one person, buying one ticket each in two lotteries for one week's draws, the odds of this happening are, as the article said, "astronomical." But when millions of people buy multiple tickets week after week, the "astronomical" odds start to come down to earth to the point where you should actually expect this sort of thing to happen fairly frequently. And, of course, there are also plenty of states in the union with lotteries of their own . . . .

As I said earlier, I am being nit-picky, granted. And it is a good human interest story. Still, I don't like to see figures abused that way.

32 posted on 12/12/2002 2:37:03 PM PST by RansomOttawa
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To: Revolting cat!
To me the math of this is about as interesting as the math that would explain the fender bender I was in a month or so ago.

Fair enough . . . for my part, I personally love figuring out why number games work.

What I found interesting (and why I dissed the SJMercury version) was (1) that these fools still keep playing, and (2) this:

Yeah, the "hard labour rewarded" part is pretty pathetic. Was there no reward in the hard labour of being a machinist? Some work ethic.

33 posted on 12/12/2002 2:42:35 PM PST by RansomOttawa
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To: Junior
This one's definitely going to be posted the next time someone claims "the odds are astronomical."

Truly astonomical. It equates to one protein out of all possible proteins of length 11(using 21 amino acids) or a DNA/RNA chain of 23 bases.

2111= 3.50278E+14

423= 7.03687E+13

Try a protein of 50

2150= 1.29111E+66

or a RNA/DNA chain of 150 bases

4150= 2.03704E+90

34 posted on 12/12/2002 4:26:52 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
even astronomical
35 posted on 12/12/2002 4:32:26 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: RansomOttawa
Okay, I see where you're going. We're interested in the odds of one person winning both, which are obviously dependent on the number of tickets that one person plays. It says in the article he averages around 20 tickets a day, which is 140 a week, 7280 a year, or 291200 over 40 years (I wonder if this clown bothered to mentally subtract all the money he's lost from his winnings, but nevermind).

It doesn't say either way, but let's assume half were for one drawing, and half for the other. That brings his odds of winning the first to 145,600 in 41 million, and the odds of the second to 145,600 in 575,000 (a slight improvement). Multiply them together, and he's got about 9 chances in 10,000 of winning, or slightly better than one chance in 1100. Still not so hot, when you consider that's the odds for a 40 year span.

I suspect that this fellow is way up on the high end of lottery players, which reduces the pool of folks who can expect to see odds like that, and thus the odds that you'll see this happen again. Of course, the real kicker is that, along with not mentally subtracting how much he's spent on tickets over the years, he's also almost surely not figuring up his opportunity costs. Assuming an average 8% return, that same $600 a month he spent on lottery tickets would have yielded him almost $2.3 million at the end of 40 years. And that's a much better bet than the lottery ;)

36 posted on 12/12/2002 5:45:06 PM PST by general_re
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To: general_re
I would almost laugh at the guy. He estimates he'd lost 124,000 dollars gambling over all the years. Then in one night he wins 126,000 in one drawing. That makes back his losses with 2K to spare, except that he'll owe taxes on his "big win" and can't deduct all those losses from other years. That would have left him still quite a bit in the hole except that his big win came an hour later and put him far ahead, taxes or no taxes.
37 posted on 12/12/2002 6:51:42 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I would almost laugh at the guy. He estimates he'd lost 124,000 dollars gambling over all the years. Then in one night he wins 126,000 in one drawing.

He's probably going to try to offset his winnings with his estimated losses over the years. At least that's my guess as to what he may be thinking about. It won't work. But that's likely to be the origin of that $124K figure for his losses. So I wouldn't take that figure too seriously. Which throws off everyone's calculations for the odds of his winning as he did.

38 posted on 12/12/2002 7:00:47 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: new cruelty
Love that answer!
39 posted on 12/12/2002 7:05:28 PM PST by bvw
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To: PatrickHenry
It won't work.

I think he can only deduct his losses for this year. They will be miniscule compared to his megabucks win.

40 posted on 12/12/2002 7:17:27 PM PST by VadeRetro
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