Anthrax Theory Emerges (2002)

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[Sub-Driver]

The FBI is investigating whether the anthrax spores used in last fall's attacks could have been grown secretly inside an Army lab and then taken elsewhere to be weaponized, according to three sources familiar with the ongoing probe.

A former government microbiologist, who was interviewed in recent days by the FBI, said agents focused their questioning on the logistics of how someone with access to the U.S. Army's biodefense labs at Fort Detrick, Md., might carry out the scheme. The microbiologist, who once worked at Fort Detrick, said the agents did not indicate if they had evidence that such an incident had occurred.

[Peach]

It is just too coincidental that the first person to die of Anthrax last year also leased an apartment to Atta and I've always believed the FBI is deliberately misleading us, for tactical reasons, into believing the perpetrator is homegrown. I don't buy the homegrown theory.

[philosofy123]

Our Military has many Moslims! Is it possible that one of our soldiers is on the take from El Quaeida? or at least did the work for religous conviction against this nation?

[Robert357]

It is just too coincidental that the first person to die of Anthrax last year also leased an apartment to Atta and I've always believed the FBI is deliberately misleading us, for tactical reasons, into believing the perpetrator is homegrown. I don't buy the homegrown theory.

Well said! There are far too many coincidnetal items on the antrax to make me easily believe that the terrorist weapon is soley the work on one disgruntled person. If it was "one" person how could it kill people in NYC, WA DC and Florida? I know, I know, the mail. Yet really is that likely? Is it the simple explanation?

Even if someone at the lab was the source of the spores, teh FBI now believes it was "weaponized" off site into a size that they have said the US weapons program is not capable of doing and using a coating not part of the US weapons program. That translates into real money for real expensive equipment and real high quality air handling systems or else lots of sick/dead folks in the neighborhood.

If the truth is every told on this, I suspect that there will be a trail of money funneled into terrorists who bought disgruntled scientists and security agents. The source of that money is likely to be either Saudi, Iraq, or Iran. I also would not be surprised if in addition to some scientists, that some folks in the FBI haven't been bought by terrorists and that is a big part of this cover-up.

[Robert357]

Our Military has many Moslims! Is it possible that one of our soldiers is on the take from El Quaeida? or at least did the work for religous conviction against this nation?

I think that with the dirty-bomb suspect, we are now beginning to get a picture of terrorists coming to the US to recruit people they think are capable of various kinds of terrorist acts and willing to spend big money on the recruits. Flying some Chicago gang punk around the world and setting him up with a wife in Egypt is not cheap. This kind of money and organization could easily buy a disgruntled scientist and maybe even someone within a government agency designed to protect the US.

What I can not understand, because it defies logic, is why Tom D, who was the target of a assasination attempt, isn't publicly and politically ripping the FBI, the Bush Administration, the CIA, the NSA up one side and down the other to expose their incompetence in finding the folks who tried to kill him. He has never been shy about pointing out things the thought the Bush Administration should have done. This is the perfect opportunity.

My conclusion is that he has been told who tried to kill him and Tom D has decided that he doesn't want to leak that information. For that hypothesis to be correct, the answer has to be pretty upsetting even to a partisan democrat, who cares little about the country.

[VRWC_minion]

I don't buy the homegrown theory.

Even if the delivery of spores is by foreign people, it still doesn't rule out that the original source of the spores is local.

[timestax]

Our Military has many Moslims! Is it possible that one of our soldiers is on the take from El Quaeida? or at least did the work for religous conviction against this nation? 3 posted on 6/13/02 7:06 AM Pacific by philosofy123 [ Post Reply

This does make sense. In which case they will be scared to confront/arrest the Arab/islamic/muslim muhamid worshiper as to not hurt his/her feelings.

[aristeides]

More Barbara Hatch Rosenberg BS that the press laps up.

[Mitchell]

Ping.

Notice how carefully phrased the FBI statements are. They give a casual reader the impression of referring to a "lone domestic scientist" theory, whereas, in fact, they are perfectly consistent with an act of terrorism by agents of a foreign state or organization. Moreover, the "remote location" at which the spores would have been weaponized could easily have been in another country.

One question here: Why is the FBI supposing that the anthrax was grown clandestinely at Ft. Detrick? Wouldn't it make more sense to sneak out a small sample of spores and then grow them at the "remote location"?

[aristeides]

If the Great Satan's theory is correct, maybe Daschle wouldn't want to publicize that.

[bvw]

Truth or falsity doesn't matter to him, just how the story can be played for his gain.

[Eagle Eye]

I've always believed the FBI is deliberately misleading us,

What? Just because the antrhax was home-grown in a government facility and some members of the administration were on Cipro six weeks before the appearance of the anthrax...Coincidence, simply a coincidence.

[Who is George Salt?]

"...or at least did the work for religous conviction against this nation?"

Like this???

"We are going to build the Kingdom of our God on this continent if we have to turn it into a Bosnia first! Death may find you in front of your one-eyed church of Satan or in the filthy bingo parlors where you worship your devil god, but be sure that you will not escape the consuming fire that is the real baptism of the Holy Ghost, The God of Racial Israel."

The Watchman, 24 November 1995

[chemainus]

I agree with PEACH ...the FBI is fond of LYING and the "coincidence" is far far far far less than a billion to one....do we have Muslim subversives working in our research labs and warfare institutions YES ! all over the place and all their uncles and cousins and sisters and we pay them all to steal our secrets and keep our kids out of Graduate schools and gubbimint jobs....look at the stats for yourself and Chinese and Iranians and Iraguis Too!....who can say "WenHoLee CoverUp" ...very good...who can say "Studebt Visas" ...very good...who can say " Research Associate" ...very good...who can say Financial Aid for Illegals and non-citizens....very good....who pays for it..... YOU ME US .... who doesn't give a damn...Congress, bureaucracy and agencies, Universities and the general education racket

[Mitchell]

I've noticed that Sen. Daschle is much more in favor of war with Iraq this time around, as compared with 1991.

[DemoSmear]

I think you may be right. This article smells. We're led to believe that the FBI is so inept that they'd swing wildly away from this line of inquiry to another, when we know full well that they have more than enough resources to dedicate personnel to multiple lines of inquiry. It's bull.

[eno_]

Who does the Great Stan like? I didn't see his theory.

But I do know that Barbara Hatch Rosenberg is a nutbag. Google up her name and decide for yourself if you believe one word out of her mouth.

[aristeides]

The Great Satan thinks last year's anthrax came from Iraq, and was intended to be a threat of mass killing with biological warfare if this country attacks Iraq. Since then, he thinks, the U.S. has been deterred from attacking.

[eno_]

I agree. Daschle is now an Iraq-hawk. That says a lot.

[okie01]

"Next week, staffers for Sens. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and Tom Daschle, D-S.D., plan to discuss with Rosenberg details of her continuing assessment of the anthrax investigation, including some she believes are too sensitive to publish on the federation's website, said David Carle, a Leahy spokesman."

An ominous alliance: Senate Democrats with Barbara Hatch Rosenberg. I'm sure that will get to the bottom of things.

Is it possible that anthrax will become a political issue in this election? What a travesty that would be.

[Mitchell]

I'd always assumed that Rosenberg was a loose cannon, that some were taking advantage of her statements (the "useful idiot" theory, as some have put it). But maybe she's part of a more organized disinformation campaign?

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[CecilRhodesGhost]

This story will fade away... like Vince Foster, Waco, or JFK years ago, etc. The public is moving on-- (who beyond net news addicts here cares?)... it's assumed that some Islamic folks did it, and that's the end for Joe Sixpack. Perhaps the people behind the Antrax scare are on a Bermuda beach enjoying their wire transfer for the deed. It was an inside job, most likely, based on all these coincidences. And now that the media has entered this dead-end, the govt will run the clock out (a la Vince Foster, Waco, etc.) with drip-drip-drip info till it's really old news that is placed on page 7 instead of page 1 of newspapers.

To me, the Anthrax scare had a TV movie-of-the-week kind of feel to it. Then, add in the fact that several bio-weapon experts (scientists) are dying... perhaps we've all entered some giant episode of Murder She Wrote.

[powderhorn]

the first person to die of Anthrax last year also leased an apartment to Atta

I've seen this statement several times on the net, but have never seen anything to actually back it up. I thought that the first Anthrax victim was the editor of a tabloid newspaper. Can you mention specifics of the Atta connection? The reason why I have a hard time with this version is, if it were true, it would have made BIG headlines in all the papers for a long time.

I met enough military nut cases when I was in the army to know that there are plenty of McVeighs just waiting to happen. Some of those folks need to USE whatever deathly training they've acquired or they're just not happy.

There's a tendency, especially amoung freepers, to demonize liberals and sanctify the conservatives. The notion of another McVeigh type nut out there giving the right a bad name is just too much for some people to take. The reality is that both liberals and conservatives represent different economic blocks. While I favor the conservatives, I see no reason to view them as having a higher moral claim. At the level of elective politics, they both tend to be rascals.

[pepsionice]

The Atta connection was done on purpose...by Mossad. These idiots knew the entire plan. They simply wanted the Arabs to look as bad as possible and took a home sample that one of their boys stole from the Dietrick lab. They never thought we would get this close to their Dietrick lab boy. The FBI has built a decent case, but it will run in circles until they connect the dots back to Mossad.

[Who is George Salt?]

Careful - you're actually talking sense!

Put on your flame-retardant suit.

[philosofy123]

What a guy! You and I know this government bureaucrat in the name of equality/diversity/respect all religions/... has caused a fifth column in our country, and the liberals are fighting us to even attempt to correct this tragedy.

[Nogbad]

I read this article until I saw the name Barbara Hatch Rosenberg. Then I stopped.

[eno_]

No, this is true: The wife of one of the senior editors of an AMI publication, who was exposed to(but not killed by) anthrax at AMI, is a real estate agent who rented TWO apartments to some of the hijackers while they lived in Florida (most of them lived in Florida for a time). Google it up, it has been widely reported. If this is pure coincidence, then bet on my neighbor's goat to win the Triple Crown - it's just as likely.

[ex-snook]

Aha - dirty tricks in the air? Notice Anthrax problems have disappeared. Methinks the FBI knows exactly who was involved and has told them to knock it off. A cover-up is in progress.

[bimbo]

The FBI is obviously desperate to show the anthrax attack to have been conducted by an American – “a right-wing, extremist, militia-type similar to Tim McVeigh.” (Clinton may be gone, but his FBI is still in place.)

[Plummz]

Interesting take.

[My Identity]

Anthrax = Islamic Terrorism

Any scenario other than Islamic terrorism means ALL of the following are just coincidences.

SERIOUS CONNECTIONS

- The most serious bioterror attack in America began only days after 9-11

- The letters all mention standard Islamic catch-phrases.

- Florida Dr. Tsonas treated Ahmed al-Haznawi for a severe leg lesion in late June.
  Dr. Tsonas is now convinced it was cutaneous anthrax.

- Two Johns Hopkins biodefense experts (Dr. Thomas Inglesby, Dr. Tara O'Toole) agree with Tsonas.

- FL hijackers inquire about crop-dusters and dispersal characteristics of chemical loads.

- Atta attempted to obtain a loan to buy a plane and convert it into a chemical transport.

- Moussaoui, the "20th hijacker", had tech info on airliners, crop-dusters, and wind patterns.

- Mohamed Atta went to Huber Drugs (Delray Beach, FL) with red hands during the summer of 2001.
  Druggist thought Atta was suffering from chemical exposure (basic pH -possibly bleach).

- Allah Rakah, detained by FBI, for placing suspicious bag of letters in his car with FL license plates

- Atta met twice with Colonel Muhammed Khalil Ibrahim al-Ani, a "very senior" Iraqi 'Special Ops' agent.
  (one report says the Czechs confirmed they had video...spycraft SOP)
  (Another report claims that a vacumm bottle was passed to Atta during the meeting)

- Ziad Jarrah also met with an Iraqi agent in 2001 in the UAE.

- Marwan al-Shehhi also met with an Iraqi agent in 2001 in the UAE.

- Iraq is the ONLY hostile country known to have succeeded in weaponizing anthrax

- Iraq conducted military exercises simulating the dispersal of anthrax spores from crop-dusters

- The hijackers had two operational hubs: Hamilton, New Jersey and Delray, Florida. Anthrax was found in both areas.

JUST COINCIDENCES??

- The wife of the Sun tabloid's editor rented two apartments to two hijackers In Florida.

- Marwan al-Shehhi went to Huber Drugs (with Atta) with severe chest congestion.
  The pharmacist sold him a bottle of Robitussin initially, and later antibiotics.

[Mitchell]

read this article until I saw the name Barbara Hatch Rosenberg. Then I stopped.

There are actually a couple of interesting things in this article:

First of all, the ideas that FBI agents are said to be pursuing are completely consistent with foreign terrorism; they even mention that the weaponization would have been done in a "remote location." I'd say that that's correct. (By the way, a lab in Asia would be a "remote location.") The Ft. Detrick connection is merely one possibility for where the terrorists obtained their spore samples.

Secondly, it's of interest that Barbara Hatch Rosenberg is meeting with staffers for Sens. Daschle and Leahy. This bodes ill. What is the purpose of this meeting?

[The Great Satan]

Barbara Hatch Rosenberg. Hartford Courant. 'Nuff said.

[Peach]

Too bad the media is too busy pinning the blame on a homegrown terrorist to actually do investigative work and report just a few of the facts you outlined. As they say in the south, I might have been born at night but it wasn't last night. There are far too many coincidences concerning Atta and his co-murderers for it to be anyone else.

[browardchad]

Your link to the PBS interview which mentions a "vacuum bottle passed to Atta" reminded me of a thread posted Wednesday about an INS warning regarding Yemen, directing that "under no circumstances will an inspecting officer open a thermos bottle." The thermos bottle theory supposedly relates to bombs, but one never knows...

[Shermy]

From Mitchell, 6/13/02

"First of all, the ideas that FBI agents are said to be pursuing are completely consistent with foreign terrorism; they even mention that the weaponization would have been done in a "remote location." I'd say that that's correct. (By the way, a lab in Asia would be a "remote location.") The Ft. Detrick connection is merely one possibility for where the terrorists obtained their spore samples.

Secondly, it's of interest that Barbara Hatch Rosenberg is meeting with staffers for Sens. Daschle and Leahy. This bodes ill. What is the purpose of this meeting?"

"This bodes ill".

Mitchell, how prescient you were. With her confrontational meeting with the Senate Staffers and the FBI, she swung the "investigation" to Project Get Hatfill. Perhaps, as said often before, the staffers were impressed with her "profile" crafted to fit Hatfill, plus supporting operations at the time insinuating Hatfill, notably Kristof's "Mr. Z" works.

I suppose no one in a govt., or anywhere, will admit they were duped...so we won't get the details...and if Meselson's intervention with the FBI over "silica" was part of the same game plan.

Just a possible theory...

[FreeAtlanta]

McVeigh was not a conservative nor a Christian. He was an atheist which then aligns him much more with the left than the right. imo

[FreeAtlanta]

I hate to say you sound like a nut, but well.... you do. sorry.

Best theory running is that Saddam was behind it, and we don't want to cause panic that we had been attacked with bios from another nation. Just a hunch.

Personally, I wish, if this is true, now that Saddam is gone, that we release the case. I don't see any possible harm in doing it.

Pre-Iraq, we probably would have been required by our policies to nuke Iraq in retaliation (seems like over kill, but that is the unspoken policy). Now, we have occupied, what is there to loose in revealing the connection?

[Peach]

No, darn it. I missed her.

We need advance notice from her!

[Peach]

FNC just did a segment on that too. Said that Clarke attributed a statement to her that she NEVER made.

He also said that Rumsfeld made a comment at a meeting nad press reports and records put Clarke out of town at the time!

Clarke is a serial liar. A malignant narcissist.

[Persephone Kore]

I suppose no one in a govt., or anywhere, will admit they were duped...

rosenberg... meselson... kristof... all partisans.

partisans, of the left or of the right, have readily predictable reactions. so partisans are easy to manipulate.

yes- rosenberg, et alia, duped govt officials.

but- were they themselves manipulated into doing so?

who first whispered hatfill's name into rosenberg's ear?

[Shermy]

It's possible in that little world he was well known. Reportedly he's no shy dog.

And he might have seemed "right wing"

And the scientist theory, coupled with the "right wing" assumption, even with a patriotic motive, was not created by BHR. So maybe encouraged by the govt. "profile" Hatifll was one of the guys who fit best into it's general assumptions. Then it took off from there, whatever the motives.

[Persephone Kore]

from http://www.nti.org/d_newswire/issues/2001/12/04/8s.html -

Rosenberg said she developed her theories by analyzing publicly available evidence and with input from other scientists, and from "inside" sources.

and later in the article -

"There is explicit speculation floating around the informed bioweapons community in the United States that this might have been diverted from a U.S. biodefense program," said Wheelis.

sounds like someone planted the seed of the idea in her brain, knowing that it would take root and that her left-wing bias would nurture it predictably.

[piasa]

who first whispered hatfill's name into rosenberg's ear?

Dr. Meryle Nass?