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Mom in Videotaped Beating Expected to Plead Innocent
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Posted on 09/23/2002 7:07:37 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

TINLEY PARK, Ill. A woman caught on videotape beating her child in a department store parking lot was expected to plead innocent at her arraignment Monday morning in Indiana.

Madelyne Gorman Toogood, 25, was charged with felony battery to a child, which carries a maximum penalty of three years in prison. She surrendered to police Saturday.


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KEYWORDS: childabuse; toogood; traveler; travelers; videotape
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A search did not produce this update of the story. Hope this post isn't a duplicate. There seems to be more information given about the incident here. BTW, the words in the thread title saying "plead innocent" are theirs, not mine.
1 posted on 09/23/2002 7:07:37 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
I saw part of hre news conference. she was slobbering and blubbering. I question her mental stability.
2 posted on 09/23/2002 7:09:34 AM PDT by camle
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To: Tired of Taxes
Toogood, who said she is an Irish traveler

is that similar to an Irish Setter?

3 posted on 09/23/2002 7:11:16 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: Tired of Taxes

Gypsy. Tramp. Theif.

I feel a song coming on. <|:/~

4 posted on 09/23/2002 7:11:59 AM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: Tired of Taxes
Toogood told reporters Sunday she hit her 4-year-old daughter, Martha, in the head and back and pulled her hair -- but did not punch her.

Oh, no big deal then.

5 posted on 09/23/2002 7:12:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: martin_fierro
Theif=Thief
6 posted on 09/23/2002 7:12:25 AM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: ghost of nixon
Not quite. Some details on this sinister group responsible for many depredations in now disarmed England and a great deal of gypsy scam actions here.

Breakthrough in child beating case

Updated: 2002-09-20 17:32:27-05

http://216.239.35.100/search?q=cache:ZxVaBDsbxTAJ:www.wndu.com/news/092002/news_16249.php+%22irish+travelers%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8



Police continue to look for more information that will lead them to a mother seen on a security camera tape beating a young girl in the Mishawaka Kohl's parking lot. It's video that is quite disturbing but it's being shown nationwide in hopes of gaining more information.

Breakthrough in case

Madelyne's sister, 30-year-old Margaret Daley, seen exiting Kohl's with Madelyne, was arrested on Monday at an apartment complex off of Douglas in Mishawaka. She was arrested for failure to cooperate with police. She is now in police custody in the St. Joseph County Jail charged with failure to report child abuse, a misdemeanor. If convicted, she could face up to six months in jail.

Madelyne Gorman/Madelyne Toogood
On Thursday, police released a picture of the woman on the tape. Her name is Madelyne Gorman. She also goes by Madelyne Toogood. She's seen on the tape taken a week ago in the parking lot of the Kohl's department store. As the child got into the car, the woman looked around and then began beating her. Police think the girl, whose name is Martha Toogood, is only 4 or 5 years old.

Irish Travelers
Assistant prosecutor Maggie Jones believes the suspect is part of a group known as the Irish Travelers. The group is known for traveling the country looking for seasonal work. This is why authorities fear the suspect may flee from the Michiana area. Police have received tips from residents in the Main Street Village Apartments in Mishawaka. Police believe Madelyne may have lived there. She was not on any lease but the owner believes she was living here for several weeks. Residents there suspect members of the Irish Travelers moved into Main Street Village Apartments. Since the video aired, no one has seen her around.

The owner of the Elkhart Campground said he recently saw Madelyne. She was visiting her grandmother, who has stayed at the campground for the past 10-15 summers.

Car registered in Texas
Newscenter 16 has learned that the car in the video, a Toyota Sequoia, was registered to an address in the Fort Worth, Texas area. There is a large concentration of Irish travelers in White Settlement, a suburb of Fort Worth.

Outstanding warrants
Madelyne Gorman has two outstanding warrants in her name in Texas. One warrant is for theft; the other is for driving without a license. The theft warrant was issued in April. At that time Madelyne told police she lived at an address on Bristol Street in Elkhart. If Madelyne is caught, she could face battery charges for the Kohl's parking lot incident. That is a class D felony that could carry a year and a half sentence.

Call if you have any information
Police are still asking for the publics help in trying to track her down. Police have received numerous tips from concerned residents in our area about this case. If you have any information in the case call Mishawaka police at 258-1684 or email them at Police@Mishawakacity.com.

7 posted on 09/23/2002 7:14:09 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: dighton; aculeus; general_re
Toogood told reporters Sunday she hit her 4-year-old daughter, Martha, in the head and back and pulled her hair -- but did not punch her.


I hit them in the head, but I didn't punch them.

8 posted on 09/23/2002 7:16:00 AM PDT by Orual
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To: Orual
"She didn't want to nail my head to the floor. I had to insist".
9 posted on 09/23/2002 7:17:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: camle

Toogood with her lawyer (from the firm, "1-800-WILLSUE4FOOD")

10 posted on 09/23/2002 7:17:48 AM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: martin_fierro
"with felony battery to a child, which carries a maximum penalty of three years in prison"

Anybody else think that this penalty is a little on the weak side?

11 posted on 09/23/2002 7:24:18 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: Tired of Taxes; camle; martin_fierro; robowombat; Orual
An excellent read that you need to keep.

"Regarding non-Gypsy law, They are obeyed but they are not complied with. Gypsies never fight against constituted authority; they simply agree to do what they are told to do, pretend to accept the assumptions of the stronger party and then, in their time-honored way, they keep on doing what they have always done."

12 posted on 09/23/2002 7:25:04 AM PDT by ofMagog
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To: AppyPappy; Orual; dighton; aculeus
Saw the video for the first time yesterday. If you squint really hard, you can tell that the little girl is repeatedly and viciously ramming her head into her mother's closed fist....
13 posted on 09/23/2002 7:25:11 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Tired of Taxes
Dammit, when are you people going to get this straight. We don't know that mother beat her child. OK, there was the terrible video, and then the confessions from the mother, the father and the lawyer...but what do we really know? I'd like to get this cleared up as soon as possible, because it is taking time away from my investigation of whether Mike Tyson is really the ear biter everyone accuses him of being.
14 posted on 09/23/2002 7:26:05 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Tired of Taxes
Well TOOBAD for Toogood.....Hope they never give her child back....
15 posted on 09/23/2002 7:46:33 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Rokke
Rosen, her attorney, said he believed the hitting took place because Martha misbehaved in the store, taking toys out of packages and wandering away, prompting store employees to page Toogood twice.

What kind of mother allows her four year old to wander away not once, but twice, in a department store? The child wandered far enough both times to have to have the store page the mother.

16 posted on 09/23/2002 7:47:07 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Rokke
there was the terrible video, and then the confessions from the mother, the father and the lawyer...

Exactly, and don't be fooled.

Just because the prosecutor claims that the girl shows no injuries it does not mean that she was not savagely beaten and she doesn't have injuries and scars she will live with for most of the rest of her probably short, unhappy life.

Don't be fooled people! Her mother is a Gypsy and a monster. I suggest that you somehow find where she is at this time and 'do something' about it. Remember - it's for the children.

If you don't know what to do, take a hint from Judge Heraldo. He calmly evaluated the situation and now suggests that the mother must have her hands broken. He reports... you carry the sentence.

17 posted on 09/23/2002 7:54:55 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: alnick
What kind of mother allows her four year old to wander away not once, but twice, in a department store? The child wandered far enough both times to have to have the store page the mother.

Absolutely. Only a Gypsy mother would behave that way.

She must have ALL her kids taken away and given to various lesbian loving families so that they can heal.

18 posted on 09/23/2002 7:56:30 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: ofMagog
"Regarding non-Gypsy law, They are obeyed but they are not complied with. Gypsies never fight against constituted authority; they simply agree to do what they are told to do, pretend to accept the assumptions of the stronger party and then, in their time-honored way, they keep on doing what they have always done."

In other words, they cynically pay lip service to following the law.

Sound like anyone else we know?

19 posted on 09/23/2002 7:57:27 AM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: martin_fierro
Gee, I wonder if she scammed that sweater for him.
20 posted on 09/23/2002 7:59:19 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Tired of Taxes
Just more evidence to back up my theory that women with hypenated or mulitple last names can not be trusted.
21 posted on 09/23/2002 8:01:07 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Tired of Taxes
And I submit Hillary Rodham Clinton as my supreme example.
22 posted on 09/23/2002 8:01:30 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: martin_fierro
What happened to her blond hair?
23 posted on 09/23/2002 8:02:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Tired of Taxes
"I was thinking, I look like a monster," Toogood said, crying.

No, you did not look like a monster. You ARE monster.

24 posted on 09/23/2002 8:02:17 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
She probably shoplifted a bottle of Loreal somewhere. She probably thinks she's worth it.
25 posted on 09/23/2002 8:03:44 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: martin_fierro
Note that Toogood's lawyer will be a traveler also. Most likely related by marriage.
26 posted on 09/23/2002 8:04:57 AM PDT by Deguello
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To: Tired of Taxes
Rosen, her attorney, said he believed the hitting took place because Martha misbehaved in the store, taking toys out of packages and wandering away

Spend your life stealing and staying in no place long enough to set roots and then beat your child for emulating it. Brilliant thesis.

27 posted on 09/23/2002 8:05:09 AM PDT by riley1992
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
Lesbians???? If you say so.
28 posted on 09/23/2002 8:08:30 AM PDT by alnick
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To: cincinnati65
When I grew up, my mother used a switch, my father used a belt, my elementary school principal used a razor strap, my high school P.E. teacher used a wooden paddle with holes drilled in it. Oh well, I guess they all deserved life terms for child abuse.
29 posted on 09/23/2002 8:10:19 AM PDT by AmusedBystander
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To: AmusedBystander
When I grew up, my mother used a switch, my father used a belt, my elementary school principal used a razor strap, my high school P.E. teacher used a wooden paddle with holes drilled in it. Oh well, I guess they all deserved life terms for child abuse.

I was reading this and thinking the same thing.. Personally I used a fly swatter..

I'm not making excuses for this woman but this tape does is not very good evidence. It leaves too much to the imagination. I didn't see anything that looked like hair pulling or punching. A few too many slaps maybe. If they would have been punches this little girl would have had some severe damage.

This is the same group of people who are so upset about security cameras who are ready to take this little girl away from her mom. Maybe she needs some anger management therapy or something but I have to see and hear a lot more before I would call for taking the child away. I don't think this is a very good video to come to those conclusions unless you have a very active imagination.

But then again, I came from a generation where if you swore or sassed ( as they called it) to your mom you wore her hand print on the side of your face for the next couple hours in the form of a welt.. But you never did it again.

30 posted on 09/23/2002 9:27:10 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: Texas Mom
>>I didn't see anything that looked like hair pulling or punching.<<

If you have not seen the part where the woman puts the child in a car seat, then drwas back her fist and hits the child repeatedly, you have not seen the entire tape. I don't know why the media doesn't show that every time, but I know for a fact they don't.

Why not???

31 posted on 09/23/2002 10:05:31 AM PDT by SerpentDove
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To: Texas Mom
This is the same group of people who are so upset about security cameras who are ready to take this little girl away from her mom.

Actually, the anti-security camera crowd are the ones who are defending the mother. They seem to think that the only outrageous thing about that video is that a department store has a security camera.

The woman admitted to hitting the child and pulling the child's hair. You may not have seen the segment of the tape where the woman closes her fist and proceeds to throw her closed fist about four times in the vicinity of the child's head. For some reason, that section is usually not shown. They have been ending the video right before that section for the past couple of days.

Now, if the woman admits that she hit the child and pulled the child's hair and if the video shows her throwing her fist in the vicinity of the child's head, what are the odds that she was doing anything but punching the child?

The sister-in-law said that the woman was only adjusting the car seat. That was before the mother confessed. The mother, by the way, said, "I looked like a monster."

I am the first one to correct someone who claims that any form of corporal punishment constitutes beating a child. There is definitely a difference between a spanking and a beating. This child received a beating.

32 posted on 09/23/2002 10:21:48 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Tired of Taxes
Rosen, her attorney, said he believed the hitting took place because Martha misbehaved in the store, taking toys out of packages and wandering away, prompting store employees to page Toogood twice.

This prompts two thoughts:

(1) The little girl has already been taught how to shoplift -- "Taking toys out of packages and wandering away"... and

(2) the mom was probably trying to remove tags so she could claim a cash refund on merchandise without a receipt, and that's why she ignored the girl while in the store.

33 posted on 09/23/2002 11:32:48 AM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: ghost of nixon
is that similar to an Irish Setter?

Actually she seems to be an Irish Hitter.

34 posted on 09/23/2002 11:34:16 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Tired of Taxes
"I can't believe I did that to my little 4-year-old girl."

BS!!!! This was not an act of a first-timer. There's a history of this stuff in her, I guarantee it.

35 posted on 09/23/2002 11:38:29 AM PDT by al_c
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To: Rokke; A Vast RightWing Conspirator
OK, there was the terrible video, and then the confessions from the mother, the father and the lawyer...but what do we really know?

We know that only the video was really necessary to become Osama bin Whorealdo and start the stoning. Long before the confessions there were dozens of FReepers who knew she was beaten to a pulp her neck was broken and her internal injuries would undoubtedly be fatal. It's so unfortunate that several days passed and she recovered. Osama bin Whorealdo oughta punch out that lyin' prosecutor for saying "she looks fine". What kind of prosecutor confesses something like that?

36 posted on 09/23/2002 7:05:28 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: alnick; Texas Mom
Actually, the anti-security camera crowd are the ones who are defending the mother.

Can you cut and paste one single post that defends the mother or her actions? I think you're a liar. Show us where anyone has defended her. Or shut up!

37 posted on 09/23/2002 7:18:13 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/754747/replies?comment=5#5
38 posted on 09/23/2002 7:37:03 PM PDT by alnick
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To: TigersEye
And one example from one of your posts:

"You want a pound of her flesh? You want justice?You lame bunch of statist sycophantic pricks!!!

Maybe this lady hit her kid. (no one here knows)

Maybe her kid pushes all the right buttons and does it for fun. (no one here knows)

Maybe this child needs a new home and mom needs a serious time-out, with help.
(NO ONE HERE KNOWS)

The only thing that can be said for certain about this story is that 30 seconds of surveillance video can get every loser in America to scream for Barrabas' release and demand to be put on the nailing crew.

There's a story here alright. Not about what this woman did or didn't do."


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/754747/posts?page=159#159

39 posted on 09/23/2002 7:44:23 PM PDT by alnick
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To: alnick
The post you linked to has no defense of the mother or her actions whatsoever.
Put up or shut up!

And then there is this which does validate what was said in that post.

A doctor examined the girl and found no medical problems and no long-term signs of abuse, authorities said.

40 posted on 09/23/2002 7:48:40 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: alnick
That's right I did post that. And there is no defense of Toogood or child abuse in it. Is there?
41 posted on 09/23/2002 7:53:55 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye
Look, I'm going to answer your question and then I'm going to wash my hands of you.

You asked if there was any defense of the mother in your post.

You said, "Maybe her kid pushes all the right buttons and does it for fun. (no one here knows)."

That implies that the child could have been asking for the beating, which would then justify the beating. There's not a thing in the world that the child could have done that would have justified that.

42 posted on 09/23/2002 8:10:37 PM PDT by alnick
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To: alnick
If you cut my post in half and take that one statement to be the gist of it I guess you are right. In context it is obviously not what I was ranting about. It was not my intent to defend Toogood. Here is the point I was making that you left out.

There's a story here alright. Not about what this woman did or didn't do. There's a political story about what the government and the media can and will do to a person if given half a chance. It raises some interesting questions like why, how far can they go and who's next? And for what? But it's a whole lot easier to forget all that and let the media and the government dance you around like puppets. It's always fun to be part of something.

What Toogood did has no justification. Everyone was certain that the child was beaten to a pulp and they were screaming for the womans head on a pike. The media whipped that frenzy up and it now turns out that I was right. The video did not prove that she beat the child senseless. The prosecutor and now a doctor have confirmed that not to be the case.

You can "wash your hands of me", which in other words means "you are walking away from your own big talk" but you still haven't shown one post from ANYONE that defends Toogood or her actions. I am tired of people twisting my words. Put up or shut up!

43 posted on 09/23/2002 8:55:06 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: alnick
I believe you referenced on of my posts, implying that I 'defended' "the mother's actions".

Far from that, I was only evaluating those commenting on her actions at FR and confronting them with some facts. I was also making some prediction which, guess what, turned out to be true.

I bet you people are absolutely devastated and disappointed to hear that the little girl is absolutely intact. You spent a lot of time at FR sharing fantasies dealing with the girl's broken bones and psyche. Now you're left with talking about gypsies and pouring your scorn and the woman's lawyer who doesn't look as expensive as he should.

I hope you will learn a lesson from this 'incident' but I seriously doubt it.

Take a look again at my post and tell me where I was wrong. It turns out that everything below is true:
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You wanna bet the girl has no cuts or bruises?

I love it when millions of people with nothing more significant in their own lives make correcting other people's lives their #1 business. Yet another sign of a sick society getting sicker.

Of course, the worst possible thing you can do to that little girl is to use the gov't brute force and separate her from her natural mother who. I bet, she cares a lot more about her daughter than a million of empty-headed bleeding-heart stupids out there.

It's probably elemnts of the same bizarre crowd who cared so deeply about separating Elian Gonzales from his only surviving father.


44 posted on 09/24/2002 5:26:15 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
I bet you people are absolutely devastated and disappointed to hear that the little girl is absolutely intact.

It was quite noticeable to my wife, .30Carbine, and myself that out of all the people so filled with 'moral outrage' at this 'monstrous attack' not one has expressed thanks or relief that the little girl has been found to be alive, safe and not severely injured. I guess they are waiting for the media to suggest it.

...and pouring your scorn and the woman's lawyer who doesn't look as expensive as he should.

That's probably my fault. I suggested it here "Put her face on every website and every milk carton in the land and let's have Geraldo and O'Reilly get her lawyer on the air and call him some nasty names too." before he was introduced to the public.

I misjudged Jeraldo. Instead of a nasty interview with the lawyer he just came out touting the Taliban cure. Doggone me! I went and suggested that too.

"She used her hands to hit the kid so why not just whack 'em off?"

I've got to stop giving these people ideas. Next thing you know someone will take bvw's post seriously. Oh wait! Someone did.

The media has accomplished its task for its leftist masters. The American public is now focused on social advocacy issues, like Dashole and co. wanted. Iraq is off the radar. The war on terrorism is old news. One of my wifes co-workers asked her yesterday "What is it about Iraq anyway? Why are we so mad at Saddam Hussein?" They work in the Post Office so you would think the events of last year would have stuck with her/him a little longer.

45 posted on 09/24/2002 6:41:42 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: bvw
I brought you up in my last post so in fairness I ought to ping you over here.
46 posted on 09/24/2002 6:45:53 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye
I was told that O'Reilley actually showed some concern about the gov't turning a bad thing into something worse by separating the girl from her family by force.

I don't watch O'Reilley but the source is credible.

47 posted on 09/24/2002 6:57:29 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
My sincere apologies to Mr. Bill O'Reilley. He is definitely not as easy to predict as Hoorah-ldo bin Thinkin'Again. O'Reilly's a nutcase. A lovable nutcase.

When he has a liberal backed into a corner and snaps at them like a bulldog every time they try to spin he's great. I'm sure liberals love him when he trys to do that with a conservative. Too bad for them that conservatives don't give O'Reilly as much material to work with.

48 posted on 09/24/2002 7:24:16 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye
The media has accomplished its task for its leftist masters.

The following is now being reported on the Fox News website:

A doctor examined the girl at Toogood's request in Bay Head, N.J., before she turned herself in over the weekend, authorities said. They said the physician, Dr. Jack Haberman, found no medical problems and no long-term signs of abuse.
Toogood decided to take pictures of her daughter without clothes on "as documentation of their contention that she had not been abused," said Kenneth W. Keller, a Monmouth County, N.J., prosecutor.
Haberman had the film developed at a pharmacy, where workers alerted police about possible child pornography, Keller said. The prosecutor said those fears were probably unwarranted but an investigation was continuing.

Unreal! This proves that the govt. bureaucrats will stop at NOTHING when they set out to destroy an individual. I also hear that the IRS is going after the Toogood family finances now. IRS needs it's pound of flesh also.

49 posted on 09/24/2002 7:26:51 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: TigersEye
Link to the latest story.
50 posted on 09/24/2002 7:29:07 AM PDT by southern rock
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