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Muhammad timeline early 1990's
various sources

Posted on 10/30/2002 3:34:14 AM PST by Future Useless Eater

John Muhammad timeline - early 1990's

In 1985, John Williams (John Muhammad) joined the Army,
and soon afterwards, converted to Islam.

In 1991, Williams was a mechanic and demolitions expert assigned
to operation Desert Storm. He possibly disagreed with the
US attacking an Islamic country, and its presence in Islamic holy land.

About Feb 21, 1991 - A few nights before the invasion of Iraq,
a Sergeant's tent was firebombed with a U.S. thermite grenade.
Williams, who worked with explosives and had been very
insubordinate was immediately suspected.
The Army's Criminal Investigation Division was notified, and
Williams was taken away in handcuffs. The Seargeant attacked was not
surprised this year, to see Muhammad accused of the sniper murders.

1993 - This appears to be the year John started using the name Muhammad
extensively
. Muhammad's 3rd child born in May 1993, unlike
his older kids, was given a very Islamic first, middle,
and last name(Muhammad). It is interesting that this daughter's first name
('Taalibah') is so close to ('Taliban' which is also sometimes spelled
'Taaliban'). Earlier children born in Jan. 1990 and Feb. 1992 were given
very American names along with the last name: Williams.

February 1994 - Muhammad left the Army under circumstances unclear.

April 19 1995
John Doe #2

from witness'es
recollection,
seen near Timothy
McVeigh shortly before
the OKC bombing
.
John Muhammad,
about 1994

I'm not claiming Muhammad definately is John Doe #2.
Just that there is a strong resemblance, and he had the expertise,
and motive to help build and/or setup this bomb.

I also have a more current Muhammad timeline of events that
suggests a motive for the sniper killings HERE.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Oklahoma; US: Virginia; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: army; desertstorm; johnmuhammad; oklahomacity; sniper; terrorism; washingtondc

1 posted on 10/30/2002 3:34:14 AM PST by Future Useless Eater
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2 posted on 10/30/2002 3:35:22 AM PST by ffrancone
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To: FL_engineer
That's the first I've heard anything about the incident in February of 91. I'm sure we'll hear more about that from other soldiers. Thanks.
3 posted on 10/30/2002 3:40:46 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
Did he have any contact with McVeigh in the army? Serve in the same area or deployed in the same unit?

If McVeigh was a (alleged) racist (Had a copy of the Turner Diaries), would he have thrown in with Muhammad against a perceived common foe?

A lot of questions...

4 posted on 10/30/2002 3:54:17 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase
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To: FL_engineer
Timothy McVeigh was a gulf war veteran.
5 posted on 10/30/2002 3:56:57 AM PST by RWG
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To: FL_engineer
...demolitions expertfire...bombed with a U.S. thermite grenade...Williams, who worked with explosives...

I am beginning to become concerned with the medias treatment of this stuff.

It appears to me as though some pure bull poop is being put out, disguised as "official" information.

Every soldier in the US Army is taught how to pull the pin on a grenade.

Every soldier in the US Army is given a demonstration on the effects of the various grenades.

I never knew a "mechanic" that would have any reason or need to be trained as a "demolitions expert", unless that person was a member of the Special Forces, the members of which are crosstrained in a variety of areas.

This so-called soldier was a mechanic. Period. Nothing wrong with being a mechanic in the US Army.

The bull **** of the matter, though, is the medias glamorization, if you will, of this bozo as a "demolitions expert".

What was his MOS? 63B? Or was it in the 12 series?

Combat Engineers are "demolition experts", but not necessarily explosive demolition experts.

They are trained to "demolish" anything, using bulldozers, cranes and if need be and haste is an issue, explosives.

So again, how does a mechanic, which is what all the media has reported that this guy was, get into a "demolition" scenario, other than changing the roller pins on a D-7 under field conditions? Perhaps his commander countenanced a "field expedient" and allowed him to blow the pins off with C4?

And the "expert" marksman crap? I would like to see his 201 file or his 219. If he had training beyond basic marksmanship, it would be through a MTU or by virtue of his being assigned to a leg unit, as a result of being an 11B.

As far as any sniper training, recruitment for training as a sniper is very selective. The emotional stability problems this ass had would have been identified in a screening long before he put the first round down range as a sniper training candidate.

The media knows nothing about how things are done in the US Army and I suspect they care less as long as they can sensationalize their reporting, and garner more and more gullible readers.

This Muhammed dumbass was just that, a dumbass; no one should get the impression that he is what he was as a result of the training provided by the US Army.

To even hint that he was able to do as he did, because of his training is wrong.

It would be more correct to say he did it in spite of his training.

Bottom line thus: He is/was a sorry piece of human excrement who obviously couldn't make it in the military environment and was summarily eliminated from it. The press is attempting to make it look as though he was a sterling example of the training of our armed forces.

6 posted on 10/30/2002 5:33:59 AM PST by OldSmaj
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To: FL_engineer
...In 2000, Mildred Williams was granted a restraining order against her husband. She wrote in the application: "I am afraid of John. He is a demolitions expert." ... www.afsoc.af.mil/panews/suspect_army_marksman.htm


Descent into Evil (John Muhammad suspected of attack on US troops during Gulf War)
"...[John Muhammad] Williams’s unit was sent to Operation Desert Storm to clear mines and bulldoze holes in enemy lines. A few nights before the invasion of Iraq, Sergeant Berentson awoke in the early hours to find his tent, with 16 sleeping men inside, on fire....
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7 posted on 10/30/2002 6:01:08 AM PST by Future Useless Eater
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