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Big Fire In The Southern Cal
6/6/02 | Self

Posted on 06/06/2002 4:36:30 PM PDT by DCBurgess58

As I sit here in the High Desert of southern California, in the town of Palmdale, a pall of white smoke is blocking the sun. My wife called me about twenty minutes ago to ask about the smoke over our house. I went outside and saw that the whole northern horizon was filled with greyish white smoke, from as far as the eye can see. The smoke has now continued expanding and is overhead here. A co-workers wife called to say that the town of Apple Valley some 50 miles east of here is being evacuated. I will post more when I know more of what's going on


TOPICS: Breaking News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: applevalley; fire
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1 posted on 06/06/2002 4:36:31 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: DCBurgess58
Plenty hot today.

I noticed it was hazy here in LA.

2 posted on 06/06/2002 4:37:53 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: DCBurgess58
I will post more when I know more of what's going on

I think something's burning.

3 posted on 06/06/2002 4:38:43 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: tallhappy
I noticed it was hazy here in LA.

Is that a weather report or a mental condition endemic to LA?

4 posted on 06/06/2002 4:39:46 PM PDT by FreePaul
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To: tallhappy
Hotter than the dickens here today, really glad I installed a 5000 cubic feet per minute swamp cooler last summer.
5 posted on 06/06/2002 4:41:18 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: DCBurgess58
It's just locals celebrating the Lakers first win.
6 posted on 06/06/2002 4:42:36 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: DCBurgess58
Is that near Landers?
7 posted on 06/06/2002 4:43:16 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: DCBurgess58
Keep us posted! I used to Live in Tehachapi as well as Ridgecrest for awhile. Seen some might big fires that way before. Hope all goes well!
8 posted on 06/06/2002 4:43:31 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: Sir Gawain
No Watson you idiot, someone's stolen our tent
9 posted on 06/06/2002 4:43:56 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: DCBurgess58
swamp cooler

I had never heard that term until I moved to Ridgecrest. Out in the midwest we call em AC's ;) BTW - what IS the difference between them?
10 posted on 06/06/2002 4:44:57 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
swamp coolers use magic, AC units use electricity!
11 posted on 06/06/2002 4:59:11 PM PDT by montomike
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To: chance33_98
BTW - what IS the difference between them?

BTU's.

12 posted on 06/06/2002 4:59:21 PM PDT by Map Kernow
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To: FreePaul
Is that a weather report or a mental condition endemic to LA?

Concerns the air.

Not too bright are you?

14 posted on 06/06/2002 5:03:14 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: chance33_98
HUGE difference, a swamp cooler is not an air conditioner. It's a box that has a water source attached to it, that saturates a large air filter. A high power fan then sucks the hot outside air through the filter, cooling it to less than 70 degrees and expells the cool air into the house. Unlike the air from an air conditioner, which fills your house from the bottom up, mosture laden air from a swamp cooler will move to any exit you give it, thus allowing you to open a window upstairs and channel the cool air to your bedrooms (or wherever else you wish). The electrical operating cost of my high velocity swamp cooler is the same as a fan, while my friends and co-workers electricity bills go up over $300.00 a month running their air conditioners. I have an AC, but never even bother to turn it on now. The only catch is that swamp coolers only work in dry climates, humidity defeats their ability to cool air.
15 posted on 06/06/2002 5:05:52 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: DCBurgess58
Actuallyl, what is burning is the fire from Saugus yesterday apparently is approaching the Antelope Valley. Yesterday it was burning in San Francisquito cyn. and according to one of my co-workers (who rushed home to check on her animals) they were evacuating Green Valley.

For those in the North L.A. County area, the area is near Lake Elizabeth, Lake Hughes, Leona Valley Area. That puts it North of Castaic Lake and East of I-5.

16 posted on 06/06/2002 5:07:56 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: DCBurgess58
Actuallyl, what is burning is the fire from Saugus yesterday apparently is approaching the Antelope Valley. Yesterday it was burning in San Francisquito cyn. and according to one of my co-workers (who rushed home to check on her animals) they were evacuating Green Valley.

For those in the North L.A. County area, the area is near Lake Elizabeth, Lake Hughes, Leona Valley Area. That puts it North of Castaic Lake and East of I-5.

17 posted on 06/06/2002 5:07:59 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: stumpy
Thanks stumpy.
18 posted on 06/06/2002 5:31:13 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: DCBurgess58
>As I sit here in the High Desert of southern California, in the town of Palmdale, a pall of white smoke is blocking the sun...

Don't be alarmed. It's just Billy the Mountain and his stunning wife Ethell (a tree) cashing in on his royalties and heading off to Las Vegas to check out the lounges, pull a few handles, and drink a few beers...

-- KotS

Billy The Mountain -- the libretto

19 posted on 06/06/2002 5:55:05 PM PDT by KissOfTheSith
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To: cmsgop
Major power lines are in danger..........500,000 homes may be subject to power outages........


20 posted on 06/06/2002 6:11:06 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: KissOfTheSith
Thanks and a big Frank Zappa bump to ya... He went to Antelope Valley High School in Lancaster (I work in Palmdale at Air Force Plant 42 but live 5 minutes away in Lancaster) along with Don Van Vliet, alias Captain Beefheart.
21 posted on 06/06/2002 6:26:42 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: hole_n_one
I appreciate the pictures, you wouldn't believe the amount of smoke in the air here. You can actually look right at the sun for a few moments without it hurting your eyes. The sun is a beutiful color of red through the filter of the smoke.
22 posted on 06/06/2002 6:30:05 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: hole_n_one
Thanks!
23 posted on 06/06/2002 6:37:02 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: DCBurgess58
How far are you from Moreno Valley? I have a kid who is moving there next week. I'll have to tell her about those swamp coolers. She's an easterner and hates excessive heat. I wonder if she'll like it there in Mo Valley.
24 posted on 06/06/2002 6:39:40 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: tallhappy
tallhappy, I'd wager you've had few pops already this evening.
25 posted on 06/06/2002 6:40:38 PM PDT by freedomson
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To: DCBurgess58
Every time I hear of a fire, I remember those ominous words spoken by some terrorist on TV a while back. Something to the effect that America will feel the fire under her feet.
26 posted on 06/06/2002 6:45:46 PM PDT by maxter
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To: KissOfTheSith
Here's a pithy forecast for the Mojave Desert area tomorrow:

Windy. Afternoon southwest wind 25 to 35 mph with gusts to 45 mph. Mostly sunny and not as hot. Highs around 115.

Yikes! Who would want to live anyplace where 115 degrees is regarded as "not as hot."
I lived out there for a year on the Marine Corps base in 29 Palms. Thank God for swamp coolers, that's all I can tell you.

27 posted on 06/06/2002 6:48:00 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Palladin
Moreno Valley is about 70 miles due south east. It's just south of San Bernadino. My swamp cooler cost about $900.00 to buy and install (this is a top of the line model from mastercool), and I got a $70.00 rebate from California for installing an energy saving device. It paid for itself in a mere 3 months with low energy bills. It can be 110 degrees out but my family are cool as cucumbers, we love it. Good luck to your daughter, they may call California the "left coast" but she's moving to Reagan/Bush/Dole/Bush country.

P.S. Tell her to buy a swamp cooler

28 posted on 06/06/2002 7:05:10 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: DCBurgess58
Small world, nine yrs. ago i lived across the alafala field from plant 42 on East ave L ,Lancaster used to see the space shuttle and interesting planes going in and out of there.
I now live in the peoples republic of Eugene ,Oregon aka moscow on the willamette.
Suzyq5558
29 posted on 06/06/2002 7:32:25 PM PDT by suzyq5558
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To: DCBurgess58
Doesn't a liberal God live in a tree? Well, she's dead now! There must be weeping and gnashing of teeth in Ca.!
30 posted on 06/06/2002 7:32:59 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: tallhappy, doug from upland
"of suspicious nature"
31 posted on 06/06/2002 8:04:38 PM PDT by flamefront
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To: flamefront
Good grief. The terrorist bastards in our country don't even need bombs. They could just set fires everywhere.
32 posted on 06/06/2002 8:12:29 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: flamefront
SANTA CLARITA, Calif. (AP) -- A wildfire raging across 10,000 acres in Los Angeles County burned at least five homes Thursday and forced about 1,000 people to flee the area, fire officials said.

At one point, the blaze threatened to trigger rolling blackouts as it burned under power lines supplying Southern California, said Paul Klein, spokesman for Southern California Edison. But the threat of blackouts passed by evening as the fire began to burn away from the lines.

About 1,000 people in the rural Green Valley area about 10 miles north of Santa Clarita were ordered to leave, said inspector Armando Carrillo of the Los Angeles County Fire Department. At least five homes were destroyed, Carrillo said.

``It's an inferno right now,'' said California Highway Patrol Officer Doug Sweeney, who was escorting residents out of town. ``It's quite difficult for everyone concerned, they're panicking.''

Residents of a rehabilitation center in Warm Springs and state inmates who were working as volunteer firefighters evacuated from their camps, said fire inspector Kurt Schaefer.

The cause of the fire was not immediately known, but authorities considered it suspicious. The blaze was about 20 percent contained Thursday night.

``High temperatures, erratic winds and steep terrain are making fighting the fire very difficult,'' said fire Capt. Brian Jordan.

Many residents who had been at work as the fire grew tried to return to their homes but were turned away by authorities.

``They said I may lose my house tomorrow,'' said Green Valley resident Chris Lawrence, tears welling in his eyes.

The wildfire is among the largest that have burned across more than 25,000 acres of California brush and forest since last week.

To the northwest in Ventura County, more than 1,700 firefighters and nearly two-dozen aircraft battled a wildfire burning over more than 11,700 acres in Los Padres National Forest north of Ojai, a community of 7,900.

The blaze has destroyed four ranch structures.

In the San Bernardino National Forest 60 miles east of Los Angeles, a blaze covering 2,688 acres was 95 percent surrounded.

33 posted on 06/06/2002 8:32:48 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: doug from upland
You do recall what happened in the city in 1992?
34 posted on 06/06/2002 8:40:19 PM PDT by flamefront
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To: flamefront
Hello to all my pals in Idlewild.
35 posted on 06/06/2002 9:06:26 PM PDT by Francohio
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To: flamefront
What happened in '92? Clinton?
36 posted on 06/06/2002 9:15:21 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: DCBurgess58
We had the huge industrial swamp coolers at our hangar when I was stationed in Nevada. Worst thing about them is the smell when you first start them up after the winter.
37 posted on 06/06/2002 9:33:09 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: freedomson
I'd wager you've had few pops already this evening.

What's a pop?

38 posted on 06/06/2002 9:57:13 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: doug from upland
The question is, How will Greyout take advantage of the fires? Blame Simon?
39 posted on 06/06/2002 10:21:35 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: DCBurgess58
Where do you find those? I'm thinking of installing A/C this month but I'm looking at over $3,000. Will swamp coolers work nearer the coast? I'm in Ventura County.
40 posted on 06/06/2002 10:28:29 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Big Meanie, Chance33_98
A swamp cooler relies on the heat of vaporization of water to remove heat from the air which cycles through it. An AC relies on the heat of vaporization of some form of Freon (typically DuPont patented) in a separate flow circuit which cools air passing through a heat exchanger to cool the air which cycles through it. The amount of heat required to convert a pound of water to vapor is around a 1000 BTUs depending on the temperature and pressure. For R-12, a common refrigerant (currently outlawed), it it takes around 60 BTUs to convert a pound depending on the temperature and pressure.
41 posted on 06/06/2002 11:17:08 PM PDT by Rockitz
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To: KissOfTheSith
But wait, where oh where is Studebaker Hawk? I hadn't though of that ablum in a long time.

Some Aunt Jemima syrup, some Kaisier(sp) Broiler foil and a pair of blunt scissors....

42 posted on 06/06/2002 11:38:13 PM PDT by Brad C.
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To: doug from upland
What happened in '92? Clinton?

Rodney King Riots burned up the ghetto...

43 posted on 06/07/2002 3:28:01 AM PDT by BullDog108
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To: doug from upland
The multiple arsons of the 92 riots - 54 people dead, more than 1,100 buildings destroyed or damaged, some $1 billion in property damage.

Arson was another way that some people vented their rage of various kinds. Fire Chief Donald Manning was quoted as saying that the Los Angeles Fire Dept. has responded to more than 3,600 fires in the past three days. Further, he commented that at given times during the past two days, the L.A.F.D. was receiving calls for three (3) fires every minute. He said that this level of need for service far exceeded the department's ability to respond and that this call volume was five (5) times that of normal.

44 posted on 06/07/2002 5:27:55 AM PDT by flamefront
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To: flamefront
Duh, of course. Mad Maxine verbally fueled the fires and they burned down the town.
45 posted on 06/07/2002 6:21:02 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: DCBurgess58; all
Here is a post that I posted re N. California yesterday. (link).

I have no idea what the warnings for the Southland are. However there is an updated map on this thread showing the wind advisory areas and potential fire hazard areas. The area in the Southland area has been growing since yesterday.

This is a great weather service and advisory service. Go to one of my replies with the link to the service to sign up.

Then store the map to check on the area. This is the map that updates on a regular basis. The Orange areas are the high wind and fire hazard areas. This report is the one that the various fire fighting agencies get:

Good luck down there. Fires in California are truly dangersous and scary!

46 posted on 06/07/2002 8:18:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: DCBurgess58
Is this anywhere near Simi Valley, Moorpark area? Someone help please?
47 posted on 06/07/2002 9:10:49 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: DCBurgess58
Don Van Vliet
I still practice his excellent method of ant control. He recommended just putting a jar lid of sugar water out in the garden...
48 posted on 06/07/2002 9:19:16 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: Republicus2001
a jar lid of sugar water out in the garden..

does that really work? What / how?? Seems that here lately, my back yard is being taken over by the little critters.

Thanks in advance for any info.

LVM

49 posted on 06/07/2002 10:47:48 AM PDT by LasVegasMac
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To: LasVegasMac
a jar lid of sugar water out in the garden.. does that really work? What / how??

they just shuffle their little tiny ant feet back and forth from their nest to the jar lid, bypassing your home, kitchen etc. - n'est-pas?
50 posted on 06/07/2002 11:47:50 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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