On the Importance of Jihad as a Means of Destroying the 'Infidel Countries'

An Al-Qa'ida-Affiliated Online Magazine - MEMRI ^ | 8-2-2 | Al-Ansar, which is affiliated with Al-Qa'ida,(1) a columnist identified as Seif Al-Din Al-Ansari

[vannrox]

Special Dispatch Series - No. 418
September 04, 2002	No.418
An Al-Qa'ida-Affiliated Online Magazine: On the Importance of Jihad as a Means of Destroying the 'Infidel Countries' In an article in the sixteenth issue of the online magazine Al-Ansar, which is affiliated with Al-Qa'ida,(1) a columnist identified as Seif Al-Din Al-Ansari discussed the Koranic verse "Allah Will Torture Them [the Infidels] At Your Hands": The Annihilation of the Infidels is a Divine Decree "Regardless of the norms of 'humanist' belief, which sees destroying the infidel countries as a tragedy requiring us to show some conscientious empathy and... an atmosphere of sadness for the loss that is to be caused to human civilization - an approach that does not distinguish between believer and infidel... - I would like to stress that annihilating the infidels is an inarguable fact, as this is the [divine] decree of fate..." "When the Koran places these tortures [to be inflicted on the infidels] in the solid framework of reward and punishment... it seeks to root this predestined fact in the consciousness of the Muslim group, asserting that the infidels will be annihilated, so as to open a window of hope to the Muslim group..." "Nevertheless, [this divine decree] has become, for some, a tranquilizing pill... When the enemy launches operations of colonialism and destruction, we find that a few [of the Muslims] refrain from entering the battlefield claiming that the elements of the collapse of Western civilization are proliferating [in any event]." "Their conclusion is indeed true, but the way in which it is presented is misleading, and it is aimed at removing responsibility [to fight the infidels] from the Muslim, with the claim that Allah has already promised to take care of the infidels' annihilation." Muslims Must Not Wait Passively for the Divine Decree to Just Happen "...I would like to point out the danger of this analysis, because it... [may] make the Muslims passive and turn [them] into one who does not act to carry out [the commandments] of the religion or to dispel falsehood, but lives always in an atmosphere of passive waiting, that is cloaked - always - by a call to trust in the ability of Allah!!" "When Allah told us of the certainty of the annihilation of the infidels, He did not do so using ambiguous concepts. He clarified that this would be achieved in one of two ways: by means of a direct act of Allah... or by means of the Muslim group, which would, in accordance with the Islamic commandment, serve as an implement for carrying out [the divine decree], as it is said: '...Allah will torture them [the infidels] Himself or at our hands (Koran 9:52).'" "Yes, perhaps it is predetermined that the infidel country will be annihilated. But [if the believers do not act] this kind of annihilation will never be in favor of the Islamic state. The infidel country will be annihilated in favor of an infidel country like it or even worse than it..." "Therefore, the belief in 'annihilating the country of heresy' [only] opens up for us a window of hope, and sets for us a goal that is in the realm of the possible - but it does not annihilate the infidel country for us, nor does it even affect it!!" "This is merely a belief, which, if unaccompanied by the words 'at your hands' that appear in the Koranic verse [9:14, 'Fight them and Allah will torture them at your hands'] - it will remain in the wonderful realm of ideas that float in the theoretical universe, and is like beautiful dreams that arouse conscientious emotions - yet, when we awake, we find that the infidel country still exists, falsehood is not destroyed [by itself] in favor of the truth, [except when] the truth goes into action..." "The importance of the human effort to annihilate the infidels... is what Allah sought to teach the Muslims at the Battle of Uhud [625]. Then, there were [Muslims] who thought that because they were right they would most certainly defeat the enemy. The [Muslims] paid a high price for this..." "By Means of Jihad - Allah Tortures [the Infidels] with Killing" "The question now on the agenda is, how is the torture Allah wants done at our hands to be carried out?... This torture will not, in any way, be carried out by means of preaching [Da'wa], because preaching is activity of exposure, aimed at clarifying the truth in a way that makes it more easily acceptable. Preaching has nothing to do with torture; Jihad is the way of torturing [the infidels] at our hands." "By means of Jihad, Allah tortures them with killing; by means of Jihad, Allah tortures them with injury; by means of Jihad, Allah tortures them with loss of property; by means of Jihad, Allah tortures them with loss of ruling. Allah tortures them by means of Jihad - that is, with heated war that draws its fire from the military front..." "The Tortures Will Bring the Infidels to the Path of Righteousness" "Material power is [to be] confronted with material power, and ideological power is [to be] confronted with ideological power... It would be idiocy to rely on the power of the truth in the face of F-16s. Allah is capable of destroying His enemy without anyone's mediation and without anyone's help, as His capability is absolute and unsurpassed. In spite of all the characteristics of power at their command, these infidel states are no more than a handful of creatures on the speck of dust called Planet Earth... [But] Jihad serves as a trial by suffering for the Muslims by means of the infidels, and for the infidels by means of the Muslims." "The Muslims' trial by suffering is manifested in Jihad's being the instrument by which it is possible to differentiate between the believers and the hypocrites... The infidels' trial by suffering is manifested in Jihad being an exemplary lesson in values, delivered by a group of the pioneers of the Islamic nation, in a practical presentation" "Many of the infidels will be shocked; their emotional entity will be shaken; and perhaps some of them will repent and learn their lesson. In addition, Jihad is a means of defeating them, and perhaps by means of this victory... the tortures will bring them back to the path of righteousness..." Endnotes: (1) Al-Ansar, No. 16, August 24, 2002, www.jehad.net. See MEMRI dispatches: No. 353: http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP35302 No. 344: http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP34402

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[vannrox]

MEM-RI is a great source of information.

Am I incorrect in thinking that aside from wanting to attack and battle, the writer also approves of torture?

[RISU]

Don't you just hate this religious intolerance thingy?

Such a bore.

[RISU]

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[claptrap]

But President Bush insists that "Islam is a religion of peace" is Bush wrong or is he a liar or is he so freaking stupid and has his head so far up the Saudi Princes rear
he needs some fresh air?

[1bigdictator]

Up till now I thought I was the only Freeper to regularly check MEMRI... it is a great source to expose the misinformation and propaganda being published in Muslim countries... nice find.

[scooter2]

While the Muslims are crying "Death to the Infidels", we should be crying "Death to Muslims". Islam is the only religion on the face of the earth that teaches its followers to kill those that won't join thier ranks.

[1bigdictator]

There may be some confusion here. The Middle East Media Research Institute is a rather conservative western think-tank. It scours the state controlled Islamic media outlets, then translates and publishes the articles to expose the propiganda, not to disseminate it.

[crystalk]

The only Muslims or Christians who imagine that anything other than bloody war to the death against their foes, is fated between these two systems, each with its own god, are those who don't know their own system, or its history.

May God speedily undo the Muslims in our own times, may those most heathen citadels in Mecca, Medina, and upon God's holy Temple Mount in his holy city Jerusalem, all fall and be brought to dust in our days is my prayer.

[hang 'em]

I wonder if allah will be suprised when we nuke mecca.

[JohnathanRGalt]

Ooops, duplicate post.

You can see other discussion of this great MEMRI article here.

I wish the FreeRepublic forum software would automatically detect duplicate posts. I have posted duplicates myself even after doing a search on the title.

[RISU]

When you disseminate crap, you promote crap.

[Pern]

Islam is the only religion on the face of the earth that teaches its followers to kill those that won't join thier ranks.

Yep, any religion that teaches hate should be eradicated from the face of the earth. I was raised as a Roman Catholic, and I can't remember once when a priest or nun said that death should come to Muslums.

[Mohammed El-Shahawi]

This is completely wrong. Jihad doesn't mean that at all. Jihad means "personal struggle". Everyone, you and I, have our personal struggles every day. Bringing up a daughter is a personal struggle. Ha ha. As you can tell, I'm just a sweet Muslim who loves peace.

Psst: Abdul, keep telling them this crap about Jihad - especially mention the daughter bit. They all believe it!

[MEGoody]

I suspect that a great number of Muslims don't understand this treatise for the most part. They DO know the words jihad, kill and torture - and that's all they think they need to know.

[MoGalahad]

I don't think President Busch is either stupid or a liar; he is simply practicing the same politically correct expendiency that permeates the Western world. Anyone with a lick of sense knows that the Muslims have declared war on the rest of the world; Hindus, Jews, Christians, atheists, Buddhists, etc. If you are not Muslim, you will be killed, maimed, or enslaved. The witness of history and current events refutes the premise that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance and the silence from the so called 'moderates' is deafening. As some of my ancestors would have said; "the Muslims speak with forked tongues".

[1bigdictator]

I know it's not easy to have confidence in the intelligence of liberals, but what better way can you prove to them that Islam is a dangerous threat other than exposing what the Muslims say amongst a captive audience when the world isn't listening.

Moreover, Limbaugh utilizes this technique to deconstruct liberal dogma-- dissemination can expose fools and hidden agendas, even at the risk liberal dolts will be influenced by this propaganda.

[Aric2000]

The main problem with a lot of what you people are saying is that Islam has many different adherents, and many different sects.

Christianity was just as destructive as Fundamentalist Islam is now, and some Christian sects are still as destructive.

Just as the brutality in the old testament is no longer practiced in Christian countries, most Muslims do NOT believe in Jihad. Those that are uneducated, ignorant and have less then others are the perfect victims for fundamentalist to get hold of and pervert.

My basic point of this post is for those Christians out there that call for all out war on Islam, NO, you want to declare war on FUNDAMENTALIST Islam, there is a huge difference. You should not throw stones, when you live in a glass house.

[Digger]

("When peaceful revolution is impossible, violent revolution is inevitable" -- Robert Kennedy). Me thinks we must remove 95% of our congress & take this protection issue to our advantage & safety. We must close the borders & remove the Islamic threat from this nation. These civil servants are ready for an election. Put them on notice that w/o a resolution from them on these issues done in writing that you will not support them. We need a FReep to all of these civil servants.

[JennysCool]

Um...President Busch?

[LiteKeeper]

bump

[monday]

"When you disseminate crap, you promote crap."

I guess you would prefer not to know what the enemy is writing about? Sticking your head in the sand my be your style but some of us would like to know whats going on and MEMRI helps.

[monday]

"Just as the brutality in the old testament is no longer practiced in Christian countries, most Muslims do NOT believe in Jihad. "

This is what we have been told repeatedly but the argument begains to wear thin after countless man on the street interviews with Muslims reveal that while they may not agree with the radicals methods, they will close ranks behind him and defend to the death a fellow muslim no matter what his crime as long as his conflict is with the infidels.

If you believe otherwise its time you woke up. Moderate Muslims will never condemn their more radical brethern to the Western world. Turning on a fellow Muslim is simply NOT DONE.

[Aric2000]

Don't know who you have been talking to, but many of my muslim freinds have done just that, and have said it strongly and proudly!!! The jihadists and fundamentalist muslims are WRONG!!!

[jackliberty]

Christianity was just as destructive as Fundamentalist Islam is now, and some Christian sects are still as destructive.
Just as the brutality in the old testament is no longer practiced in Christian countries...

I'm neither a religious scholar nor a historian. Could you please fill me in on which "Christian sects" are still as destructive as Fundamentalist Islam? Could you please fill me in on which Christian countries are mentioned in the Old Testament?

Every act of violence mentioned in the Old Testament is dealt with in the past tense as far as I can tell. Do you know any verses that command today's Christians to do violence?

Surah 9:123 says "O you who believe! Fight such of the disbelievers as dwell near to you..." That's a direct command from Allah to do violence.

The introduction to my Holy Qur'an says "The Holy Qur'an is for all times and climes. It was not meant for a limited period. It was revealed for the good of the whole of mankind and is suited for all ages to come." That negates the "It was a different time during the Prophet's life" argument. Surah 9 was written for "all times".

If you don't regard Surah 9 as binding on true Moslems, it would be interesting to hear why not.

[monday]

"but many of my muslim freinds have done just that, and have said it strongly and proudly!!! "

Good for your friends. Not all Muslems are morally weak. As in anything there are exceptions, but the PC crowd who try to tell us that most Muslems side with the West against their fundamentalist brothers are engaging in wishful thinking. Its simply not true. When push comes to shove they will align themselves with the jahaidists.

[Aric2000]

I was referring to an eye for an eye etc. We no longer cut off the hand of a thief etc, as instructed in the old testament.

The crusades is a good example of the way the christian church used to be. The pope used to order the slaughter of heretics and nonbelievers all the time. No different then, as the fundamentalists are now. When Islam fully matures, as christianity has, then it will become a less warlike and nontolerant religion. It'll just take 600 years or so, in the meanitime, we must detroy those that are the fundamentalists and call for Jihad.

[Phillip Augustus]

The Crusades were justified. The Crusades were a legitimate and reasonable Christian reaction to nearly 500 years of Mohammedean agresssion, beginning the Arabian Peninsula, and extending to the Holy Land, North Africa...and they dared even invade the Continent, crossing the Mediterranean to infest the Iberian Peninsula.

All before Pope Urban II's noble call to arms.

The Crusades were justified. The Crusades were a defensive war. Thank God for the Crusades; but for the Crusades, all of Europe (and, by extension, the New World) could today be Mohammedean.

[Aric2000]

You do not recall the crusades BEFORE the Great crusades as you call them.

The pope called a crusade and killed thousands of men women and children in FRENCH villages, because they did not believe in the power of the church. He did this a whole number fo times before the so-called great crusades.

Revisionist history is a wonderful thing.

[Phillip Augustus]

I am well aware of the crusades against the French heretics, though I believe they occured after the Crusades (not that the timing is particularly relevant). But how was I supposed to know you were referring to those crusades? When someone refers to "crusades", particularly in the context of a discussion about jihad, it's not unreasonable to assume the person is referring to the Crusades called by Pope Urban. And those Crusades were justified.

[jackliberty]

When Islam fully matures, as christianity has...

The point of my post was that Islam can't "mature" as long as their holy book tells them they must fight "the disbelievers."

Christians have, indeed, done some atrocious things. But, where does the Christian holy book command them to do so?

Does the Christian holy book tell today's believers they may beat their wives for disobedience?

Does the Christian holy book tell today's believers they may keep 80% of whatever they take from an enemy as long as they give 20% to the "church?"

Does the Christian holy book refer to members of a different tribe as "apes, despised?" Or tell Christians not to be friends with them?

The Holy Qur'an says (Surah 2:72) "And Allah will bring to light that (Jesus did not die on the cross)." Does the Christian holy book treat other religions' basic tenets with such utter contempt?

The difference is in the books. And Islam cannot mature until a "new testament" version of the Holy Qur'an is found. A true Moslem has to believe Surah 9:123 as strongly as any other Surah because you can't pick and choose which words of God you're going to obey.

[RISU]

I don't regard Muslims as an "enemy". I regard people who hit me in the nose as an enemy.

I want to know which individuals participated in 911, who trained them, who financed them, and then I want them cleaned out, totally. I could care less what crap they believe in, I only care about them when they misbehave.

[XBob]

23-"Don't know who you have been talking to, but many of my muslim freinds have done just that, and have said it strongly and proudly!!! The jihadists and fundamentalist muslims are WRONG!!!
"

please post some links to some of these many condemnations by prominent muslims and particularly muslim clerics.

[monday]

"I could care less what crap they believe in, I only care about them when they misbehave."

Then why do you care if MEMRI, as you say, "disseminate crap" or "promote crap"? If you don't care what they believe in it shouldn't matter in the least to you.