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UNNATURAL LAW (Supremes to review sodomy laws) liberal barf-and offensive content alert
NEW YORKER ^ | 12/16/02 issue | Hendrik Hertzberg

Posted on 12/10/2002 11:21:41 AM PST by Liz

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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Libertarian,

In order for something to be codified, it must be in the code. Since There is nothing in the Code for Attempt, Soliciation, Conspiracy, and Compounding a Felony, they are not codified.

The other internet lawyer claimed that only crimes specifically spelled out in a statute could be punished. You are trying to defend that. Problem is, it is wrong.

There are no statutes that cover the above.

There is no statute that defines Crimes Against Nature or Common Law Robbery.

541 posted on 12/12/2002 5:04:31 PM PST by FF578
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To: jjm2111
every one of us in His image with free Will

AHAH!

The Free Will argument.

Man cannot and does not have free will. Man left to himself knows only evil, can only do evil. Man can never come to a saving knowledge unless Almighty God draws him.

John 6:44

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Romans 9:11-24

(for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Ephesians 1:4-5

just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

God Decides who will be saved and who will be left in their sin. Man has no Free Will to choose God or save himself.

A Man can no more choose God than he can sprout wings and fly into heaven.

542 posted on 12/12/2002 5:18:56 PM PST by FF578
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To: ZULU
You are right. Without Morality there can be no government.

Way back in 1815, The Pennsylvania Supreme Court decided an important case, here are excerpts from that case: It reflects the case law of the day, and the attitude on which our nation was founded.)

This court is...invested with power to punish not only open violations of decency and morality, but also whatever secretly tends to undermine the principles of society... Whatever tends to the destruction of morality, in general, may be punishable criminally. Crimes are public offenses, not because they are perpetrated publically, but because their effect is to injure the public. Buglary, though done in secret, is a public offense; and secretly destroying fences is indictable.

Hence it follows, that an offense may be punishable, if in it's nature and by it's example, it tends to the corruption or morals; although it not be committed in public.

Although every immoral act, such as lying, ect... is not indictable, yet where the offense charged is destructive of morality in general...it is punishable at common law. The destruction of morality renders the power of government invalid...

No man is permitted to corrupt the morals of the people, secret poision cannot be thus desseminated.

543 posted on 12/12/2002 5:21:21 PM PST by FF578
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To: FF578
The other internet lawyer claimed that only crimes specifically spelled out in a statute could be punished.

No I'm not. My, you're really, really thick. Time to cut your losses, FF.

544 posted on 12/13/2002 5:40:46 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: FF578
That. . . hearing they may hear and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Mark 4:12 quoting Isaiah 6:9

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Matthew 23:37

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Romans 9:11-24

Draw doesn't mean force. An advertisement draws you to buy the product. But it doesn't force you to. God draws each one of his Children to him. Accepting God's invitation is your choice. With regards to free will, the Bible contradicts itself. I believe in Free Will. You can believe what you wish. BTW, Shakespeare said, "Brevity is the soul of wit."

545 posted on 12/13/2002 5:58:22 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: FF578
I have read through the first 150 responses to this thread. Unfortunately, I do not have the time at the moment to read the remaining 400 or so. Therefore, I would appreciate if you would answer the following questions concisely and in your own words, just so I can get a feeling for where you're coming from:

a.)Do you believe the practice of oral sex between a man and a woman should be illegal? If so, what is an appropriate penalty?

b.)Do you think one should have the right to practice Judaeism in the U.S.?

c.)Do you think one should have the right to practice Islam in the U.S.?

d.)Early in the thread, you stated that you supported a three-month jail term for blasphemy. With that in mind, if a movement to revoke the first amendment by constitutional means was started, would you support it?

e.)Do you think Vice President Cheney's daughter should be executed for being a lesbian?

f.)What are your feelings on so-called "former" homosexuals who have since renounced the lifestyle? Do you think that they should be punished for their homosexuality retroactively?
546 posted on 12/13/2002 9:26:32 AM PST by jmc813
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To: Roscoe
Come to think of it, I'd appreciate if you would answer my question I posed above as well, Roscoe. Please keep in mind that I'm looking for your opinion in your own words. Thanx.
547 posted on 12/13/2002 9:42:11 AM PST by jmc813
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To: jmc813
Your questions are hysterical.
548 posted on 12/13/2002 11:52:08 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Your questions are hysterical.

Well, they were originally meant for ol' FF578, but being that it seemed as if you agreed with him quite a bit, I figured I'd ask you as well. Going by what my instinct told me FF's answers would be, the questions are hysterical by design.

Don't get me wrong, as much as we disagree on several topics, I have no doubt you are much more sane than FF578. But please, humor me and answer them if you would.
549 posted on 12/13/2002 12:50:59 PM PST by jmc813
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To: concerned about politics
AIDs came to America through homosexuals

The cost of AIDs to the American tax payer is out of control

Oh good. The homosexuals are starting an AIDs charity


You do realize "AIDS" is an acronym ans not a plural, right?
550 posted on 12/13/2002 1:36:35 PM PST by jmc813
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