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Texas Freepers, They're Setting Us Up!
The Houston Chronicle | 6/04/2002 | self

Posted on 06/04/2002 11:27:01 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX

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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Hey, I just realized that I stood you up on that beer I owe you. I guess I'm having more senior moments, because I can't even remember how you determined that I owed it. Yikes!
21 posted on 06/04/2002 12:32:58 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Pining_4_TX
Here are some starting points google turned up:

http://advocate4texas.4mg.com/newpage5.htm

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/

http://www.governor.state.tx.us/

http://www.lbb.state.tx.us/

http://www.window.state.tx.us/txgovinf/tbs.html

http://204.65.49.78:81/

http://www.utexas.edu/lbj/pubs/books/budget.html

http://www.protex.org/

22 posted on 06/04/2002 12:40:37 PM PDT by GailA
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To: WellsFargo94
Remember that the Texas Constitution guarantees that an income tax cannot be adopted without a statewide referendum. And if we adopt an income tax, two-thirds of the revenue would go to cut property taxes. The other one-third would be dedicated to education. The Legislature couldn't even raise the tax rate without going back to voters for approval. That's all in the Constitution.

I was the subcommittee platform chairman on economics at the 2000 Repub. State Convention. We deliberated on whether to include a repudiation on the idea of state income tax (as had existed in previous year platforms), and so many of us thought and agreed that no-one in the Republican party wanted it, so why even discuss it.

It may be best to include a statement in that regard this year, just to be very emphatic and clear to our Repub elected officials. Sometimes they need help connecting the dots...
23 posted on 06/04/2002 1:17:49 PM PDT by ricer1
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To: maxwell
Not! Houston is what DFW wants to be - a REAL big city, not one that had to join its next-door neighbor to be considered big. Houston is a fabulous place - I speak from 33 years here. What kind of lies have people been telling you? :)
24 posted on 06/04/2002 1:23:20 PM PDT by Xenalyte
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To: Xenalyte
What kind of lies have people been telling you? :)

Ohhhhh that it's too damn HOT AND HUMID, and traffic sucks, and it's got too many damn liberals, and other stuff like that, chickie... ;)

25 posted on 06/04/2002 1:24:56 PM PDT by maxwell
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To: Dog Gone
Hey, I just realized that I stood you up on that beer I owe you. I guess I'm having more senior moments, because I can't even remember how you determined that I owed it. Yikes!

Yes you did stand me up! If you can't remember why then I guess I should say you owe me two beers, on the assumption you won’t be sure about that either! Now if we add one for interest accrued for standing me up .....................

26 posted on 06/04/2002 1:25:26 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: maxwell
Just stay out of Harris County... Surrounding counties of Houston are nice.
27 posted on 06/04/2002 1:28:40 PM PDT by PetroniDE
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To: maxwell
"Too" is a relative term; I find anything west of San Antonio unbearably dry. (Humidity is what keeps us looking so young!)

If you're worried about lefties, just stay away from Austin. Place is crawling with 'em.

Other than that, we have the coolest beer, the tastiest BBQ, the most excellent steak (by FAR), and the hottest ladies! (After all, it's common knowledge that Texas women outshine all others.)
28 posted on 06/04/2002 1:30:04 PM PDT by Xenalyte
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To: PetroniDE
Well I was down in Huntsville for a conference a year or so ago-- nice green rolling country, there... Not bad... I'm ready for a flatter drier scene though...
29 posted on 06/04/2002 1:30:40 PM PDT by maxwell
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To: Xenalyte
ROFLMAO! You are too funny. =) I've lived in Houston just about all of my life too.
30 posted on 06/04/2002 1:31:17 PM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: PetroniDE
It depends WHERE in Harris Co. I think the NW side is just fine as are most of the outlying suburbs.
31 posted on 06/04/2002 1:32:30 PM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: maxwell; Xenalyte
Ohhhhh that it's too damn HOT AND HUMID, and traffic sucks, and it's got too many damn liberals, and other stuff like that, chickie... ;)

Dallas is even hotter and more humid in the summer. In addition, on occassion, Dallas has to worry about that dreaded white stuff called SNOW. Traffic is just as bad in Dallas, and there are just as many liberals. Houston has that new football team, instead of that team called the Cowboys. And the Astros usually wait until after the Rangers to tank the season.

32 posted on 06/04/2002 1:34:24 PM PDT by PetroniDE
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To: Xenalyte; RikaStrom; WhyisaTexasGirlinPA; christine11
Well I kinda dig the flat stark dry look, chickie... Get me an ol' leathery tan John Wayne exterior, look like I've lived there mah whole life bowlegged with mah boots on... Bwahaha...

(After all, it's common knowledge that Texas women outshine all others.)

Well in light of the beauteous Misses Rika, Why, and christine, I'd have to say you're well researched, chickie... Present company included, of course... ;)

33 posted on 06/04/2002 1:37:16 PM PDT by maxwell
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To: PetroniDE
Dallas has to worry about that dreaded white stuff called SNOW.

Yeah well I've heard about the tornado activity and whatnot they've been getting the past few months... I ain't phased. Houston's too close to the ocean. Folks tell me it's humider and that makes sense. Maybe I'll just have to check it out and do a personal comparison when I mosey on down for a visit in a month or so...

34 posted on 06/04/2002 1:39:26 PM PDT by maxwell
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To: maxwell
The same can be said for Dallas. I've lived in both Dallas and Houston, and although I'm sure many Texans will disagree, I think Dallas has the worse traffic and weather of the two. They are both hot and humid, but Dallas actually gets hotter. Also, you are more likely to have to endure one of those awful ice storms in Dallas. IMHO, Dallas drivers are even nuttier than the ones in Houston. My favorite Texas city is San Antonio, and if anyone has eaten at Alamo Cafe and Tom's Ribs, you know two of the reasons why. :) Plus, I just think SA is a very charming place.

As for the discussion of whether Texas voters would stand for a state income tax, I'm afraid that the vast influx of immigrants who are now citizens may work in favor of the liberals. It's the reason they have let the border turn into a sieve.

35 posted on 06/04/2002 1:39:38 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Dog Gone
Every major Texas newspaper has been pushing for a state income tax for years. Down here, the Corpus Christi "Ca-Ca" Times has never seen a tax increase it has never liked. Everytime there is a mention of low state revenues they come out with the usual line about a state income tax and how the property tax hurts the poor. How that happens since the poor more than likely live in low income housing or apartments I don't know. If the state legislature remains Democrat after this election and Tony Sanchez gets the governorship don't put it past them to try a state income tax. Heck the legislature doesn't even have to be Democrat because we have enough RINOs that would support the income tax.

The truth to the matter is that in some of these "property poor" school district, the school bureacracy is beyond a mess. Before they dare ask for a tax increase of state income tax, these school districts need a good scrubbing.

36 posted on 06/04/2002 1:40:22 PM PDT by The South Texan
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To: Pining_4_TX
Well to do so will require the changes as outlined in the Texas State Constitution......

The Texas Constitution

Article 8 - TAXATION AND REVENUE

Section 24 - PERSONAL INCOME TAX; DEDICATION OF PROCEEDS

(a) A general law enacted by the legislature that imposes a tax on the net incomes of natural persons, including a person's share of partnership and unincorporated association income, must provide that the portion of the law imposing the tax not take effect until approved by a majority of the registered voters voting in a statewide referendum held on the question of imposing the tax. The referendum must specify the rate of the tax that will apply to taxable income as defined by law.
(b) A general law enacted by the legislature that increases the rate of the tax, or changes the tax, in a manner that results in an increase in the combined income tax liability of all persons subject to the tax may not take effect until approved by a majority of the registered voters voting in a statewide referendum held on the question of increasing the income tax. A determination of whether a bill proposing a change in the tax would increase the combined income tax liability of all persons subject to the tax must be made by comparing the provisions of the proposed change in law with the provisions of the law for the most recent year in which actual tax collections have been made. A referendum held under this subsection must specify the manner in which the proposed law would increase the combined income tax liability of all persons subject to the tax.
(c) Except as provided by Subsection (b) of this section, the legislature may amend or repeal a tax approved by the voters under this section without submitting the amendment or the repeal to the voters as provided by Subsection (a) of this section.
(d) If the legislature repeals a tax approved by the voters under this section, the legislature may reenact the tax without submitting the reenactment to the voters as provided by Subsection (a) of this section only if the effective date of the reenactment of the tax is before the first anniversary of the effective date of the repeal.
(e) The legislature may provide for the taxation of income in a manner which is consistent with federal law.
(f) In the first year in which a tax described by Subsection (a) is imposed and during the first year of any increase in the tax that is subject to Subsection (b) of this section, not less than two-thirds of all net revenues remaining after payment of all refunds allowed by law and expenses of collection from the tax shall be used to reduce the rate of ad valorem maintenance and operation taxes levied for the support of primary and secondary public education. In subsequent years, not less than two-thirds of all net revenues from the tax shall be used to continue such ad valorem tax relief.
(g) The net revenues remaining after the dedication of money from the tax under Subsection (f) of this section shall be used for support of education, subject to legislative appropriation, allocation, and direction.
(h) The maximum rate at which a school district may impose ad valorem maintenance and operation taxes is reduced by an amount equal to one cent per $100 valuation for each one cent per $100 valuation that the school district's ad valorem maintenance and operation tax is reduced by the minimum amount of money dedicated under Subsection (f) of this section, provided that a school district may subsequently increase the maximum ad valorem maintenance and operation tax rate if the increased maximum rate is approved by a majority of the voters of the school district voting at an election called and held for that purpose. The legislature by general law shall provide for the tax relief that is required by Subsection (f) and this subsection.
(i) Subsections (f) and (h) of this section apply to ad valorem maintenance and operation taxes levied by a school district on or after the first January 1 after the date on which a tax on the net incomes of natural persons, including a person's share of partnership and unincorporated association income, begins to apply to that income, except that if the income tax begins to apply on a January 1, Subsections (f) and (h) of this section apply to ad valorem maintenance and operation taxes levied on or after that date.
(j) A provision of this section prevails over a conflicting provision of Article VII, Section 3, of this Constitution to the extent of the conflict. (Added Nov. 2, 1993.)

37 posted on 06/04/2002 1:42:48 PM PDT by deport
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To: Smartaleck
Thank you Smart...and we're going to be doing it again on June 19th, hopefully for the last time this year! They'll be back again next year, whinning we need your money, and we'll be right outside, telling them NO!!!!
38 posted on 06/04/2002 1:44:21 PM PDT by D. Miles
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To: PetroniDE
And the Astros usually wait until after the Rangers to tank the season.

LOL! The Rangers really look bad this year, don't they? Although lately the Stros have been trying to sink to their level. I still think they should have renamed Enron Field "Chapter 11 Field". However, "Mattress Mac Field" has kind of a ring to it, too. :)

And yes, Austin is the pits. My aunt lives there and she says it's a hick town that thinks it's sophisticated.

39 posted on 06/04/2002 1:44:42 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: maxwell
why you darlin' thing you...thank you for the compliment. i'd love to have you down here in texas!

how's about a texas tickle or two?

40 posted on 06/04/2002 1:46:50 PM PDT by christine
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