Murder Number 5 at Fort Bragg

Fox News ^ | July 31, 2002

[JohnGalt]

After Delta Force showed their true colors at Waco, I concluded we should fear our elite troops. But as it turned out, it was their own families that had something to fear.

[TrappedInLiberalHell]

This article is about the wife shooting the husband (a change from the previous four murders).

[hsmomx3]

All of this is very strange. Makes you wonder what is going on. I have not even heard mention of these killings on local news. I have heard about it on cable news, though.

[gaspar]

In the old days we would say "there's the old army, the new army, and this effing thing." What the hell is happening? The army started going bad when they gave enlisted men married housing. RA all the way.

[Gunrunner2]

They don't call it "Fayett-Nam" for nothing.

[FryingPan101]

I remember being frightened when Army Captain (Dr) Jeff McDonald killed his wife and children when my husband was in Vietnam. Many years ago while we were stationed in Germany, I also knew a well-liked, respected Sergeant who killed his girlfriend because she was going to tell his wife about them. He's still in Leavenworth. I've known these acts of murder and maybe ten others during my long association with the military. What's strange about the Ft Bragg incidents is that they're all there....no other posts. Although, there was a Colonel who killed his wife a few months ago while he was a student at the War College. There are probably more but the media didn't link them. They think they've got some sort of conspiracy right now.

[knarf]

No one seems to have, so I'll say it ...

Jacob's Ladder.

[Constitution Day]

RELATED THREAD:
Fort Bragg Major Murdered In Fayetteville Home

Check out the local news links (posted by me today) at #57.

[cynicom]

You gotta be kidding. The enlisted men were friends of the officers wives on a regular basis. Unregular Air force.

[HumanaeVitae]

Maybe we're forgetting that there's something like 1.2 million people in the armed forces, and many of them have just gotten back from a war zone after 6-8 months of combat. So, stress x abscence x lots of people may equal a seeming "trend" that really doesn't exist. IMHO.

[NerdDad]

Gaspar said: The army started going bad when they gave enlisted men married housing.

Forgive me while I react negatively. I threw away a career in the AF after 8 yrs because of jerk-wad officers with the attitude that their degree in basket weaving made them a better class of human than me. Your comment strikes a nerve. I suppose you probably would have said (or depending on your age--actually said) the same about the n!ggerz too. The enlisted men carry the services. Especially in the Army where they are the ones getting their asses shot off while the officers sit in the mess tent. They do not deserve the kind of second-class treatment your comment suggests. FYI, at my base the enlisted and officers had separate (segregated) housing areas. Still that way today. The holier-than-thou officers need not even acknowledge that they have enlisted members living on the base unless they choose to.

Cynicom said: The enlisted men were friends of the officers wives on a regular basis.

I know I was. And a couple of the female pilots too. They liked that "unsophisticated, eat-with-their-hands kind of guy" sometimes. All that plastic, political BS they have to go through to get, or to keep getting their husbands, promoted wears on them. Sometimes they just needed a BANG. It didn't matter to them if I lived on base, off base or in the singles dorm. I was "friends" with them from all 3 locales. What mattered to them was that I was a real person. Not a jock with a control stick up my ass. And I treated her like a real person and not a necessary prop for my career.
Enlisted puke Air Force.

[Notforprophet]

You may be on to something with that...

...or else you're on something.

Notforprophet

[Dark Watch]

All of this is very strange. Makes you wonder what is going on.

You wouldn't wonder if you knew the changes that have gone on in Special Forces candidate selection.  Too many officers need that "check the block" on their evaluations to turn away the unstable students. 

Nowadays, its all about quantity instead of quality in the student output at the Special Warfare Center.

[Paid4This]

Instapundit.com has been linking to different sites that seem to be hinting that it's all some connected web of infidelities.

[dtel]

You go ND.
Must have struck a raw nerve, eh? ;^)

[RightWhale]

What is going on? This is getting beyond strictly random acts.

[XGMan]

When I was there, they called it Fatalberg.

Between the 82nd and SpecForces, there has always been "domestic" problems. I can remember certain "family feuds" that would make your skin crawl.

[gaspar]

If an enlisted man in the combat arms wants to get married then get the hell out of the Army and find a new career. You may not like the advice, but it worked damned well in the old army.

[NerdDad]

Correction SIR! What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you apply it to enlisteds it applies equally well to officers. Despite all the perks you seem to think officers deserve over enlisted men, I don't believe the Army issues wives to officers either. Buy yourself a clue. The services now allow all races, creeds, colors, sexes, and sexual preferences. They even allow their enlisted members to be married. That page does not turn back. Attempting to do so would create an exodus greater than that from Egypt a couple thousand years ago. Golly, then the officers might have to put down their coffee cups and take up combat arms themselves instead of sending out their uneducated oaf enlisteds to be slaughtered.

Let's not hijack this thread. The thread is about a wife who shot her OFFICER husband. It has nothing to do with enlisted men. It certainly is not the fault of an enlisted man. And it damn well didn't happen just because an enlisted man was allowed to marry or to live on base. Soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, regardless of rank deserve to be treated with respect. Regardless of rank they deserve to have the rules applied equally and fairly.

[RightOnline]

So let me get this straight. You're bragging about how you "banged", as you so delicately put it, the wives of officers on the bases where you were stationed? Is that it? And you are saying that this was some sort of public service you offered these poor women to offer them "relief" from the travails of being married to an officer?

I'll hold off further response until I see how you answer this one.

[Red Jones]

I read on NewsMax just now that they charged the wife already and are seeking a 15 year old in addition for the shannon murder. Does this mean the wife got a 15 year old to kill her husband?

[Constitution Day]

I read on NewsMax just now that they charged the wife already and are seeking a 15 year old in addition for the shannon murder. Does this mean the wife got a 15 year old to kill her husband?

It sure sounds like it.
Here's the latest story from WRAL in Raleigh:

Authorities Believe Money Was Motive In Death Of Fort Bragg Soldier

[NerdDad]

You are correct to call me on this. I allowed my emotions to put me in an indefensible position. What I did or may have done twenty something years ago should never have been mentioned, especially in this forum. Thumping my chest about it, even in the face of a perceived provocation, exacerbates the offense and makes me worse than my provocateur. I offer my apologies to you and all others I have offended.

[Prodigal Son]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Well, from a former enlisted Army Infantry puke- I send you a big HOO-AHH! You go! I always hated officers that thought they were... Well, you know...

A quick anecdote that actually happened to me. I was having to get a Major to approve a leave form once (long story) but he wanted to know why I wanted to go on leave and I told him that my wife had just gotten her PhD and we wanted to go off for a couple weeks and celebrate. This Major's face just screwed up in the most awful expression of disbelief- eyes scrunched up, mouth open- and says "Your wife has a PhD? In what?" (emphasis his). I told him and the whole time he was signing my leave form he was just shaking his head- he couldn't believe an enlisted man could have a wife with a Dr title.

On that note, I'll also place this little update to this story, posted by yours truly just moments ago:

Shannon’s daughter arrested (Ft Bragg Murders- SF Major's Daughter)

[NerdDad]

Thanks for your support. I was beginning to wonder if there were anymore enlisted guys who were members.
In the spirit of war stories I am now obliged to share one with you. :-)

This is one of the major incidents that turned me against a career in the AF. I was in a flight training squadron at the time. We had a young female Sgt who was a fine, fine aircraft scheduler. Had been seeing a LT in another squadron since before either of them joined the AF. The day she came back to work from her honeymoon she was summoned to the commander's office. I can still quote you what the jerk LtCol told her. "You are no longer an enlisted person, you are an officer's wife. You will no longer conduct yourself as an enlisted person, you will conduct yourself as an officer's wife." Her question to me afterwards was "What? Does he think we eat with our hands or something?" The AF subsequently lost one of its finest aircraft schedulers. She was a real tribute to the uniform.

This was just one of many anti-enlisted examples I can give you from this same piece of dung. He went on to make his eagle too, all the while doing things such as ordering the downgrade of enlisted performance reports. Yes, I said ordering. I saw the written note. When I filed a complaint with the IG, the kiss-ass Capt the note was addressed to developed amnesia. I hope by now they both have their own special corner in hell being butthole b!tch to a bunch of stripe wearing demons with splintery little sluggers for penii.