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Sum Of All Fears - Why isn't Tom Clancy the CIA Director?
Hollywood.com ^ | 4/30/02 | Staff

Posted on 05/09/2002 8:08:16 AM PDT by stromsfriend

Synopsis: When the president of Russia suddenly dies, a man whose politics are virtually unknown succeeds him. The change in political leaders sparks paranoia among American CIA officials, so CIA director Bill Cabot recruits a young Russian analyst to supply insight and advice on the situation. Then the unthinkable happens: a nuclear bomb levels the capital of Chechnya, and America is quick to blame the Russians. What they don't realize is terrorists, bent on provoking open war between the two nations, are behind it all.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bomb; clancy; terrorism
I saw an advanced screening of "The Sum of All Fears" last night and it was good and entertaining (I will be summararily shot if I give anything away I am told).

THe movie doesn't follow the book very much and that works out fine. Ben Affleck does a fine job and his girlfriend is stunning.

But what got my noodle cooking was that Clancy's "fictions" about terrorist acts in many of his books are quite close to what goes on or what has happened.

Why isn't this guy writing National Security Estimates? Although I am sure the CIA has tapped his imagination by now!

Or...more disturbing/intriguing, maybe those terrorists have a penchant for Cold War fiction...

1 posted on 05/09/2002 8:08:17 AM PDT by stromsfriend
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To: stromsfriend
Why isn't this guy writing National Security Estimates?

Because reality is different from fiction, and because working with people is different from typing.

2 posted on 05/09/2002 8:14:06 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: stromsfriend
--IMHO, he'd do a lot better thatn Clinton-appointee Tenet--
3 posted on 05/09/2002 8:15:55 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: TopQuark
But isn't part of the CIA's job, or any other intelligence outfit, to come up with probable scenarios?

Perhaps imagination gets shot down by "one track" thinking or internal pressures? That happens in any company, sometimes you need new points of view.

4 posted on 05/09/2002 8:17:32 AM PDT by stromsfriend
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To: TopQuark
But isn't part of the CIA's job, or any other intelligence outfit, to come up with probable scenarios?

Perhaps imagination gets shot down by "one track" thinking or internal pressures? That happens in any company, sometimes you need new points of view.

5 posted on 05/09/2002 8:17:33 AM PDT by stromsfriend
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To: stromsfriend
Why isn't Tom Clancy the CIA Director?

ROTFLOL

6 posted on 05/09/2002 8:18:38 AM PDT by maestro
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To: maestro
Don't laugh too hard, there buddy. He really is, we just don't know it. You know secrets and all....

/secret sarcasm

7 posted on 05/09/2002 8:21:38 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: stromsfriend
Of course this is a sort of off the cuff kind of topic. But See Sum of All Fears or read the book again...I can't remember the name of the book where the Japanese pilot runs the 747 into the Capitol. But that was pretty freaky too.

Movies are for entertainment, but it is scary to think someone could suggle a "dirty bomb" into the US. Hell, with federal agents bringing all sorts of things thru airport security, what about shipping (like in Sum of All Fears) or smuggling?

It's worth some thought anyway.

8 posted on 05/09/2002 8:21:40 AM PDT by stromsfriend
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To: stromsfriend
What I found interesting about what I have read on the internet about his flick is that the a domestic/arab group (CAIR?), pressured the studio (pre 9/11) to warp the original book storyline of arab terrorists, into eruo-nazi terroists. From what I understand, CAIR is on Bush's short list of stateside front groups for middle eastern terror.

The capital of Chehnya is nuked? Didn't Russia do that 2 years ago with 1000 fuel/air explosives?

9 posted on 05/09/2002 8:21:54 AM PDT by TeleStraightShooter
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To: stromsfriend
I saw Clancey interviewed on "Book TV" about 2 months ago. He said that the guys at CIA & NSA were way ahead of him with their scenarios. He was asked to participate in "what if " sessions where there were blue & red teams. He said the professionals had already worked trhough anything he came up with. But, he is still a great writer and I enjoy his books.
10 posted on 05/09/2002 8:24:43 AM PDT by ozdragon
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To: stromsfriend
Wow! Item #1 they shouldn't even use that title for the movie, the only thing that story has in common with the book is the words "terrorist" and "nuclear bomb".

Iten #2 - the reason to not nominate Tom for anything is that he writes fiction, the press would have such a field day with that it would make the Murphy Brown flap look like nothing. While I agree that Clancy is a very bright guy who has (unfortunately) shown a fair ability to predict the future, and among intelligent circles he's a highly respected speaker. Unfortunately the press ISN'T intelligent circles and would spend months mocking Bush for not knowing the difference between reality and make believe saying he was nominating Jack Ryan. It would be terrible. In the end the nomination would probably be withdrawn.

11 posted on 05/09/2002 8:25:19 AM PDT by discostu
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To: TeleStraightShooter
I too have only seen the trailers, but I was struck by the political correctness of the movie. In the book, as I recall the bad guys were Iranians and an American Indian. But from the looks of the trailer, the bad guys are neo-nazis and south africans. On second thought, maybe Claney could be director of the CIA.
12 posted on 05/09/2002 8:26:35 AM PDT by ntrulock
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To: TeleStraightShooter
What I found interesting about what I have read on the internet about his flick is that the a domestic/arab group (CAIR?), pressured the studio (pre 9/11) to warp the original book storyline of arab terrorists, into eruo-nazi terroists. From what I understand, CAIR is on Bush's short list of stateside front groups for middle eastern terror.

The capital of Chehnya is nuked? Didn't Russia do that 2 years ago with 1000 fuel/air explosives?

Yeah the the Arab group (I didn't know who) got the plot changed in January 2001!! How ironic is that? Hollywood probably thought it was in bad taste because we all know that Islam is a "religion of peace." So much for reality!

I guess it would have been nice for the more realistic element of the Arab terrorists from the Sum of All Fears book, but the plot works anyway in the movie. As for Chechnya, somebody blew up 29 people with a bomb yesterday...SEE: ironic.

13 posted on 05/09/2002 8:27:54 AM PDT by stromsfriend
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To: stromsfriend
That is very true, I agree: ad hoc help should be sought from time to time.
14 posted on 05/09/2002 8:28:35 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: ozdragon
I saw Clancey interviewed on "Book TV" about 2 months ago. He said that the guys at CIA & NSA were way ahead of him with their scenarios. He was asked to participate in "what if " sessions where there were blue & red teams. He said the professionals had already worked trhough anything he came up with. But, he is still a great writer and I enjoy his books.

I saw that interview as well (must have been CSPAN's highest rated program ever), but isn't it more fun to speculate...? ;)

15 posted on 05/09/2002 8:29:48 AM PDT by stromsfriend
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To: CJ Wolf
LOL,.......Sure,......and 'Rick' Ames, is really, "REALLY", running the whole 'show' for Ted Turner's outfit.

:-)
:-(

16 posted on 05/09/2002 8:32:34 AM PDT by maestro
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To: ntrulock
I think it was Denver that got nuked in the book so it isn't even close.

I hate it when they do that. Either follow the book or don't but if you don't then don't say "Based on the book" because it isn't.

You wrote another story and that is fine.

a.cricket

17 posted on 05/09/2002 8:33:03 AM PDT by another cricket
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To: stromsfriend
I can't remember the name of the book where the Japanese pilot runs the 747 into the Capitol.

"Executive Orders". Cabinet member Jack Ryan is the one guy left behind (standard procedure) during the State Of The Union address when Congress is wiped out, making Ryan the President. This and other terrorist attacks are cover for ... and the ending is remarkably satisfying.

20 posted on 05/09/2002 8:37:51 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: stromsfriend
I did a little research:

http://www.upcomingmovies.com/sumofallfears.html

(2/1/01) CAIR, the Arab rights watchdog group, reports that the "villains" of the film have been changed from Muslim terrorists to European neo-Nazi's.

IMHO, these rats are part of the holy war effort....

21 posted on 05/09/2002 8:41:01 AM PDT by TeleStraightShooter
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To: ctdonath2
Vice President Ryan
22 posted on 05/09/2002 8:41:46 AM PDT by wordsofearnest
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To: stromsfriend
Reality is not different than fiction when it comes to dreaming up terrorist scenarios, either for execution or publication. That's why, post 9/11, the guvmint hired some Hollywood types to do just that: sit around thinking up scenarios for the military/law enforcement types to plan for.

The primary reason no one in guvmint saw 9/11 coming is that, by nature and definition and getting rapped on the back of the head for not marching to the agency beat, bureaucrats and bureaucracies totally lack imagination.

Witness reports yesterday that a field FBI agent sent a report up the chain that, uh, several suspicious Middle Eastern-type dudes were inexplicably training at American flight schools. The report went into File 13 until, oops, after 9/11 somebody said, "Oh, that's what that was about."

Why did no alarms go off when the report was sent? Because all agencies lack imagination. The higher up the food chain one gets, the deeper and darker the lack of imagination. The agency couldn't even begin to imagine any scenarios arising out of these ME dudes training to fly our jumbo jets. So CLICK, DELETE FILE FROM MEMORY. NEXT REPORT, NEXT CUPPAJOENDONUT.

Personally, I think creativity is creativity. UBL was very creative on 9/11. To match these creeps, we need creativity, too. If Clancy is where you gotta go to get the appropriate level of creativity, so be it, IMHO. In fact,that would be a very creative solution [groan . . .]

23 posted on 05/09/2002 9:09:52 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG
P.S. I am not suggesting consultations go so far as to make this guy director of the CIA. But, stromsfriend, that was a great hook for the thread.
24 posted on 05/09/2002 9:11:53 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: TeleStraightShooter
(2/1/01) CAIR, the Arab rights watchdog group, reports that the "villains" of the film have been changed from Muslim terrorists to European neo-Nazi's.

How is CAIR going to manage changing the ethnicity of the bad guys when the 9/11 movie scripts start selling?

25 posted on 05/09/2002 9:34:11 AM PDT by DoctorHydrocal
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To: stromsfriend
If the CIA paid a Bazillion dollars for his ideas, I bet Clancy would be glad to submit them.
26 posted on 05/09/2002 9:35:07 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: stromsfriend
Here's a question for you:

Why did Tom Clancy authorize the movie screenwriter and producer to change the terrorists from being Islamic to being white-neo-nazi skinhead types? In the book the terrorists are MUSLIMS, with strong Palestinian ties.

27 posted on 05/09/2002 9:37:58 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: fogarty
Because he sold the movie rights to Hollyweird. The way it works is that the rights to the TITLE and all content are sold, and the studio gets the right to make any modifications it deems necessary. If you're overly interested in maintaining creative control, don't sell the movie rights.
28 posted on 05/09/2002 9:43:32 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: DoctorHydrocal
How is CAIR going to manage changing the ethnicity of the bad guys when the 9/11 movie scripts start selling?

My guess is that they will step up & sue for "civil rights violations" instead just threating them (just like Jesse Jackson) as before.

Hmmm... "Minority Rights", porus INS, "Civil Rights" groups, Terrorists......

29 posted on 05/09/2002 9:45:43 AM PDT by TeleStraightShooter
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To: stromsfriend
Why isn't Tom Clancy the CIA Director?

Because to placate the PC crowd, he'd have the wholse CIA guarding against European neo-nazis, rather that the islamist threat that really exists.

The words "sell out" come to mind, and this movie will not get my dollars. Now that I've burst a friend's bubble regarding the PC treatment, that's four tickets that won't be bought.

LTS

30 posted on 05/09/2002 10:17:02 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon
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To: Poohbah
Because he sold the movie rights to Hollyweird.....

Hollyweird=Muslimwood$
?$$?$$?$$?=Islamwood$
$$?$$?$$?$=Terrorwood
VIOLENCE PRODUCTIONS

31 posted on 05/09/2002 10:18:06 AM PDT by maestro
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To: Poohbah
The way it works is that the rights to the TITLE and all content are sold, and the studio gets the right to make any modifications it deems necessary.

Pure BS for anyone with as big a name as Clancy. And if the Hollyweirdos said change it, or no can do, can you really credit him for his quest for the almight dollar? Is there no principle too sacred to offend if the price is right?

LTS

32 posted on 05/09/2002 10:19:48 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon
Pure BS for anyone with as big a name as Clancy.

It happens to everyone--Joseph Wambaugh, Allen Drury, James Clavell, you name it. There is NO writer who is "too big a name" for this to happen to.

And if the Hollyweirdos said change it, or no can do, can you really credit him for his quest for the almight dollar?

You misunderstand. The way it works is that the writer sells the rights. AFTER he or she sells the rights, all the changes get made, and the writer has ZERO input. Clancy wasn't even consulted. Hollyweird didn't say "change it or else," they just changed it. IIRC, he sold these rights way back in 1991, and got paid back in 1991. The change was made in 2001. That's a ten-year gap.

Is there no principle too sacred to offend if the price is right?

Again, you're blaming Cancy for decisions he had no role in.

33 posted on 05/09/2002 10:28:50 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: wordsofearnest
Vice President Ryan

Clancy is uncannily prophetic. Picture "Vice President Rice". That has a strong likelihood of coming to pass. National Security Advisor and a leading expert on the Soviet Union goes on to the Presidency? That's pretty close isn't it?

34 posted on 05/09/2002 12:08:31 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
I saw a trailer for Sum of All Fears this weekend when I saw Attack of the Clones - I would like to see it again in its entirity.

Star wars was entertaining, but the story was not as compelling as SUm of All Fears. We need more of those types of movies.

35 posted on 05/21/2002 5:16:29 PM PDT by stromsfriend
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To: stromsfriend
I heard a while back that someone had written a book prior to 9/11 that detailed an attack similar to the WTC one. Do you know if that was Tom Clancy?

Carolyn

36 posted on 08/05/2002 8:01:15 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: CDHart
yes - I believe it was Debt of Honor. A crazed japanese pilot runs a 747 into the Capitol during a joint session of Congress
37 posted on 08/12/2002 10:11:56 AM PDT by stromsfriend
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