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Ice "Oceans" found on Mars
BBC News - Science and Technology (Linked via DRUDGE REPORT) ^ | Monday, 27 May, 2002, 09:31 GMT 10:31 UK | By Dr David Whitehouse - BBC News Online science editor

Posted on 05/27/2002 8:58:45 AM PDT by vannrox


The findings were made by the Mars Odyssey spacecraft.


Ice reservoirs found on Mars


By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor



Water-ice has been found in vast quantities just below the surface across great swathes of the planet Mars.


The finding by the American space agency (Nasa) is undoubtedly one of the most important made about the Red Planet.


It solves one of its deepest mysteries, points the way for manned exploration and reignites the question of whether life may exist on the planet.


Insiders suggest that, partly as a result of this finding, Nasa may now commit itself to a manned landing within 20 years.


Where the water went




The US space agency will make the dramatic announcement about the water-ice next Thursday. And full disclosure of the findings will come in the journal Science later that day.


The discovery was made by the Mars Odyssey spacecraft, which has been gathering data since late last year.


It confirms early observations that also pointed to enormous reservoirs of ice just below the surface.


This finding will answer a question that has puzzled Mars researchers for decades: many lines of evidence suggest that the Red Planet was water-rich in the past, so where did all that water go?


The answer appears to be that it is in the regolith - the layer of loose rock and dust on the surface.


Mars Odyssey has been returning high-quality data about Mars' surface composition.



Ice shows up blue on the gamma-ray spectrometer.


The spacecraft contains an instrument called a gamma-ray spectrometer that looks for gamma-rays (high-energy light) with a specific signature showing that they come from hydrogen less than one metre (three feet) beneath the Martian surface.


Astronomers believe that the hydrogen is locked up in crystals of ice.


Moon discovery




The same design of instrument was used on the Lunar Prospector spacecraft that discovered ice in the shadowed regions of the Moon's poles in 1998.


Also on board Mars Odyssey is a neutron spectrometer that registers evidence for underground ice in the same regions of the planet.


Researchers were amazed at the strength of the signal of the ice. They had expected to take a year to gather enough evidence but managed to do so in just a few weeks.


They announced preliminary findings in March but now have good data confirming large amounts of the water-ice just beneath the surface south of 60 degrees latitude.


Researchers suspect the same to be true of the northern hemisphere, but cannot make the appropriate observations until later this year due to the Martian winter in the north.



The discovery may indicate areas on Mars where scientists can search for life forms




Nasa scientists were scheduled to hold a major news conference on Thursday when they would say that their earlier findings had been confirmed and extended. But this may be brought forward after a British newspaper leaked the news.


Look for life




The dramatic discovery may also guide the selection of future landing and exploration sites on Mars, and may suggest areas to look for evidence of past life.


The presence of such a vast amount of ice - if it were to melt it could cover the planet in an ocean at least 500 metres deep (1,640 feet) - will change profoundly the direction of future exploration.


Although landing probes are planned - the European Beagle 2 and Nasa's twin Mars rovers next year - neither are targeted at the region where the ice may exist.


The Mars Polar Lander was to touch down in exactly the right spot in 1999 and would have undoubtedly detected the ice had it not malfunctioned on the way down.


Having water just below the surface will be an enormous boon to astronauts on Mars.


Water is essential for life, so the discovery enhances the belief that Mars could have had life in the past and perhaps in the present as well.


Because of this, bringing a sample of the ice and rock back to Earth by an unmanned sample return probe will become a top priority.


BBC News Online will report the full technical details of the Odyssey discovery when they appear in the journal Science on Thursday.





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Very exciting. I couldn't find it posted on FR after a search I I posted this. If it was posted previously please accept my apologies.
1 posted on 05/27/2002 8:58:45 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
What's so exciting, exactly? Oooh! Water on mars! Big deal. Book-mark this link. Return to it after the probe takes ice samples. Quote me: They will not find any traces of life. Watch.
2 posted on 05/27/2002 9:02:21 AM PDT by Exnihilo
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To: vannrox
It's posted here but that's OK, as there have been 10 or 20 threads on poor Chandra.

This is truly amazing and a profound discovery. The chances of life being found on the planet could be great. Micro organisms could very well exist on this planet or just under the surface

This is a tremendous discovery.

3 posted on 05/27/2002 9:03:57 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Exnihilo
What's so exciting, exactly?

A few people back in 1492 probably said the same thing about the New World. Did you read the part where there's enough water to cover the planet in earth-like oceans? If we created some genetically-engineered primative life forms that could live on Mars we could eventually turn the place into Earth II.

5 posted on 05/27/2002 9:11:14 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: vannrox
Water is essential for life, so the discovery enhances the belief that Mars could have had life in the past and perhaps in the present as well. Because of this, bringing a sample of the ice and rock back to Earth by an unmanned sample return probe will become a top priority.

Andromeda Strain?

6 posted on 05/27/2002 9:11:53 AM PDT by VMI70
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To: vannrox
This proves to be very interesting. Now if NASA will get off it's dead behind and start making moves to colonize the moon, we have a decent shot at Mars. Perhaps a MANNED mission to Mars would be in the works, if the Eco-Nazis didn't have them working on all this Earthbound scientific nonsense. I would hope that this would change the dynamic of NASA's mission, and bring about the changes within necessary for our country to pull back in front of the Space Race. I'd hate to see China be the first people on the moon in 30 years, let alone Mars. Colonizing the Moon, is the best chance at hittin Mars Period.
7 posted on 05/27/2002 9:23:27 AM PDT by MadRobotArtist
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To: Reeses
Did you read the part where there's enough water to cover the planet in earth-like oceans?

I saw that. If true, why doesn't it anyway? What conditions need to be met to create a state of earth-like oceans on Mars?

8 posted on 05/27/2002 9:33:56 AM PDT by BradyLS
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To: vannrox
The presence of such a vast amount of ice - if it were to melt it could cover the planet in an ocean at least 500 metres deep (1,640 feet) - will change profoundly the direction of future exploration.

For years NASA would not say water was on Mars despite positive proof, at least publicly. They would dragged their feet poo poing the idea. It took something like this to hit them over the head where they could not deny water exists.

9 posted on 05/27/2002 9:37:28 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: vannrox
Very interesting, but

Insiders suggest that, partly as a result of this finding, Nasa may now commit itself to a manned landing within 20 years.

should read: "Insiders suggest that, partly as a result of this finding, Nasa may now commit your money taken from you without your consent to a manned landing within 20 years.

10 posted on 05/27/2002 9:37:48 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: RightWhale
Ping

Any thoughts?

11 posted on 05/27/2002 9:39:57 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: Exnihilo
What's so exciting, exactly? Oooh! Water on mars! Big deal. Book-mark this link. Return to it after the probe takes ice samples. Quote me: They will not find any traces of life.

They may not even find traces of water. This was discovered from orbit, not from actual samples.

They wasted no time using this discovery to call for a manned Mars landing. I'm not saying there is no water on Mars and I'm all in favor of exploration, but this sounds more like a play for more funding then an actual discovery to me.

12 posted on 05/27/2002 9:41:46 AM PDT by Balto_Boy
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To: VMI70
"Andromeda Strain?"

I would doubt that, but it's certainly something to consider.

13 posted on 05/27/2002 9:42:11 AM PDT by IoCaster
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NASA to put man on Mars
THE US space exploration agency NASA will this week announce plans to put a man on Mars, following the discovery of huge ice fields beneath the planet's surface – which means astronauts 42 million kilometres from home could have fresh water, if not on tap, at least on hand.

At a conference of planetary scientists in Washington, Jim Garvin, head of the Mars exploration program at NASA, will say the agency plans to send a manned mission to the red planet within 20 years.

Until now, nobody has seriously planned such a mission because of the impossibility of providing enough water.

Mr Garvin will disclose that NASA's Martian explorer satellite, Odyssey, has detected millions of tonnes of ice underground. The deposits are so big they could be the remains of former oceans. If so, there is a good chance the planet once held life.

The presence of ice means astronauts could mine for what could be potable mineral water. Geological evidence shows areas where ice appears to have melted near the Martian equator and burst to the surface.

Abundant supplies, scientists say, could enable them to create conditions suitable for colonising Mars.

NASA tentatively announced earlier this year it had detected large amounts of hydrogen, one of the components of water. But this week scientists will go further.

William Boynton of the University of Arizona, who has analysed the Odyssey findings, said the signal for water had been seen by three instruments.

Colin Pillinger, professor of planetary science at Britain's Open University, said: "If there was water on Mars then there could have been life too – and there may still be signs of it now. That is what we'll be looking for."

The Sunday Times


14 posted on 05/27/2002 9:47:58 AM PDT by callisto
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To: Reeses
"Did you read the part where there's enough water to cover the planet in earth-like oceans? If we created some genetically-engineered primative life forms that could live on Mars we could eventually turn the place into Earth II."

This is big news. We should be able to create an atmosphere with that much water. I would really like to know what happened to it?

15 posted on 05/27/2002 9:48:48 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: Balto_Boy
They may not even find traces of water. This was discovered from orbit, not from actual samples.

Indications are that 3 different instruments have detected the signs. That's a pretty good start at making an estimate in my opinion.

16 posted on 05/27/2002 9:49:47 AM PDT by callisto
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To: BradyLS
What conditions need to be met to create a state of earth-like oceans on Mars?

Maybe we should land an SUV there and just let it idle. :) The thin atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide so should support plant life which then produces oxygen. Mars and Earth at one point were very much alike. Mars may not have enough gravity to sustain an earth like atmostphere but it should be possible to build a super astrodome.

17 posted on 05/27/2002 9:51:59 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: callisto
Indications are that 3 different instruments have detected the signs.

Do these instruments use different methods or the same, and do any of them test actual samples?

That's a pretty good start at making an estimate in my opinion.

I would agree, except the findings are being reported along side a call to go to Mars. Not that I'm opposed to exploration, but let's do it for the right reasons, IE. to see what's there, not to pour money into trying to prove the theory of life on Mars.

18 posted on 05/27/2002 9:57:50 AM PDT by Balto_Boy
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To: Reeses
I can imaging the news is hitting the NASA eggheads right between the eyes. I think the Mars "Rush" is about to begin.
19 posted on 05/27/2002 9:59:14 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: Balto_Boy
Not that I'm opposed to exploration, but let's do it for the right reasons, IE. to see what's there, not to pour money into trying to prove the theory of life on Mars.

A complete geological and astro-biological survey of the planet would be a good start. From there, we should be able to determine the economic payback for our investment. Economics is what will push space exploration as opposed to just scientific endeavor.

20 posted on 05/27/2002 10:10:50 AM PDT by demlosers
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