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Texas Freepers, They're Setting Us Up!
The Houston Chronicle | 6/04/2002 | self

Posted on 06/04/2002 11:27:01 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX

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To: RikaStrom
I didn't know that. I grew up in the Klein School District. =)
61 posted on 06/04/2002 3:32:05 PM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: Pining_4_TX
Better hold on to your hat's down there, feel's like a storm brewing! Start your fight now. Blackbird.
62 posted on 06/04/2002 3:59:41 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: WellsFargo94
The other one-third would be dedicated to education

Uh huh. Just like the lottery proceeds.
Do you not understand these are politicians?
They make promises to get the money and then do whatever they please with it.
Only 20% of us are engaged, the rest of the voters only want their beer and bass boat.

63 posted on 06/05/2002 5:41:01 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: tangerine
In fact it now costs $39.50 for an inspection in Houston, Dallas or Fort Worth.

Holy CRAP. Walll p!ss on mah boots... It's $10 up here... Oh well hopefully I'll be rich and famous and can afford an annual $40 AND all my vices...

64 posted on 06/05/2002 5:57:31 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: Pining_4_TX
A income tax bill must go to voter referendum to be created or rate increased.

Most folks I know are fine with sales tax/property tax, not the rate, but the idea. It keeps the fire to the feet of the politicos.
'course I don't hang around with Houston Chronicle or Austin Amerikan-Socialist editorial writers.

65 posted on 06/05/2002 5:59:29 AM PDT by dread78645
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To: PetroniDE
Ironically, it is because of the Gulf (cooler water) that Houston is on average about 5 degrees cooler than Dallas in the summertime

Yeah, due to the higher specific gravity of water. But wondering why DFW would have the same humidity levels...

66 posted on 06/05/2002 6:02:41 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: christine11
;)
67 posted on 06/05/2002 6:04:16 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: Pining_4_TX
Didn't they try this state income tax thing years ago when I was a kid, it has to be voted on, I think, and it was soundly defeated. I don't know, now that we have so may outsiders in Texas, what will happen.

One thing you can count on is vote fraud so that will have to be watched very, very closely. Texas has a 7.8% sales tax, I consider that a fair and evenly distributed tax. Austin is just going to have to get by with that.

68 posted on 06/05/2002 6:04:58 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Aggie Mama
Klein's a pretty area, I'm a little bit south of there but I go to the used bookstore up near Klein High School. :-)
69 posted on 06/05/2002 6:18:48 AM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: PetroniDE
the truth is that there will NEVER be a state income tax in Texas for various state constitutional and political reasons.

I think it's just around the corner. The border area is in big economic trouble and local property taxes are extremely high and aren't close to doing the job. Look at the money being sent to the border counties already ---and they need a lot more.

70 posted on 06/05/2002 6:26:47 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: grobdriver
And don't even think that an income tax will replace the property tax, or even reduce it.

No, it will not do either. It will be supplemental. What they fail to see, it would hurt our economy, which would mean less revenue from taxes, which would mean taxes would have to be raised to make up for it, which would again hurt the economy, and so on, and we spiral down into bad times.

Normally I would dismiss this, but having attended some of the GOP and libertarian strategy sessions as of late, Conservatives are vulnerable in several areas in the state. The public face everybody is putting on is that we are going to do fine. The private one is sweating bullets.

71 posted on 06/05/2002 6:29:45 AM PDT by texlok
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To: Pining_4_TX
A fallout from this is that the Union might get an extra 4 states as Texans get pissed off at Austin and exercise their Treaty rights.
72 posted on 06/05/2002 6:30:19 AM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: FITZ
The border area is in big economic trouble and local property taxes are extremely high and aren't close to doing the job. Look at the money being sent to the border counties already ---and they need a lot more.

There is another solution: It is called CUTTING THEIR SPENDING...... Border areas are spending too much money on things they have no business spending it on. THEY NEED TO CUT SPENDING. Individuals and families do it.

73 posted on 06/05/2002 6:36:27 AM PDT by PetroniDE
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To: Centurion2000
Texans are being quickly outnumbered by immigrants from Mexico and Perry is promising free college to their kids ---how else will that get paid for? Demographics of Texas is changing.
74 posted on 06/05/2002 6:37:53 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: PetroniDE
Have you seen where Perry is suggesting free college to the border residents? And over 1/3 of people in border counties lack health insurance but expect to receive health care.

Poverty grips U.S. border

75 posted on 06/05/2002 6:40:28 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
I've seen it.... I've also seen where illegal aliens get in-state tuition rates at Texas four year colleges. If Perry keeps it up, he will alienate the conservative base and will LOSE in November.

All politicians do is SPEND SPEND SPEND...

I have an idea. If they ever pass a state income tax, Everybody in Texas should immediately quit their job and go on the public trough..... Everyone gettin' and nobody givin'. That will teach the state.

76 posted on 06/05/2002 6:45:31 AM PDT by PetroniDE
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To: maxwell
What is Virginia's personal income tax rate these days? I had to pay it one year when I was living there, in the Navy.

About 12 years ago, the last time the Houston papers were all beating the drum, here is what happened:

1. The power elite huddled in a series of meetings at which the then-lieutenant governor (more power than the governor) peddled the idea of a state income tax.

2. The newspaper moguls attended the meeting but weren't interviewed by newsies as they came out......gross misfeasance by the newsies. The attendees all played coy about what was discussed, saying only that it was an adult conversation (we weren't invited, naturally) about the state's dire fiscal crisis and the severe, crying need for "tax reform".

3. The papers ran a concerted political campaign, with one of their political reporters (led by Felton West, who never met a tax he didn't like -- he was an old-school LBJ Democrat -- and Mickey Herskowitz) taking a turn about once a week to boom up the income tax.

4. The papers ran major spreads showing how wonderful a state income tax would be for us, and it would only be 5%, that'd be all the State would need. Ever. (They lied, but that's okay, if you're leading.) The papers tried to "prove" that Texas absolutely, positively needed the revenue.

5. A badly-timed article broke in one of the newsmags, in which the California tax situation and fiscal crisis was laid bare. It turned out, from numbers in the article, that just like Texas, California was assessing high property taxes (the ones the Texas tax-liars were telling us would go down, if only, but only, we would support a state income tax), high sales taxes, and numerous fees and other taxes and charges, PLUS a 9.3% personal income tax on top of it all, which the legislature was getting ready to raise -- again. Californians were paying total taxes per-capita 50% higher than Texans -- and they were still in fiscal crisis !

6. State comptroller John Sharpe (now running for Lt. Governor) released a budget-scrubbing report detailing hundreds of millions in missed, underpaid, underreported, squandered, or otherwise maladministered funds. Texas needed a state income tax -- not!

7. The chairman of the state senatorial committee overseeing the bill was beaten at the polls. Not long afterward, one of his key lieutenants in the process was killed in a taxiway collision during an airshow.

8. The State of Texas proceeded to enjoy several years of continued state government that did not need, and was untroubled by talk of, a state income tax.

77 posted on 06/05/2002 6:54:21 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: dread78645
A income tax bill must go to voter referendum to be created or rate increased.

That was a Bob Bullock ploy, a stratagem. Watch and see how they use it. They'll use it like a buck knife, you'll see.

78 posted on 06/05/2002 7:00:57 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: grobdriver
Sure I understand that they are politicians, and I respect that it's your state and not mine. Wanting to get more information I read the editorial and was just passing along some information. If I were in your cowboy boots I'd be strapping on my holster for a big political fight too! Good luck and may you have many others to join the cause.
79 posted on 06/05/2002 8:49:32 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: PetroniDE
I may not bother voting for Perry --if buying votes with my tax money is the only way he can win an election, he can lose it for all I care. I'll end up paying my own kids' college and every one else's who makes the effort to relocate over the border.
80 posted on 06/05/2002 10:35:46 AM PDT by FITZ
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