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Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | Sept. 3, 2002 | PETER MALLER and LAURIA LYNCH-GERMAN

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'Paper terrorism' gaining adherents

Anti-government tactics scare targets, frustrate authorities

By PETER MALLER and LAURIA LYNCH-GERMAN
of the Journal Sentinel staff
Last Updated: Sept. 3, 2002

When Steven Allen Magritz refused to pay $30,000 owed in property taxes on his 62-acre estate in the Town of Fredonia, the land was seized by Ozaukee County for use as a park.

16307Anti-Government

David Wynn Miller
Photo/Elizabeth Flores
David Wynn Miller of Milwaukee is widely known in anti-government circles. He runs seminars around the nation teaching people how to defend themselves in court using a legal language he invented.
Quotable
In and of itself, paper terrorism doesn't involve bombs or guns or weapons - but it does seem to be an attack on government and government officials.
- Mark Potok,
editor of Intelligence Report, a magazine published by the Southern Poverty Law Center

Rhetoric: Anti-government offenders

Magritz, a Milwaukee-based accountant, got even.

Authorities say he used a tactic known to law enforcement officials as "paper terrorism," filing thousands of bogus legal documents to harass government officials he blamed for his loss.

In May, Magritz, 57, struck his final blow, authorities say, filing bankruptcy petitions against 37 of his perceived adversaries, ruining their credit ratings and triggering events that frightened his targets.

Rose Hass Leider, an Ozaukee County supervisor, was at a grocery when her credit card was rejected. Another government official was stunned when his bank suddenly wanted to cancel a deal involving the sale of his home.

Sheriff Maury Straub got a letter from a credit card company that his card was unusable.

"Magritz discontinued paying taxes five or six years ago with this day in mind," Straub said. "He did so to make himself a martyr for the cause."

"It is the law of Stephen Magritz, not the law of the United States," Straub said.

Yet Magritz's version of law is invading suburban Milwaukee. No longer hunkered down just in rural places such as Tigerton - where the Posse Comitatus operated from a makeshift compound filled with mobile homes in the 1980s - anti-government activists are now causing problems in the Milwaukee area. As for Magritz, he is jailed and awaiting a court appearance in Dane County.

These activists - who call themselves "sovereign citizens" because they reject all laws - are spreading their message via the Internet, shortwave radio and other means of mass communication, according to Mark Pitcavage, who monitors extremist movements for the Anti-Defamation League.

"In the 1980s (paper terrorism) was much more of a rural phenomenon, but since the 1990s, it has become more suburban and urban," Pitcavage said.

The Posse Comitatus eventually was disbanded, but the group's ideology and tactics - when confronted, it retaliated by filing bogus legal claims for millions of dollars against local and state officials - lives on, according to experts who study extremism.

After Sept. 11, any act of terrorism that threatens government is being taken more seriously by law enforcement officials, said Randy Romanski, spokesman for state Attorney General Jim Doyle.

Doyle's Domestic Security Unit, formed after the attacks on the nation, was assigned the task of prosecuting Magritz and investigating other anti-government activists, who filed false documents to intimidate police, government officials and private citizens.

"In and of itself, paper terrorism doesn't involve bombs or guns or weapons - but it does seem to be an attack on government and government officials," said Roy Korte, an assistant state attorney general.

Virtually no extremist group in the history of America - including the Ku Klux Klan - has expressed such strong anti-government beliefs, nor challenged the authority of government as aggressively as sovereign citizens, Pitcavage said.

A movement's linguist

David Wynn Miller, a former tool and die maker from Milwaukee, tours the nation, presenting seminars on how to win court cases using a legal language he invented.

Miller tells seminar participants - for a $200 fee - that judges have no authority over Americans because courts are bogus institutions "run under maritime law."

"Judges, they take a human being apart, his thinking apart - and turn him into a slave in their courtrooms," Miller said in an interview at a Milwaukee restaurant.

Miller, who now calls himself "a judge who judges judges," teaches seminar participants how to defend themselves using a language that some Canadian judges have called "gibberish."

Miller tells those in his seminars that all sentences need to start with the word "for," and contain at least 13 words, mostly nouns. He also advises against using most verbs. Only nouns have legal authority, he says.

The U.S. Constitution is really "a bankruptcy petition for collecting taxes," he says. People don't need to pay taxes if they can "prove that money is a verb," he says.

He claims those who follow his method have never lost a case.

When asked for proof, Miller says the government conspired to destroy all the court documents.

A nephew of Miller's, 22-year-old Jason Zellmer of Oconomowoc, attempted to use Miller's methods when he was tried in Dane County and convicted of resisting an officer. Zellmer was freed from jail July 30 on that conviction. He now stands accused of simulating the legal process for filing the bogus legal papers.

Canadian judges have shown little patience with those who use Miller's tactics. According to news reports, some have been cited for contempt of court, and others have been ordered to undergo psychiatric tests.

Committed to a cause

While the movement's logic and theories may seem absurd to the average citizens, adherents are so committed that they'll go to prison to exercise their perceived freedoms, officials said.

As Washington County's attorneyin the late 1990s, Patrick Faragher had extensive dealings with government protesters. Speaking from that experience - and not from his current position as a Circuit Court judge - Faragher said he became convinced then that they are true believers.

"The key to this is that they believe in what they are doing and they firmly believe it is something they are permitted to do under the law," he said. "There is not one doubt in their minds that the government is corrupt and they are acting appropriately, in accordance with the law."

Faragher said the hardest thing for him as county attorneywas to watch the panic of county employees when they were served with papers demanding millions in damages.

"There was a real fear factor for those who were less legally sophisticated," said Faragher, who has been a target of one bogus IRS filing to the tune of $23 million. "To get these very realistic documents and for at least a few minutes not know how real they were, there was for many people a real sense of fear."

Blending religion, politics

Blending religion with politics, sovereign citizens have invented a story of a lost utopia in which Americans governed themselves using English common law, the Anti-Defamation League's Pitcavage said. According to this fabricated history, there were no oppressive laws, taxes or court orders, he said.

But robbed of freedoms by power-hungry government officials, the old system gave way to a monstrous bureaucracy that deprives people of their rights, according to sovereign citizens.

They believe that several amendments to the U.S. Constitution provide keys to their mythical version of history, Pitcavage said. The movement is particularly focused on the 14th Amendment, which gave citizenship to former slaves.

According to the movement's leaders, this amendment, ratified in 1868, made citizenship optional for everyone.

But nobody, of course, would voluntarily choose to be part of this tyrannical system they believe exists, Pitcavage said. Therefore, sovereign citizens think that the government tricks people into becoming citizens.

Sovereign citizens often mix the ideology with a theological underpinning that places their view of God's laws ahead of man's.

Members of the movement believe that each time people sign such routine government documents as driver's licenses, hunting and fishing permits and marriage certificates, they fall into the trap. Sovereign citizens think the documents serve as contracts that permit the government to invade ordinary Americans' lives.

Korte, the assistant attorney general, regularly gets mail from Wisconsin residents renouncing their ties to government, but nobody knows exactly how many people calling themselves sovereign citizens are Wisconsin residents, he said.

"They come with notes saying, 'I no longer want to be a citizen, and I am returning my driver's license or my marriage license.' " Korte said. "I get documents every day or every week - licenses and permits - that some people consider to be contracts with the state."

Wisconsin's a hotbed

While this loosely structured movement seems to have a particularly strong following in Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and Texas, like-minded believers can be found across the nation, according to Mark Potok, editor of Intelligence Report, a magazine published by the Southern Poverty Law Center, another watchdog group that tracks radicals.

In Wisconsin, the trend toward hating government was seeded in the 1970s by displaced farmers and factory workers, blaming their problems on elected officials and bureaucrats, Potok said.

"It's kind of contagious to some degree," he said. "Anti-government ideology has spread more than it ever has before in the history of the nation."

That hatred sometimes turns violent.

Wilfred Benzing, self-proclaimed minister of an anti-government church near Slinger that is now defunct, is in prison for attacking a Washington County sheriff's deputy.

Benzing swung a golf club at an officer after an incident in which his daughter refused to stop when police tried to pull her over for speeding.

After being extradited from Alaska, where he fled after being charged, he refused to acknowledge the authority of the Wisconsin courts.

Benzing believes he is a bond servant of Jesus Christ who cannot be a U.S. citizen because allegiance to America would violate his contract with God.

Prosecution awaited

In Ozaukee County, 37 current and former county officials await the prosecution of Magritz in the alleged act of paper terrorism against them. The attorney general's office filed the charges of criminal slander against him in Dane County, where he has been jailed awaiting a court appearance this month.

He is accused of filling out forms in U.S. District Court in Milwaukee that, though eventually invalidated, were able to damage the credit ratings of the 37 officials.

Gus "Sandy" Wirth, chairman of the Ozaukee County Board, was one of the people Magritz is accused of targeting.

What troubles Wirth is that such actions might deter people from ever running for office.

"If even one person doesn't run because of it, the loss is ours and the gain is his. I don't like that. That is my biggest fear."


Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Sept. 3, 2002.



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Anyone ever heard of this?
1 posted on 09/03/2002 4:02:21 PM PDT by Monitor
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To: Monitor
I am afraid you had a formatting disaster... here it is again...

'Paper terrorism' gaining adherents

Anti-government tactics scare targets, frustrate authorities

By PETER MALLER and LAURIA LYNCH-GERMAN
of the Journal Sentinel staff
Last Updated: Sept. 3, 2002

When Steven Allen Magritz refused to pay $30,000 owed in property taxes on his 62-acre estate in the Town of Fredonia, the land was seized by Ozaukee County for use as a park.

16307Anti-Government
David Wynn Miller
Photo/Elizabeth Flores
David Wynn Miller of Milwaukee is widely known in anti-government circles. He runs seminars around the nation teaching people how to defend themselves in court using a legal language he invented.
Quotable
In and of itself, paper terrorism doesn't involve bombs or guns or weapons - but it does seem to be an attack on government and government officials.
- Mark Potok,
editor of Intelligence Report, a magazine published by the Southern Poverty Law Center

Rhetoric: Anti-government offenders

Magritz, a Milwaukee-based accountant, got even.

Authorities say he used a tactic known to law enforcement officials as "paper terrorism," filing thousands of bogus legal documents to harass government officials he blamed for his loss.

In May, Magritz, 57, struck his final blow, authorities say, filing bankruptcy petitions against 37 of his perceived adversaries, ruining their credit ratings and triggering events that frightened his targets.

Rose Hass Leider, an Ozaukee County supervisor, was at a grocery when her credit card was rejected. Another government official was stunned when his bank suddenly wanted to cancel a deal involving the sale of his home.

Sheriff Maury Straub got a letter from a credit card company that his card was unusable.

"Magritz discontinued paying taxes five or six years ago with this day in mind," Straub said. "He did so to make himself a martyr for the cause."

"It is the law of Stephen Magritz, not the law of the United States," Straub said.

Yet Magritz's version of law is invading suburban Milwaukee. No longer hunkered down just in rural places such as Tigerton - where the Posse Comitatus operated from a makeshift compound filled with mobile homes in the 1980s - anti-government activists are now causing problems in the Milwaukee area. As for Magritz, he is jailed and awaiting a court appearance in Dane County.

These activists - who call themselves "sovereign citizens" because they reject all laws - are spreading their message via the Internet, shortwave radio and other means of mass communication, according to Mark Pitcavage, who monitors extremist movements for the Anti-Defamation League.

"In the 1980s (paper terrorism) was much more of a rural phenomenon, but since the 1990s, it has become more suburban and urban," Pitcavage said.

The Posse Comitatus eventually was disbanded, but the group's ideology and tactics - when confronted, it retaliated by filing bogus legal claims for millions of dollars against local and state officials - lives on, according to experts who study extremism.

After Sept. 11, any act of terrorism that threatens government is being taken more seriously by law enforcement officials, said Randy Romanski, spokesman for state Attorney General Jim Doyle.

Doyle's Domestic Security Unit, formed after the attacks on the nation, was assigned the task of prosecuting Magritz and investigating other anti-government activists, who filed false documents to intimidate police, government officials and private citizens.

"In and of itself, paper terrorism doesn't involve bombs or guns or weapons - but it does seem to be an attack on government and government officials," said Roy Korte, an assistant state attorney general.

Virtually no extremist group in the history of America - including the Ku Klux Klan - has expressed such strong anti-government beliefs, nor challenged the authority of government as aggressively as sovereign citizens, Pitcavage said.

A movement's linguist

David Wynn Miller, a former tool and die maker from Milwaukee, tours the nation, presenting seminars on how to win court cases using a legal language he invented.

Miller tells seminar participants - for a $200 fee - that judges have no authority over Americans because courts are bogus institutions "run under maritime law."

"Judges, they take a human being apart, his thinking apart - and turn him into a slave in their courtrooms," Miller said in an interview at a Milwaukee restaurant.

Miller, who now calls himself "a judge who judges judges," teaches seminar participants how to defend themselves using a language that some Canadian judges have called "gibberish."

Miller tells those in his seminars that all sentences need to start with the word "for," and contain at least 13 words, mostly nouns. He also advises against using most verbs. Only nouns have legal authority, he says.

The U.S. Constitution is really "a bankruptcy petition for collecting taxes," he says. People don't need to pay taxes if they can "prove that money is a verb," he says.

He claims those who follow his method have never lost a case.

When asked for proof, Miller says the government conspired to destroy all the court documents.

A nephew of Miller's, 22-year-old Jason Zellmer of Oconomowoc, attempted to use Miller's methods when he was tried in Dane County and convicted of resisting an officer. Zellmer was freed from jail July 30 on that conviction. He now stands accused of simulating the legal process for filing the bogus legal papers.

Canadian judges have shown little patience with those who use Miller's tactics. According to news reports, some have been cited for contempt of court, and others have been ordered to undergo psychiatric tests.

Committed to a cause

While the movement's logic and theories may seem absurd to the average citizens, adherents are so committed that they'll go to prison to exercise their perceived freedoms, officials said.

As Washington County's attorneyin the late 1990s, Patrick Faragher had extensive dealings with government protesters. Speaking from that experience - and not from his current position as a Circuit Court judge - Faragher said he became convinced then that they are true believers.

"The key to this is that they believe in what they are doing and they firmly believe it is something they are permitted to do under the law," he said. "There is not one doubt in their minds that the government is corrupt and they are acting appropriately, in accordance with the law."

Faragher said the hardest thing for him as county attorneywas to watch the panic of county employees when they were served with papers demanding millions in damages.

"There was a real fear factor for those who were less legally sophisticated," said Faragher, who has been a target of one bogus IRS filing to the tune of $23 million. "To get these very realistic documents and for at least a few minutes not know how real they were, there was for many people a real sense of fear."

Blending religion, politics

Blending religion with politics, sovereign citizens have invented a story of a lost utopia in which Americans governed themselves using English common law, the Anti-Defamation League's Pitcavage said. According to this fabricated history, there were no oppressive laws, taxes or court orders, he said.

But robbed of freedoms by power-hungry government officials, the old system gave way to a monstrous bureaucracy that deprives people of their rights, according to sovereign citizens.

They believe that several amendments to the U.S. Constitution provide keys to their mythical version of history, Pitcavage said. The movement is particularly focused on the 14th Amendment, which gave citizenship to former slaves.

According to the movement's leaders, this amendment, ratified in 1868, made citizenship optional for everyone.

But nobody, of course, would voluntarily choose to be part of this tyrannical system they believe exists, Pitcavage said. Therefore, sovereign citizens think that the government tricks people into becoming citizens.

Sovereign citizens often mix the ideology with a theological underpinning that places their view of God's laws ahead of man's.

Members of the movement believe that each time people sign such routine government documents as driver's licenses, hunting and fishing permits and marriage certificates, they fall into the trap. Sovereign citizens think the documents serve as contracts that permit the government to invade ordinary Americans' lives.

Korte, the assistant attorney general, regularly gets mail from Wisconsin residents renouncing their ties to government, but nobody knows exactly how many people calling themselves sovereign citizens are Wisconsin residents, he said.

"They come with notes saying, 'I no longer want to be a citizen, and I am returning my driver's license or my marriage license.' " Korte said. "I get documents every day or every week - licenses and permits - that some people consider to be contracts with the state."

Wisconsin's a hotbed

While this loosely structured movement seems to have a particularly strong following in Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and Texas, like-minded believers can be found across the nation, according to Mark Potok, editor of Intelligence Report, a magazine published by the Southern Poverty Law Center, another watchdog group that tracks radicals.

In Wisconsin, the trend toward hating government was seeded in the 1970s by displaced farmers and factory workers, blaming their problems on elected officials and bureaucrats, Potok said.

"It's kind of contagious to some degree," he said. "Anti-government ideology has spread more than it ever has before in the history of the nation."

That hatred sometimes turns violent.

Wilfred Benzing, self-proclaimed minister of an anti-government church near Slinger that is now defunct, is in prison for attacking a Washington County sheriff's deputy.

Benzing swung a golf club at an officer after an incident in which his daughter refused to stop when police tried to pull her over for speeding.

After being extradited from Alaska, where he fled after being charged, he refused to acknowledge the authority of the Wisconsin courts.

Benzing believes he is a bond servant of Jesus Christ who cannot be a U.S. citizen because allegiance to America would violate his contract with God.

Prosecution awaited

In Ozaukee County, 37 current and former county officials await the prosecution of Magritz in the alleged act of paper terrorism against them. The attorney general's office filed the charges of criminal slander against him in Dane County, where he has been jailed awaiting a court appearance this month.

He is accused of filling out forms in U.S. District Court in Milwaukee that, though eventually invalidated, were able to damage the credit ratings of the 37 officials.

Gus "Sandy" Wirth, chairman of the Ozaukee County Board, was one of the people Magritz is accused of targeting.

What troubles Wirth is that such actions might deter people from ever running for office.

"If even one person doesn't run because of it, the loss is ours and the gain is his. I don't like that. That is my biggest fear."

Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Sept. 3, 2002.

2 posted on 09/03/2002 4:04:36 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Monitor; Poohbah; Orual; aculeus; general_re; Catspaw
Miller tells seminar participants - for a $200 fee - that judges have no authority over Americans because courts are bogus institutions "run under maritime law."

Ahoy, Cap'n Poohbah!

3 posted on 09/03/2002 4:15:24 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Monitor
Anyone ever heard of this?

Cities use it against gun makers, don't they?

4 posted on 09/03/2002 4:21:04 PM PDT by Grut
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To: dighton
A couple of notes:

No longer hunkered down just in rural places such as Tigerton - where the Posse Comitatus operated from a makeshift compound filled with mobile homes in the 1980s

It figures...

He claims those who follow his method have never lost a case.

When asked for proof, Miller says the government conspired to destroy all the court documents.

Right. Sure. Uh-huh.

5 posted on 09/03/2002 4:29:07 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Grut

Yep. All such talk of freedom....they must be nuts.

Next thing you know, these nutsos will form some kinda Republic and declare independence or something foolish and irrational.

6 posted on 09/03/2002 4:29:16 PM PDT by sam_paine
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To: sam_paine
ext thing you know, these nutsos will form some kinda Republic and declare independence or something foolish and irrational.

No, they just usually decide to shoot cops when they get pulled over. We had a Freeper decide to do this recently.

7 posted on 09/03/2002 4:32:38 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yes, this filing of court documents is just so morally equivalent to murdering 3000 innocent people in the WTC ... it must be terrorism (/sarcasm)
8 posted on 09/03/2002 4:34:34 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Centurion2000
Yes, this filing of court documents is just so morally equivalent to murdering 3000 innocent people in the WTC ... it must be terrorism (/sarcasm)

I know people who PO'd a Posse Comitatus guy who they had to evict for non-payment of rent.

Getting your credit report f***ed up by a complete sociopath may not be "terrorism," but it ought to rate the perp getting beaten as if he was the red-headed stepchild.

9 posted on 09/03/2002 4:36:52 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Monitor
Questions and Answers about the Republic of Texas
10 posted on 09/03/2002 4:40:55 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Poohbah
WHo? Whuhappened? Link?
11 posted on 09/03/2002 4:40:57 PM PDT by sam_paine
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To: Centurion2000
Well, during the last presidency, these folks were the Enemy of the State, rather than those who flew those airplanes into the World Trade Center.
12 posted on 09/03/2002 4:42:06 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: sam_paine
The guy's FR name was "matsuidon."

Here's a link to all of the posts ResistorSister put up on this

13 posted on 09/03/2002 4:44:26 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
He claims those who follow his method have never lost a case.

It won't take long to dig up somebody who tried his method and lost in court. Maybe they can sue him for fraud, or false advertising, or at least to get their $200 back.

14 posted on 09/03/2002 4:57:56 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Poohbah; Orual; aculeus; general_re; Catspaw; sam_paine
Miller tells those in his seminars that all sentences need to start with the word "for," and contain at least 13 words, mostly nouns. He also advises against using most verbs. Only nouns have legal authority, he says.

Here's that charlatan's website, and a sample:

FOR THIS JUDGE: David-Wynn: Miller IN THE TRUTH-LAW-CLAIMS: FOR THIS KNOWLEDGE OF OUR LANGUAGE-FORMAT IS WITH THESE LAW-CLAIMS BY THIS MATHEMATICAL-QUANTUM OF THE TIME AND FACTS. FOR THIS EDUCATIONAL-CORRECTION OF ALL LAWS IS WITH THE TRUTHFUL-LANGUAGE OF THESE UNITY-STATES OF OUR WORLD. FOR THESE SOVEREIGN-CHARTER-VESSEL-CITIZEN IN THE PARTY ARE WITH THESE OUTLINES BY THESE TERMS OF THIS TRUTH-LAW-CLAIMS-STUDY-GUIDE ON THIS WEB-SITE.

FOR THIS KNOWLEDGE OF THIS TRUTH IS WITH THIS NOUN-LAW BY THE NOUN-FACT WITH THE TRUTHFUL-LANGUAGE-FORMAT IN THE NOUN-JURISDICTION-TRUTH-LAW. FOR THESE LAW-FORMATS IN THE TRUTH ARE WITH THESE CLAIMS FOR THE CORRECTIONS THROUGH THE TEACHING OF THE PEOPLE, COURTS AND LAW-MAKERS OF THE FICTION-LANGUAGE-FORMAT WITH THE ADJECTIVE AND VERB-FICTION-LANGUAGE. FOR ALL MODIFICATIONS OF THE WORLD-FLAG(~1x1.9: RED, WHITE AND BLUE) ARE AS THE FOREIGN-FLAGS IN THE FOREIGN-FICTION-CONTRACT-COURTROOM BY THE USE OF THESE FICTION-CONTRACTS WITH THE FICTION-VERB-LANGUAGE AND FICTION-VERB-JURISDICTION AGAINST ANY PARTY IN ANY CHARTER-VESSEL OR SOVEREIGN-CITIZEN OF OUR WORLD.

FOR THIS JUDGE: David-Wynn: Miller WITH THE KNOWLEDGE IN THE TRUTH IS WITH THE CLAIM FOR THE OPENING OF THESE DI-STRICT-COURTS OF OUR WORLD IN THE TERRITORY WITH THIS CONTRACT-TREATY-COURT FOR THE CORRECTION OF THE LANGUAGE-FORMAT-WRONGS AGAINST THE PEOPLE AS THIS DI-STRICT-JUDGE OF OUR WORLD. FOR THIS OATH IN THE TRUTH-LANGUAGE-FORMAT IS WITH THE CLAIM OF THE LIFE AND WITH THE FILING WITH THESE COURTS. FOR THIS TRUTH OF THIS KNOWLEDGE IS WITH THIS CLAIM OF OUR FREEDOMS.


15 posted on 09/03/2002 5:16:21 PM PDT by dighton
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To: wimpycat
I....I....am..shocked!

Shocked I tell you! The brother accepted $200 in evil Federal Reserve Slave Notes?

(maybe he was just taking them out of circulation. If anyone wants to bring down the private bankers by removing FRNs from circulation, ah... just e-mail me. I got a source to get rid of them at little or no charge. especially in bulk)
16 posted on 09/03/2002 5:17:00 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: dighton

17 posted on 09/03/2002 5:22:52 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Monitor
Pretty!
18 posted on 09/03/2002 5:40:37 PM PDT by paulklenk
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To: dighton; Poohbah; Orual; aculeus; general_re; Catspaw
re: "that charlatan's website"

Sure. It's incomprehensible...but it makes more sense than the IRS code, or patent legalese I read everyday!!!

19 posted on 09/03/2002 5:49:43 PM PDT by sam_paine
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To: dighton; Orual; aculeus; general_re; Catspaw; sam_paine
Message to David-Wynn: Miller:

Put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard!

20 posted on 09/03/2002 6:37:07 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: sam_paine
Let's not forget who is pushing this description of "paper terrorists". It is the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is a virtual treasure trove of disinformation on the left. These are the guys who consider groups like the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership to be "hate groups". I wouldn't be surprised to find FreeRepublic to be listed as a "Hate Group:" by the SPLC. If you take all of their output and discount 60 percent of it, you might find a kernal of truth.

If the SPLC is against these people, it makes me wonder if they might be doing something right.

21 posted on 09/03/2002 6:39:11 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
If the SPLC is against these people, it makes me wonder if they might be doing something right.

I really hope you annoy one of these folks and get your credit ruined based on false court filings.

22 posted on 09/03/2002 6:42:48 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: marktwain; Poohbah
The Posse Comitatus in question is about 40-50 miles from me in & around Tigerton in Shawano county. They wanted to found their own township, Tigerton Dells, starting back in the 70's. All kinds of groups have bought their horse manure. And a lot of Posse have ended up in jail and prison for putting fake leins on property of various public officials, for passing fake money orders before the Montana Freeman did. At least one Posse guy lost their farm because they failed to pay taxes on it for years (the aforementioned "Tigerton Dells," now an ATV park owned by either the county or the real township--I can't remember which). I remember at least one armed standoff (this was back in the mid-70's). They're also not that fond of Jews or blacks, not fond at all. Do a google search to see what I mean. I am NOT going to post any material a link because JimRob doesn't permit posting from racist and antisemitc sites.

If you think what they've done is a good idea and are thinking about doing it yourself, prepare yourself to spend a lot of time in court and possibly doing some serious jail time.

And another homegrown wacko, David Winn Miller, is certifiable. From what I've seen on his website, probably paranoid schizophenic.

23 posted on 09/03/2002 7:00:36 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Lovely people.

Those who like these people--for whatever misguided reason--deserve to be on the receiving end of their tactics for a while.

24 posted on 09/03/2002 7:09:25 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Catspaw
I don't think what they are doing with the liens is a good idea, and I think the description of "maritime law" is silly. My post was disparaging of the credibility of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a virtual legal pimp for the Clinton administration. If you think they are credible, wait until a group you belong to is labled as an "right wing extreme hate group".

I feel sympathy for the people who are taken in by charlatans who preach simple solutions to the destruction of property rights and the misinformation about the Constitution created by the leftists in this country. I was in Wisconsin when the "posse comitatus" was formed, and it started to get some traction with people who were fed up with unconstitutional laws. When people learned of its particulars, it lost all credibility. People see their rights violated all the time. They see politicians who refuse to follow their oath of office. They see the OldDomiantLiberalMedia tell lie after lie. It is not hard to understand that they turn to a fast talking charlatan who claims to have the answer.

The SPLC trys to put everyone opposed to socialism and for enforcement of the Bill of Rights under its umbrella of "extreme right wing hate group:".

25 posted on 09/03/2002 7:22:48 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Poohbah
They're very unpleasant. I should make on addition: the folks behind the fake money order scheme was a group called "Family Farm Preservation," led by one Thomas Stockheimer. It was a successor group to the Posse. Here are two stories about the fake money order trial in federal court and the appellate decision:


http://www.beloitdailynews.com/1196/2wis26.htm

http://www.kentlaw.edu/7circuit/1998/sep/97-1939.html
26 posted on 09/03/2002 7:25:18 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: marktwain
Morris Dees and the SPLC are one of the most dangerous intelligence gathering operations in America.
27 posted on 09/03/2002 7:31:21 PM PDT by tet68
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To: marktwain
The Posse members I've had contact with use the court system when it suits them (frivilous lawsuits, fake leins, etc.), but claim the courts have no jurisdiction over them when it doesn't suit them. Their recruitment tool was, as it still is, is an anti-tax message wrapped around a hatred of Jews first and blacks next.

The Posse members I've known (and they aren't just limited to Shawano County, but are scattered about in Brown County, Kewaunee county and a couple other counties in this area) are virulently antisemitic and racist.

As far as the accountant in the story goes (the one who filed bankruptcy on the public officials), I expect him to be charged with bankruptcy fraud, and if convicted, I expect him to do some very serious federal time.

28 posted on 09/03/2002 7:33:09 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Monitor
Well, since their mug shots are up and some are behind bars, looks like these anti-government warriors have lost their battle. They are going to have some time to think things over; perhaps they may come to the realization that, in combating government, the primary objective is to remain uncaught. To remain uncaught requires that one remain un-joined.
29 posted on 09/03/2002 8:12:37 PM PDT by meanspirit77
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To: Poohbah
No, they just usually decide to shoot cops when they get pulled over. We had a Freeper decide to do this recently.

He wasn't a FReeper. He lurked, he made a few posts.

By a standard that includes him ... You're a FReeper... I'm a FReeper... Murrymom's a FReeper...

Do we really want to go there?

30 posted on 09/03/2002 8:15:37 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: dighton; Poohbah; Orual; aculeus
I thought the name looked familiar. Hey, just wait till he gets hold of the mail...
31 posted on 09/03/2002 8:59:42 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Monitor
I like the Orwellian term 'paper terrorism.' The attack on the Israeli airlines in LA is not terrorism, but these nuisance filings are terrorism. I suppose Napster is terrorism as well and that guy those used the magic marker to defeat a CD copy protection scheme, also a terrorist.
32 posted on 09/03/2002 9:56:52 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: marktwain
>...by the SPLC. If you take all of their output and discount 60 percent of it, you might find a kernal of truth.

You give them too much credit. There have been huge exposes done on this organization. They are not poor and have nothing to do with poverty. They raise huge funds which is their primary task and spend very little on anything other than fundraising. They are a self appointed hate group monitoring organization which unfortunately got the ear of FBI during the Clinton years. They make people think the Klan is going to ride again and use this to extract donations.

www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b81c1e9411c.htm
The Church of Morris Dees - How the Southern Poverty Law Center profits from intolerance (Harper's Magazine)

33 posted on 09/03/2002 10:12:47 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: Dialup Llama
“Paper terrorism” appears to be an individual's description not a formal description of the crime involved.
34 posted on 09/03/2002 10:13:31 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: marktwain
My post was disparaging of the credibility of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a virtual legal pimp for the Clinton administration.

The SPLC is a left wing hate group, but they also opposed the American Nazi Party. I am sorry, but this will not get me to support the Nazis. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

35 posted on 09/03/2002 10:16:02 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: general_re; dighton; Orual; aculeus
He's gone off his chump.
36 posted on 09/04/2002 4:28:42 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah; dighton; Orual; aculeus
For some reason, seeing him write like that, about becoming a "Postal-In-Spector" reminds me of the columns of T. Herman Zweibel...
37 posted on 09/04/2002 5:38:24 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Monitor
Wasn't there a movement among some linguists or philosophers which held that the key to much human misery was the verb, "to be" and its conjugates?

As I recall they tried to speak and write without ever using "be" or derivatives such as "is" (no, Clinton was not a member of this movement), "was", etc.

Reminds me of the fellow who (honest!) wrote a 50,000-word book without once using the letter "E". Since the book was about teenagers, he was really up against it. He refused even to use abbreviations such as "Mr." because when spelled out it contains an "E". Also numbers such as "7" for the same reason. Written in the days of typewriters, again as I recall, he tied the "E" key down on the keyboard to prevent an accidental "E" creeping in...

--Boris

38 posted on 09/04/2002 8:13:45 AM PDT by boris
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