American-Born Muslims And The Lessons Of The Lackawanna, NY Terrorist Cell

toogoodreports.com ^ | September 16, 2002 | Alan Caruba

[willyone]

We are nothing more than a giant Wal Mart to our so called leaders. They do not give a poop about the long term well being of the US. There was absolute glee in Cali. when whites became a minority two years ago. Take a look at what is going on in Zimbabwe to get a clue about what awaits us.

[who knows what evil?]

If they were in the majority in this country, all our rights and freedoms would be right out the window.

That day will come, and we will submit, or die. (Actually, we'll be dead, but our children will pay the price.)

[exmarine]

I never said such a justification existed. I said people have murdered and killed in the name of Christianity. And as a matter of fact, they have done so for more centuries than not. If you're being murdered, it doesn't help if your killer has his theology wrong. Religions are embodied in people, institutions like churches, and governments. If the people running things are evil, the words mean nothing.

You still need to explain how people can be evil if the "idea" of evil doesn't exist.

You ignore the difference between the people who kill in the name of Christianity (which is against the teachings of Christ), and those who kill for Islam (perfectly in line with the teachings of Mohammed and the Koran).

[js1138]

You ignore the difference between the people who kill in the name of Christianity (which is against the teachings of Christ), and those who kill for Islam (perfectly in line with the teachings of Mohammed and the Koran).

I do not ignore the difference. But the majority of people in the world -- Christian, Jew, Muslim, whatever, have never killed anyone. People who enjoy killing will find a justification in their religion. This is a historic fact. It seems to be easier in Islam because church and state are the same, and because Muslims believe it is their duty to convert the world.

But to an individual who is being forcably converted, it makes no difference whether the force is justified by some abstract idea in a book.

[VOA]

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[null and void]

It´s fair to say that most Americans were shocked to learn that five American-born Muslims were arrested in Lackawanna, New York, accused of aiding and abetting al Qaeda.

Nope, not surprised one little bit.

Ditto.

It was an American born Møøse Limb who complained when I put a Flag in my cubicle, 9/12/01...

[TracyPA]

The Muslims living here are so different from the immigrants that came to this country in the early 1900's. They were very proud to become American citizens. Now I read this in my morning newspaper-An eighth-grader from a Maryland Muslim school said, "Being an American means nothing to me. I'm not even proud of telling my cousins in Pakistan that I'm American." Where did he get such an attitude? We had better keep a sharp eye on what is being taught in Muslim schools in this country.

[exmarine]

And evil comes from.....where?

[exmarine]

People who enjoy killing will find a justification in their religion. This is a historic fact.

People kill for all sorts of reasons. But they also commit adultery for all sorts of reasons, lie for all sorts of reasons, steal for all sorts of reasons, etc. etc. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. It boils down to the fact that people are sinful and fallen beings in need of a Savior. Even you are in that category friend. Isn't it true you have broken the 10 commandments in your lifetime? Have you ever lied - even once? The bible says if you offend in one point of the law, you are guilty of all. Without a Savior, you or I will surely be judged for our actions and will spend eternity separated from God in hell.

[js1138]

I really don't know what this "argument" is about. I haven't denied any of your points and you haven't contradicted any of my statements. The only reason I keep poating is to ask you to read what I have written.

I'm sure you are correct about the teachings of Jesus, but that hasn't prevented Christianity, as embodied in the Church, from committing murder, and in fact doing so for centuries at a time.

[exmarine]

I'm sure you are correct about the teachings of Jesus, but that hasn't prevented Christianity, as embodied in the Church, from committing murder, and in fact doing so for centuries at a time.

It's not Christianity that has done it. It is people who "claim" to be Christians. I can claim to be a poached egg - does that make it true?

[js1138]

It's not Christianity that has done it. It is people who "claim" to be Christians. I can claim to be a poached egg - does that make it true?

I dunno. At a time when church and state were the same, how could you tell?

[exmarine]

I dunno. At a time when church and state were the same, how could you tell?

I have already exhaustively explained how you tell. Weren't you reading?