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Is this Churchill quote legitimate? (Says America should've stayed out of WWI)
New York Enquirer ^ | 1936 | na

Posted on 12/09/2002 9:33:34 PM PST by zapiks44

,,America should have minded her own business and stayed out of the World War. If you hadn't entered the war the Allies would have made peace with Germany in the Spring of 1917. Had we made peace then there would have been no collapse in Russia followed by Communism, no breakdown in Italy followed by Fascism, and Germany would not have signed the Versailles Treaty, which has enthroned Nazism in Germany. If America had stayed out of the war, all these 'isms' wouldn't today be sweeping the continent of Europe and breaking down parliamentary government - and if England had made peace early in 1917, it would have saved over one million British, French, American, and other lives."


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Winston Churchill is said to have made this remark in an interview with the New York Enquirer in 1936. Does anyone here know if this quote is legitimate or not?
1 posted on 12/09/2002 9:33:34 PM PST by zapiks44
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Oh great, NOW HE TELLS US!
2 posted on 12/09/2002 9:41:25 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: zapiks44
Winston Churchill is said t

Are you sure that was not Pat Buchanan dressed up in his Winston Churchill suit?

3 posted on 12/09/2002 9:45:43 PM PST by Common Tator
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I don't think Churchill said that. But we damn sure SHOULD have stayed out of WWI!
4 posted on 12/09/2002 9:45:50 PM PST by StockAyatollah
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To: zapiks44
America should have minded her own business
5 posted on 12/09/2002 9:49:17 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
Smart man that Churchill.
6 posted on 12/09/2002 9:52:31 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: zapiks44
... and if England had made peace early in 1917, it would have saved over one million British, French, American, and other lives."

Yeah, well he counters his own argument then, hah.

7 posted on 12/09/2002 9:52:39 PM PST by thatsnotnice
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--I don't think he said it either. British files show that Churchill was plotting to entice "neutral" shipping into areas patroled by German submarines as early as 1915, if I remember correctly--
8 posted on 12/09/2002 9:59:28 PM PST by rellimpank
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To: zapiks44
It's always difficult to prove somebody didn't say something, but I highly doubt WC is responsible for this.

#1 It's out of character. He was very bellicose throughout his life.

#2 The language isn't right. He wouldn't have used such pedestrian language.

#3 I don't think he was dumb enough to make the assumption that Germany would go along with any British peace feelers. By 1917 the German government was under complete control of the military. Along with a lot of civilians on all sides, most officers felt the only way to even partially justify the suffering of the war was by victory.

9 posted on 12/09/2002 10:08:04 PM PST by Restorer
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He said it. Do a Google search for: Churchill America should have minded her own business and stayed out of the World War.

You'll get numerous sources for that quote and similar ones. He was right, too.
10 posted on 12/09/2002 10:11:39 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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British files show that Churchill was plotting to entice "neutral" shipping into areas patroled by German submarines as early as 1915

Yep. The Germans tried to take out newspaper ads warning Americans not to travel on ships like the Lusitania, which may be illegally carrying munitions to help the Brits. The US gov't stopped most of these ads from running.

There was also supposed to be a British destroyer or two escorting the Lusitania when it reached a certain distance from Britian, but it was mysteriously "canceled".

William Jennings Byrant, the Sec. of State under Wilson, resigned in outrage due to the whole affair.

11 posted on 12/09/2002 10:17:17 PM PST by Mulder
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To: Restorer; aculeus; Orual; general_re; MadIvan; BlueLancer; MinuteGal; zapiks44
#2 The language isn't right.

IMO, you've nailed it. This is no more Churchill

If America had stayed out of the war, all these 'isms' wouldn't today be sweeping the continent of Europe and breaking down parliamentary government - and if England had made peace early in 1917, it would have saved over one million British, French, American, and other lives.
than I am Edward III.
12 posted on 12/09/2002 10:25:30 PM PST by dighton
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To: zapiks44
Churchill may or may not have said this as quoted.

Before I take this quotation at face value I will need to see something from a source which does not pass through a filter associated with Pat Buchanan, Harry Browne or some libertarian megaphone.

And I would need to know if the New York Enquirer had some ideological axe to grind.

For instance, was it a mouthpiece for the isolationist America Firsters or the German-American Bund or such like..

13 posted on 12/09/2002 10:28:04 PM PST by quidnunc
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The internet's a wonderful tool, but it's often totally full of sh*t.

I don't know if this quote is attributed correctly, but a bunch of Google hits doesn't confirm anything.

Ask Barbara Streisand about Shakespeare.

The language sounds awfully pedestrian for Churchill, but I guess he couldn't have sounded grandiose ordering a cup of coffee either.

14 posted on 12/09/2002 10:34:24 PM PST by dead
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To: Restorer
Here's the genuine article:
So we come to the principal crime ever afterwards associated with Richard's name. His interest is plain. His character was ruthless. It is certain that the helpless children in the Tower were not seen again after the month of July 1483. Yet we are invited by some to believe that they languished in captivity, unnoticed and unrecorded, for another two years, only to be done to death by Henry Tudor.

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The popular demand for the release of the princes was followed by a report of their death. When, how, and by whose hand the deed had been done was not known. But as the news spread like wildfire a kind of fury seized upon many people. Although accustomed to the brutalities of the long civil wars, the English people of those days still retained the faculty of horror; and once it was excited they did not soon forget. A modern dictator with the resources of science at his disposal can easily lead the public on from day to day, destroying all persistency of thought and aim, so that memory is blurred by the multiplicity of daily news and judgment baffled by its perversion. But in the fifteenth century the murder of the two young princes by the very man who had undertaken to protect them was regarded as an atrocious crime, never to be forgotten or forgiven. In September Richard in his progress reached York, and here he created his son Prince of Wales, thus in the eyes of his enemies giving confirmation to the darkest rumours.

-- Churchill, A History of the English-Speaking Peoples.


15 posted on 12/09/2002 10:38:02 PM PST by dighton
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To: dead; Restorer; quidnunc; MadIvan; aculeus; general_re
Restorer has a good ear. It's bogus with a capital B.
The tragedy was fatal to the King. The murder of one of the foremost of God's servants, like the breaking of a feudal oath, struck at the heart of the age. All England was filled with terror. They acclaimed the dead Archbishop as a martyr; and immediately it appeared that his relics healed incurable diseases, and robes that he had worn by their mere touch relieved minor ailments. Here indeed was a crime, vast and inexpiable. When Henry heard the appalling news he was prostrated with grief and fear. All the elaborate process of law which he had sought to set on foot against this rival power was brushed aside by a brutal, bloody act; and though he had never dreamed that such a deed would be done there were his own hot words, spoken before so many witnesses, to fasten on him, for that age at least, the guilt of murder, and, still worse, sacrilege.

-- A History of the English-Speaking Peoples.


16 posted on 12/09/2002 10:47:31 PM PST by dighton
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The bogus view will be modified to make it sound more like Churchillian, then recirculated.
17 posted on 12/09/2002 10:59:22 PM PST by RLK
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To: MadIvan
Well, you're the Churchil expert. Did he say the above quote or not?
18 posted on 12/09/2002 11:21:43 PM PST by Cacique
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To: zapiks44
Was this on Barbra(sic) Streisand's website?
19 posted on 12/10/2002 1:36:38 AM PST by weegee
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If only the Pelopanesians had stayed out of the Pelapanesian War....
20 posted on 12/10/2002 1:44:28 AM PST by woofie
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