Sniper killings, hideout, clustered near old Al-Fuqra terror target!

November 4th, 2002 | Sabertooth

[Sabertooth]

On September 11th, 2002, suspected Sniper John Allen Muhammad walked into the Camden, New Jersey State Motor Vehicles office, to register the now-notorious "blue Caprice" he'd just purchased.

Though the car had not yet converted been into a rolling sniper's nest, what happened in the next several minutes leaves little doubt that Muhammad had something sinister in mind.

The registration transaction began at 8:52 am. At 8:58 am., while Muhammad was still standing at the counter, someone (now believed to be fellow suspect, Lee Malvo) phoned a bomb threat at the Motor Vehicles office on the 1st Anniversary of what we now simply call September 11th, the worst terrorist attack in history. The threat was phoned in to Camden Police one year to the very minute after the collision of the first jetliner into the World Trade Center.

John Muhammad is now known to have expressed support for the terrorists of September 11th. Since this anniversary appears to have been significant to Muhammad and Malvo, it ought to be significant to anyone pondering their motives along the trail of bloodshed on which they were about to embark.

On September 14th, the two shot and wounded their first known victim, a liquor store worker in Silver Spring, Maryland, following the purchase of the blue Caprice.

Then they went to Alabama and Louisiana, where they murdered three people before returning to the beltway area of Maryland, Virginia, and Washington DC.

On October 2nd, the apparently random murders of the DC Snipers began in earnest, with the greatest number of victims clustered in the area of Silver Spring, Maryland.

We now know that during this time, Malvo and Muhammad were occasionally hiding out at the YMCA at 9800 Hastings Drive, in Silver Spring.

Speculations as to why the snipers chose the DC area have ranged from Al Qaeda diversions, to possible connections with the Al Fuqra-related "Muslims of the Americas" compound in Red House, VA (two hours away), to an elaborate subterfuge to kill Muhammad's ex-wife, who lives about 30 miles away in Clinton Maryland, south of the Beltway.

One problem with the latter scenario is that there is no significance to the snipers' obsession with September 11th, unless they are caught. But if they are to be caught, there is no reason to shoot more than a dozen people before killing her in order to direct attention away from themselves.

So while we can't rule out murdering Muhammad's ex-wife as a possible tangential motive, we need to look elsewhere for the elements that make sense of the September 11th Anniversaries.

An examination of Islamic organizations in Silver Spring reveals a possible clue: the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, at 15000 Good Hope Road. The Ahmadiyya mosque is within ten miles of nine of Muhammad and Malvo's fifteen Beltway area victims (including the Sept. 14th shooting), as well their YMCA hideout in Silver Spring.

The Ahmadiyya sect was founded in the Pakistani Punjab in the late 19th Century. It is a breakaway sect which believes it alone practices true Islam, although it has been declared heretical by mainstream Muslims. It was banned in Pakistan in 1984, and has further distinguished itself in recent years by its willingness to condemn Islamic terror.

In the United States, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has twice been the target of assassinations by another Pakistani group, the Jamaat al Fuqra. It was Fuqra that recruited John Lindh, the American Taliban, and Richard Reid, the Shoe Bomber. Al Fuqra is also believed to be responsible for the beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

On August 8, 1983, Dr. Mozaffar Ahmad, leader of the Ahmadiyya sect, was shot to death in his home in Canton Michigan. Hours later, the Ahmadiyya mosque in nearby Detroit was firebombed. Two Fuqra members, William Cain and Calvin Jones, were found burned to death inside the mosque, along with the gun that killed Dr. Ahmad.

On January 30th, 1990, a black Muslim cleric named Rashid Khalifa was stabbed to death in his Tucson masjid. Dr. Khalifa was an imam of the Ahmadiyya Community, and federal records indicate that his assassination was carried out by a cell of al Fuqra.

Interestingly, the credit card to which Malvo and Muhammad hoped to have $10 million deposited for "world wide access" was stolen from an Arizona bus driver on March 25th of this year, while driving from Nogales to Flagstaff. The bus route traveled right through Tucson.

Al Fuqra also has a history in Washington State, where Muhammad and Malvo were living earlier this year. On June 17th, 1984, Hindu and Sikh religious institutions were bombed in Seattle by a member of Fuqra. Authorities also believe Fuqra was responsible for a triple slaying of three Hindus in a suburb of Tacoma, Washington, on August 1, 1984. This was just a little over a year before Pvt. John Muhammad (then, Williams) was stationed at Nearby Ft. Lewis, where he officially converted to Islam.

It was with this so-far unexplained series of coincidences at their backs that John Muhammad and Lee Malvo embarked on their murders on the Anniversary (to the minute) of the September 11th attacks. John Muhammad has expressed support for the terrorists of September 11th. Whatever their motives, the importance to Muhammad and Malvo of that Anniversary should not be overlooked.

That very evening, the Silver Spring chapter of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community hosted a nationally publicized, interfaith dinner and prayer service, condemning the terrorist attacks of September 11th.

Three days later, on September 14th, the man we now realize was first Beltway victim of the Snipers, Benny Oberoi, was shot and wounded by a single bullet outside the liquor store where he worked… in Silver Spring, Maryland.

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Map of sniper victim locations, from October 2nd through the snipers' capture on October 24th. Flash Interactive map of shootings Check column on right hand side of linked page.

Map of eight of the snipers' Silver Spring area victims (September 14th shooting not shown). Another map of the eight Silver Spring area sniper victims, from October 2nd on.

Silver Spring YMCA 9800 Hastings Drive, Silver Spring, MD 20901

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community 15000 Good Hope Road, Silver Spring MD 20905.

[Sabertooth]

You heard it first at Free Republic.

More Al Fuqra information here.

[Sabertooth]

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Post here to the thread if you'd like to be on or off the Sniper Muhammad ping list.

[Sabertooth]

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[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for all the great research!

[leadhead]

Big Stretch. Good Hope Road is not in Silver Spring.The first shooting now appears to have been in Clinton at a restaurant where they stole the laptop. The shooting was done with a .22 that was later found in Alabama after having been stolen in El Paso.

Too many loose facts.

[RnMomof7]

Ping Saber great research!

[Sabertooth]

Good Hope Road is not in Silver Spring.

According to the Ahmadiyya mosque, they're located at 15000 Good Hope Road, Silver Spring, MD 20905.
In any event, they're in the Silver Springs area, and all of the milages I cited are accurate.

The first shooting now appears to have been in Clinton at a restaurant where they stole the laptop.

I missed this. Got a date and a link?

[sarasmom]

I can now understand the "purge" the ancient Christian crusaders felt was needed for the survival of humanity.I used to scorn them as uneducated religious controll extremists.

I feel the urge to purge.

[Sabertooth]

Oops, I botched the link:

According to the Ahmadiyya mosque, they're located at 15000 Good Hope Road, Silver Spring, MD 20905.

[Bedford Forrest]

Outstanding job, Sabertooth!

[MissAmericanPie]

Whoa, good job. Thanks for the heads up.

[beckett]

I wonder if Clarence 13X, founder of the "Five Percenter" sect of the Nation of Islam, is known to have had any association with Al-Fuqra. Muhammad's terminology (Word is Bond; Call Me God, etc.) is said to be Five-Percenter in origin.

[samtheman]

I too have the urge to purge.

[RaceBannon]

you are the man!

[WRhine]

Good investigative work Tooth. This case intrigues me.

[Marine Inspector]

Bump and Pong.

[abner]

Bookmarked for when we get to tell them, "Sabertooth told you this months ago".

[Sabertooth]

Bookmarked for when we get to tell them, "Sabertooth told you this months ago".

Thanks, we'll see. I'm just noticing coincidences that might amount to nothing.

[semaj]

"I feel the urge to purge."

I recommend prunes.

[American in Israel]

About the best news in the article is that the Islamics are as busy killing each other off as trying to kill us.

[ladyinred]

Thanks for this post also. The more exposure the better, afterall as far as the American people know, these guys are just a GI Johnny and his stepson gone bad. Terrorists is what they really are.

[Momma Lou]

It has to be my imagination running wild, but it seems to me that the major media have stopped covering the snipers since word got out that the two are lovers. I realize that the election commands a great deal of interest, but the fact that these two are more than likely hooked up with, or maybe just influenced by, ME terrorists, and are homosexual to boot........well, I guess that does explain the disappearance act of the dynamic duo.

[sarasmom]

I prefer daisy cutters.

So much more immediate and fragrant to the discerning palate!

[Travis McGee]

Yep, urge to purge the infection.

[Victoria Delsoul]

It was with this so-far unexplained series of coincidences at their backs that John Muhammad and Lee Malvo embarked on their murders on the Anniversary (to the minute) of the September 11th attacks. John Muhammad has expressed support for the terrorists of September 11th. Whatever their motives, the importance to Muhammad and Malvo of that Anniversary should not be overlooked.

Good point, Saber. Thanks so much. Good job.

[Valin]

The Ahmadiyya sect was founded in the Pakistani Punjab in the late 19th Century. It is a breakaway sect which believes it alone practices true Islam, although it has been declared heretical by mainstream Muslims. It was banned in Pakistan in 1984, and has further distinguished itself in recent years by its willingness to condemn Islamic terror.

The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.

Ahmadiyya


(äh m d´ y) (KEY) , a contemporary messianic movement founded (1899) by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1839–1908), b. in Qadiyan in the Punjab. His Barahin-i Ahmadiyya, which he began to publish in 1880, was well received by his Islamic community. In 1889, he announced that he had received a divine revelation authorizing him to accept the baya, the allegiance of the faithful; he later also declared himself the Mahdi and the Messiah (masih) (1891), an avatar of Krishna (1904) and the manifestation (buruz) of Muhammad.

His doctrine, incorporating Indian, Sufi, Islamic, and Western elements, attempted to revitalize Islam in the face of the British raj, Protestant Christianity, and resurgent Hinduism. After his death, his followers elected Mawlana Nur ad-Din as his successor.
Nur ad-Din died in 1914, and the community split into two branches. The majority remained in Qadiyan and recognized Ghulam Ahmad as prophet (nabi). The founder’s son, Hadrat Mirza Bashir ad-Din Mahmud Ahmad (1889–1965), was chosen as caliph al-Masih II by this Qadiyani branch, known today as the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam (jamaat-i ahmadiyya).
His half-century of leadership shaped the movement, operating since 1947 out of the city of Rabwah (which they founded and gave a Qur’anically inspired name) in Pakistan and administering a network of schools and hospitals. The other branch, less willing to distinguish itself from mainstream Islam, recognized Ghulam Ahmad as a reformer (mujaddid) and established what came to be known as the ahmadiyya anjuman ishaat-i Islam movement in Lahore, Pakistan. The basic belief held by the Qadiyani community is that it is the sole embodiment of “True Islam.”

Both branches engage in energetic missionary activity in Nigeria, Kenya, Indonesia, and the Indian subcontinent. Orthodox Islam has never accepted Ghulam Ahmad’s visions, and Ahmadis in Pakistan have faced religious and political attacks to the extent that they have been declared apostate and non-Muslim by the country’s religious and political elite.
A 1984 Pakistani government decree banned the use of Islamic forms of worship by Ahmadis. The Ahmadis today number perhaps 10 million, concentrated in Pakistan, with substantial communities in India and Africa and a global proselityzing network. 1
See H. J. Fisher, Ahmadiyyah (1963); S. Lavan, The Ahmadiyyah Movement (1974); Y. Friedman, Prophecy Continuous (1989).

[Grampa Dave]

Here is one of the links to the shooting of the retaurant guy and the theft of his computer. (Link to possible earlier Muhammed Shooting in DC area)

There was another post/thread by an American newspaper with some good comments. I can't find it now.

[flamefront]

From the inquirer today:

"That laptop is real key," a senior law enforcement offi- cial told The ENQUIRER. "It's how we are going to get into their heads. "We're also looking at a mosque in Falls Church, Va., for leads to map out a net- work that may lead us right to Al Qaeda's doorstep. There's an active cell in Northern Virginia that Muhammad may well have hooked up with. And Muhammad's ties to Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam are also important." The ENQUIRER has also learned that the FBI is close- ly investigating the activities of a violent Muslim group operating in the U.S. called Jamaat ul-Fuqra. "We want to find the links between Muhammad and this group," said the official.

[Grampa Dave]

Sounds like the Enquirer has been researching the threads and replies on Free Republic al Fuqra.

They need to learn how to spell the international organization correctly, Jamatt al Fuqra, then they can do searches on Free Republic for more data.

[Squantos]

I thought I was the only one up and about this late :o)

I agree . I have seen a whole lot of noooooooze presstitutes use FR . If I see them use the word Islamakazis anywhere I'll ping ya :o)

Stay Safe

[Grampa Dave]

When the pressitutes start using Islamakazis and Islamofascists, we will know that we have won our battle with our pressitutes.

[Squantos]

LOL !! Indeed.......Stay Safe my Friend !

[Grampa Dave]

Is it amazing how the pressitutes and their masters the editors and publishers of the nation's fishwraps have pulled away from the Sniper story.

To many Politically Incorrect things that they can't spike and massage into their mantras on this runaway story. From Homosexual relations to a mass murdering Black guy is just too much for their PC state of perversion at their fishwraps.

Stay safe my friend! The world is changing in front of us, and Free Republic is helping to push that change into the "Right" Direction!

[Travis McGee]

The tabloids and Drudge forced the lamestream media to report Monica's stained blue dress, they may do the same with this story yet.

[Brownie74]

Good work. This is very interesting.

[FreedomPoster]

>If I see them use the word Islamakazis anywhere I'll ping ya

LOL! I want on that ping list.

There is no doubt in my mind that FNC follows FR closely.

[leadhead]

Yea, Sab...try this. Looks like two in Clinton where the ex-wife was

http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/crime/bal-md.sniper05nov05,0,2518165.story?coll=bal%2Dhome%2Dheadlines

[4Freedom]

BTTT!

[Grampa Dave]

Actually Drudge, the conservative internet and many conservative talk shows are stronger now than during the Monica Licking days.

Conversely, ABCNNBCBS and the Maggot infested left wing fish wraps have less audiences and subscribers than they did during the Monica Licking Days.

So the truth will get out inspite of the left wingers attempts to squash it by spiking it.

[ValerieUSA]

There are several news stories from Washington state that include more sniper info:

Police investigating D.C. sniper suspect in police station shoot-up

John Allen Muhammad: A man of many identities

Police tie pair to two crimes in Tacoma

ACCUSED SNIPER NOW PROBED IN TACOMA MURDER

[Clovis_Skeptic]

Good job Sabertooth

You're right Grampa Dave,the Inquirer reads as if they are reading freerepublic posts.

As Rush says "don't worry members of the media, we'll be right back with more show prep, in a moment" lol

[Ben Hecks]

Good research! Thanks.

[cake_crumb]

Wow, great post. Impressive detective work and deductive reasoning. If they were recruited by al Fuqre, that'd fit in perfectly with the profile I did of them before they were caught.

Your ought to publish it. It stands a considerably better chance of being right than the crackpot theories that the mainstream media is throwing at us : 5 Percent, Gulf War Syndrome, anger OVER the Gulf War, terrorizing his ex-wife - the REST of the country was just collateral terror??

Belated BUMP. (can't BELIEVE I didn't see this yesterday)

[cake_crumb]

"About the best news in the article is that the Islamics are as busy killing each other off as trying to kill us."

Yeah, but they're only killing off Muslims who're against terrorism. That is bad. We need them to kill off other terrorists in gangland turf wars like they do in the PA controlled territories and Lebanon.

[cake_crumb]

On the other hand, how does the Ahmadiyya sect fit in? None of the victims were Muslim.

[browardchad]

Pardon my skepticism, but the 9/4 shooting in Maryland is a bit strange for more than one reason. There were multiple shots -- six -- at close range, and the accounts I've read state that all six hit the restaurant owner, and yet he returned to work within two weeks.

No one in the media has questioned whether the laptop in Muhammad's possession was the one stolen from the INS office in Tacoma on June 1 or 2 of this year, but they've obviously been encouraged to jump all over the stolen restaurant owner's laptop as most probably the same one. How very convenient, if the INS doesn't want to be further embarrassed...

Sabertooth, they are also trying to link another robbery, on September 15, outside yet another liquor store in Clinton, MD, to Muhammad and Malvo. The victim, who survived is named Muhammad Rashid, and the owner's name is Harpal Bhatti (a Pakistani name). The shootings, if verified, will most probably be jumped on by CAIR, etc., as proof that there is no Islamic motivation, but OTOH, I don't believe there is any love lost on non-black Muslims by the more extremist NOI members/sects, and mainstream Arab/Asian Muslims look with disdain on what they call "Nation," declaring them to be "not Muslims." (That does not, however, prevent Saudi Arabia and other surrogates from training and using black American Imams to further the Wahhabi cause...)

Link to the 9/15 shooting story:

A 2nd Clinton shooting may link to sniper

[tracer]

Know-Your-Neighbor bump....

[Sabertooth]

On Friday, police in Montgomery County, Md., linked the pair to a Sept. 14 attack outside a Maryland beer and wine store. Store employee Rupinder Oberoi, 22, was injured in that shooting at Hillandale Beer and Wine in Silver Spring.

The shooting is the earliest documented attack in the Washington-area shooting rampage, which was thought to have begun Oct. 2. Montgomery County police spokesman Sgt. Derek Baliles said the sniper task force linked the shooting based on a "similarity of circumstances" and evidence confirming Muhammad's 1990 Chevrolet Caprice was in the Washington area Sept. 14.

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Employees at the YMCA in Silver Spring recalled seeing Muhammad and Malvo several times, starting in late August or early September.

Most recently, the pair visited the gym on Oct. 22, in the hours after bus driver Conrad Johnson was slain, and again the next day, hours before their arrests at a rest area near Frederick, Md.
LINK

Post here to the thread if you'd like to be on or off the Sniper Muhammad ping list.

[Sabertooth]

On the other hand, how does the Ahmadiyya sect fit in?

They may not. All I'm pointing out is an avenue of inquiry.

With all of the stories about the killings being clustered around his ex-wife, it seems of interest that they are clustered more nearly to the Ahmadiyya mosque, an Islamic sect that has condemned the 9/11 terrorists of whom John Allen Muhammad spoke in support.

[Grampa Dave]

The restaurant victim was shot with a 22 pistol not the 223.

If his computer was not the one in the Caprice, why is he getting such a hard time from the cops about getting back that computer or even any comments on it. If the computer was used by these murderers, the cops can say, it is being held potential evidence.