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'Flag of convenience' raises concern (Osama bin Laden owns fleet of cargo ships!)
The Everett Herald ^ | June 14, 2002 | AP

Posted on 06/14/2002 9:48:15 AM PDT by Robert357

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Osama bin Laden covertly owns a shipping fleet

I almost missed this and find it truly significant.

OK, now we know why all the concern over port security and cargo screening to US ports. This also probably explains the concern over blowing up/running into major US bridges (i.e. Golden Gate, etc.) Yes, just like a jet liner, a cargo vessel could be run at full speed into something. Yes, just like a truck bomb that was used in the first WTC bombing a cargo ship could be loaded with explosives and moved next to something it shouldn't be near and detonated. Yes, a cargo vessel could serve as a delivery system for scuba divers with explosives. Yes, a cargo vessel could be used to run into another ship crowded with people.

As time goes on, I think we will better understand why our government leaders are so concerned about the potential for harm that they have declared war on terrorism. I would like to see Congress pass a declaration of war!

1 posted on 06/14/2002 9:48:15 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357
There is another interesting post today about a Panamanian flagged vessel and a missing shipment of AK-47's

Story about how cargo container of AK-47 disappearing and ship was later abandoned

2 posted on 06/14/2002 10:02:51 AM PDT by Robert357
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And we're inspecting only 2% of the inbound cargo? What's wrong with this picture?
3 posted on 06/14/2002 10:05:50 AM PDT by Veggie Todd
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To: Robert357
I wonder why ships would be needed to "supply equipment" for the bombings of the embassies in Africa. Seems a little strange, to me, that "equipment" that could be put into a semi truck (or a van, FTM) would be shipped by a shipping company to Africa. I have a hard time believing that statement in the article, and it makes the statement that we know Ben Laden has a fleet suspect, as well.

In a related matter, if Ben Laden, and thirty of his top aides, were killed today, would the threat of Islamic terrorism be practically diminished at all? I say, "no."

4 posted on 06/14/2002 10:15:07 AM PDT by agrandis
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To: Robert357
Hhmmm, fly planes into buildings - run floating bombs into harbors.....
5 posted on 06/14/2002 10:17:16 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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That stinks. New York Harbor is sooo vunerable too.
6 posted on 06/14/2002 10:22:46 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: Robert357
We could start with a ban on all Liberian flagged ships in U.S. Harbors.
7 posted on 06/14/2002 10:23:08 AM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Veggie Todd
And we're inspecting only 2% of the inbound cargo? What's wrong with this picture?

We just simply don't have the manpower to do it yet. I heard recently that I think it's 50,000 containers per day come into this country! We're just not prepared to inspect them all yet.

Someone had an interesting idea on some talk show recently, that we should be getting each country that sends us shipping containers to do the inspecting in their own ports, and then seal the containers so nothing can be hidden after that.

But I can see where that would leave open some options for the terrorists, who could easily plant some of their own in the foreign ispection teams.

8 posted on 06/14/2002 10:25:21 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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We just simply don't have the manpower to do it yet.

There are plenty of people unemployed and out of work who can be trained to do it. These people would be glad to have a job.

9 posted on 06/14/2002 10:30:12 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: texasbluebell
50,000 is a lot, but we should have been doing it from day one. I can only imagine how much contraband is getting through each day.
10 posted on 06/14/2002 10:33:02 AM PDT by Veggie Todd
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Mayor Thomas M. Menino asked a federal judge Friday to ban a tanker containing flammable liquefied natural gas from entering Boston Harbor on Monday because of fears of a possible terrorist attack.
11 posted on 06/14/2002 10:33:31 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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Oh, I agree. I don't know why there aren't more people being trained to do this inspecting, unless the money is not there to do it at the moment. Sometimes I wonder why they just can't get all this stuff co-ordinated better. There are so many holes in our system(s).
12 posted on 06/14/2002 10:36:07 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Robert357
I would like to see Congress pass a declaration of war!

Against whom!? What do we do, declare war against an individual? Against a firm? Against an organization?

It isn't that easy! We're living in a science-fiction/spy/mystery novel now, kids. One of those "far, future" worlds where multinational firms or insanely rich people are able to control vast resources against nation-states...and are able to mount a pretty decent battle, simply because their disciples do not wear the battle uniform of any one nation. They are everywhere and nowhere.

How do you declare war against that?!?

Don't get me wrong, I think we need to take the war to their doorsteps, and that means cutting off support and aid to Pakistan, and stomping on Musharraf and all the assorted warlords there -- hard!

My gut says that Al Qaeda's leadership is holed up in Pak or even Kashmir. We need to go into both places, kick butt and take names. We need to go after Saddam, now. We need to go after Arafat and stop playing games with the Saudis.

Clinton used executive orders to get anything he wanted. Bush ought to use an executive order to drill on the North Slope, and free us from having to kiss up to the Saudis. That way, we can truly hold them accountable for their actions, Democrats be damned.

A declaration of war won't change a thing. Daschle and his fellow gnomes will do their best to stand in the way of anything constructive. Bush ought to just do what he needs to do by executive order. There won't be a damned thing the Dems can do about it.

13 posted on 06/14/2002 10:41:28 AM PDT by mhking
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Ship operators in the United States and other developed countries have long registered their vessels in countries that offer lower fees, less restrictive laws, lower taxes and cheaper crews.

This kind of crap always comes back to bite us and still we keep doing it.
14 posted on 06/14/2002 10:46:08 AM PDT by Honcho
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Against an organization? Yes, against an organization an all who support that organization.

Don't get me wrong, I think we need to take the war to their doorsteps, and that means cutting off support and aid to Pakistan, and stomping on Musharraf and all the assorted warlords there -- hard!

My gut says that Al Qaeda's leadership is holed up in Pak or even Kashmir. We need to go into both places, kick butt and take names. We need to go after Saddam, now. We need to go after Arafat and stop playing games with the Saudis.

I agree with much of what you say. I am now beginning to understand how much infrastructure this "organization" may own or control. If it has a fleet of ships they should be discoverd and sunk or confiscated. Every asset of the organization should be removed from the control of the organization and if it take an act of war to go on the high seas and seize vessels, so be it.

15 posted on 06/14/2002 10:49:40 AM PDT by Robert357
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What's wrong with this picture?

I am beginning to see that there is a lot that is wrong with our ability to inspect and protect our ports.

16 posted on 06/14/2002 10:50:56 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: anniegetyourgun; areafiftyone
Yes, the article really brought a lot of frightening possibilities into focus associated with our harbors.
17 posted on 06/14/2002 10:53:06 AM PDT by Robert357
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that Osama bin Laden covertly owns a shipping fleet

Do you think we ought to tell the CIA that it might be a good idea to look into this......

18 posted on 06/14/2002 10:56:20 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: texasbluebell
We're just not prepared to inspect them all yet.

Your right, but what I find interesting is that in Puget Sound (Seattle/Tacoma/Bremerton shipyard, Everett naval station, major oil refineries in Anacortes & Ferndale, and Bangor submarine station) The Coast Guard just deployed one of four a naval swat teams and we got a number of X-ray-like devices to scan cargo containers. These devices allow can be mounted on barges to go up beside a ship and scan the containers or they can have a the container when unloaded from the ship, just be driven infront of the device to scan its interior.

We many not be there yet, but they are really devoting resources to beefing up the US ability to examine cargo, especially from ships of questionable registry.

19 posted on 06/14/2002 10:58:18 AM PDT by Robert357
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Do you think we ought to tell the CIA that it might be a good idea to look into this......

No, I expect that they, the FBI, and Homeland Security all know about this as do the Coast Guard.

I didn't know about this and I would wager that lots of members of the public aren't aware of this. I also think that it explains and legitimizes alot of strange things that have been happening since September 11th, but didn't previously make sense. That "connecting the dots" is why I read Free-Republic and enjoy the posts here.

20 posted on 06/14/2002 11:02:04 AM PDT by Robert357
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