The guy with the black curly hair under a ball cap. What ever happened to him........
This one? You're not supposed to ask. He might sue for libel.
Posted on 04/19/2002 3:33:03 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
Copyright 2002 by Patrick B. Briley
At about 4 pm on April 18, 1995 one day before the OKC bombing, a Ryder truck stopped for gas at the E-Z Mart in far north central Oklahoma at a small town named Newkirk. A light blue 1970’s Chevy pickup truck stopped at the same time with the Ryder truck at the EZ Mart in Newkirk.
According to witnesses the light blue pickup truck was driven by Terry Nichols and had a passenger with dark curly hair who was wearing a baseball cap, mirror glasses and was dressed in black. The pickup truck passenger had dark olive skin and appeared to look possibly Middle Eastern or Mexican. He also had a stern gaze and a large chest.
The Ryder truck reportedly had an overhang and one occupant, a driver who had short, light hair, a large nose and eyes and a mouth that were small in proportion to his face.
An employee at the EZ Mart said that Nichols came into the store and bought eight burritos but no chips or drinks. Nichols reportedly gave some of the food to the driver in the Ryder truck who appeared to have a disagreement with Nichols about something when Nichols handed him the food. The driver of the Ryder truck and the passenger in Nichols’ pickup truck never got out according to the EZ Mart employee.
The EZ Mart employee was interviewed by OKC TV station, KWTV, Channel 9 and their reporter Gann Mathews in mid May 1995. The witness also gave an interview to the Arkansas City Traveler newspaper which came out in a May 1, 1995 article entitled “Bombing Suspects Spotted in Newkirk”. Unfortunately, the newspaper reporter Jeff Guy got some of the significant facts (as to who was in which trucks) confused in the article. The EZ Mart employee was considered to be very reliable as she was married to a police officer and was also very observant with details.
The Dallas Morning News had a lengthy article published in May 1995 which showed a map of the route taken by McVeigh and other John Does from near Junction City Kansas, and south through Arkansas City, Kansas into Oklahoma and passing directly through Newkirk, Oklahoma en route to OKC. A 32 year veteran of the OKC police department told me in May 1995 that up to five men associated with the OKC bombing had passed through Newkirk with a Ryder truck.
Two other witnesses who taught school at Newkirk came to the EZ Mart around 4 pm on April 18, 1995 and saw a Ryder truck parked there. One of the witnesses said that to buy a coke the witness was standing in line with three men waiting to pay for their snacks. This witness said that two of these men come out of the EZ Mart and that one of them passed snacks to the driver of the Ryder truck. This witness said that the man buying snacks and giving it to the Ryder truck driver was about 5 feet seven, unshaven, and MAY (not certain) have been Terry Nichols. One of the teacher witnesses also said that the man buying snacks got into an old pickup truck
All the witnesses said they were interviewed by the FBI and some said they were also interviewed by the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (OSBI) at the same time they were interviewed by the FBI.
The BATF came to the EZ Mart about a week after the bombing canvassing the area and learned of witnesses who had seen the Ryder truck, Nichols and a John Doe. The BATF interviewed the EZ Mart employee and had the EZ Mart thoroughly dusted for fingerprints even though many customers had since been in the EZ Mart.
It is not known whose fingerprints (Nichols?) the BATF found at the EZ Mart. Bombing victim survivors presumably still not only would like to find out about the identities of fingerprints at the EZ Mart, but like to learn the identities of the fingerprints taken from where another John Doe (not John Doe #2) stayed in room 25 of the Dreamland motel in Kansas with McVeigh. A sketch of the John Doe in the Dreamland was made by FBI sketch artist Jean Boylan with witness Jeff Davis and resembles an FBI informant working at Elohim City, Peter Ward.
Do FBI or BATF files show the fingerprints taken from the EZ Mart and the Dreamland and the identities of the fingerprints and was this information later destroyed or withheld from the courts and the public?
About two weeks after the bombing the FBI interviewed the same EZ Mart employee witness for about fifteen minutes. The witness strongly identified an FBI supplied frontal view sketch of a John Doe #2 wearing a baseball hat. The witness also gave the FBI a description of the driver of the Ryder truck and told the FBI that even though he resembled McVeigh the witness could not be sure if it was McVeigh. The witness also told the FBI and BATF that they were certain that Nichols was not only at the EZ Mart driving a blue Chevy pickup when the Ryder truck on April 18, 1995, but also had been there with the same pickup at about seven a.m. on the Saturday before the OKC bombing.
Nichols presence with the Ryder truck and John Doe at the EZ Mart on April 18, 1995 suggests an even stronger role for his involvement in helping do the OKC bombing than heretofore commonly known. And John Doe#2’s participation is obvious by these accounts.
McVeigh, the FBI and prosecutors have kept saying for years that there were no John Does who helped McVeigh even though the FBI had positive confirmation of the John Doe# 2 by the witness at the EZ Mart. The witness was never called by the prosecution or defense at the trials. The witness was also not called by the OK County Grand Jury investigating the OKC bombing. Furthermore, during the trials the prosecution never called witnesses who had seen McVeigh with any John Does anywhere even though the FBI testified at a preliminary hearing on April 27, 1995 of over ten witness sightings of McVeigh with John Does including in OKC at the time of the bombing.
The curly hair and olive skin of the John Doe seen riding in Nichols pickup truck is consistent with the description of the John Doe reported by witnesses in OKC and later identified as the Iraqi suspect, Al Hussain Hussaini. Hussaini had reportedly been seen fleeing the area of the Murrah Building and with McVeigh at several locations prior to the bombing in OKC.
There is suspicion that the FBI and OSBI and BATF either did not do adequate interview reports of the sightings of Nichols and the John Doe by the EZ Mart witnesses or that the FBI withheld the reports from the defense and the court trials or had the reports destroyed too early (as recently verified by the DOJ inspector General Glenn Fine two weeks ago in his report to the Senate Judiciary Committee).
One important detail revealed by the EZ Mart employee witness is that the Ryder truck had an overhang. The Ryder truck allegedly driven by McVeigh on April 19, 1995 and carrying a bomb was shown across the Regency Towers apartments (a block to the northwest of the Murrah Building) in a video at the trial but it did not have an overhang. The EZ Mart witness also noted this difference in what they had seen at the EZ Mart and what was shown at trial.
Danny Wilkerson ran a snack shop in the Regency Towers apartments. Wilkerson told me that McVeigh parked a Ryder truck with an overhang in front of his snack shop at 8:35 a.m. April 19, 1995. Inside the Ryder truck, Wilkerson said he saw a John Doe. McVeigh came in and bought pop and talked to Wilkerson. Wilkerson says that by about 8:45 he noticed that McVeigh had driven around the block and parked the Ryder truck across the street in a direction headed toward the Murrah building and in the location shown by video at the trial. Wilkerson also said he saw McVeigh get out of the truck (after he parked it across the street) and look east up the street in the direction of the Murrah building
Wilkerson says several FBI agents including Ricky Raines tried for months to get him to change his description of the Ryder truck as having an overhang. Wilkerson said he believed Raines even tried to trick him to change his story by showing him a fake or an incomplete Ryder truck brochure having no pictures of Ryder trucks with overhangs. Wilkerson says he had seen Ryder trucks with overhangs many times before since they were used by people to move into the Regency Towers apartments. He even asked McVeigh if he was moving in because he says he saw the overhang on the truck.
The yellow pages in the OKC phone book from 1994-1995 clearly show that Ryder rented a truck with an overhang just as Wilkerson and the EZ Mart employee witness have stated they saw.
So we have both Wilkerson and the employee at the EZ Mart insisting that the Ryder truck they saw had an overhang while the Ryder truck the FBI says was used to blow up the Murrah building and shown in videos at trial did not have an overhang. If the witnesses are correct then these possibilities remain to account for the evidence:
Either the FBI is wrong about the truck that blew up in front of the Murrah building and altered the trial video, or a second Ryder truck was used in the bombing exercise. If a second Ryder truck was used with an overhang, perhaps it was used to transport bomb making materials to Oklahoma for future assembly inside of the larger, Ryder truck (it had a side door) the FBI says blew up. If this were the case then McVeigh would have had to switch trucks after he left the snack shop and drove around the block and parked a Ryder truck across the street.
Wilkerson was not called during the trials and his testimony to the FBI about the Ryder truck overhang and McVeigh having a John Doe in the Ryder truck was never disclosed in the trials. It is suspected that the FBI once again (as in the case with the EZ Mart employee witness) either did not do interview reports or withheld them or had them destroyed.
What is obvious from these accounts is that the DOJ and FBI are still withholding from the courts, Congress and the public evidence of John Does involved in the OKC bombing. McVeigh and Nichols who did not act alone as the FBI and DOJ still try to claim. Evidence of Nichols greater involvement may have also been withheld from the trials to preclude the jury and public from learning of the John Doe(s) that were with Nichols ( and perhaps McVeigh) at the EZ Mart on April 18, 1995.
There is growing concern that the John Does involved in the OKC bombing can bomb again and/or that they come from radical domestic groups who could help Middle Eastern terrorists in the US attack innocent civilians in the future.
Copyright 2002 by Patrick B. Briley
The guy with the black curly hair under a ball cap. What ever happened to him........
Sorry. I don't buy it. His lawyer said very little about this during the trial.
This is the first I remember hearing about the overhang, but I certainly remember one of the survivors describing the man identified as Hussaini getting out of the truck in front of the Murrah Building just before the bombing.
The guy with the black curly hair under a ball cap. What ever happened to him........
This one? You're not supposed to ask. He might sue for libel.
You're aware of the *accident* that claimed the life of the daughter of the judge who presided in the trial, I suppose. Perhaps that was sufficient cause for him to obey any orders not to allow any surveillance tapes that conflicted with the official version of the events- unless he wanted to see his other family members thrown into a volcano as well.
But the Murrah Building explosion of course took place in Oklahoma City and the trial was held in Denver, which does pose another interesting question:
U.S. Constitution, Article III; Section 2:
The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
U.S. Constitution, Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
It appears that certain federal officers conspired to deprive Tim McVeigh of his constitutional rights....
But the gun used in the Bobby Kennedy hit did surface a few years back, recovered from a lake in Arkansas....
Ok, I won't ask. ~whew!
-archy-/-
... and Elvis is alive and well living outside of Kalamazoo (which explains the sitings of him in the malls around that area) ...
How about any of the testimony by Michael Fortier as well as his statement at his sentencing?
How about the lashing that the Oklahoma Grand Jury gave to those 'witnesses' they considered suspect and as having lied and spun tales only to gain publicity?
Anybody recall ever covering that material?
1. The witness was married (still is) to a police officer veteran at the time of the story back in May 1995.
2. The witness was interviewed by the FBI and the BATF.
3. The EZ Mart employee witness is fully credible and was corroborated by two more witnesses (teachers) who did not work at the EZ MArt but were at the EZ MArt at the same time. THese corroborating witnesses were interviewed by the FBI in early May 1995.
4. The BATF approached the witness during a canvassing of the area right after the bombing. THe witness did not run to the BATC with a bogus story.
If the witness story had been bogus the BATF and FBI would have nailed the witness and the police officer spouse. But instead the FBI and DOJ has covered this story up and not handled it properly.
BTW, American Terrorist was written based on the lies of two entities, McVeigh and the FBI. Both entites lied when they told the authors there were no John Does involved.
General Partin and I were in contact with one of the authors of American Terorist before the book was published and based on what we heard from the author beforehand and what we read in the book, the book is knowingly false.
One of the FBI agents showcased in the book American Terrorist is Floyd Zimms who I know personally. He covered up the OKC bombing big time-I know many of the details.
Zimms has lied repeatedly before and he lied to the authors of American Terrorists in my opinion. I have written much about Zimms starting in June 2000 on FR long before American Terrorist came out. I have many witnesses to ZImms coverups and lies including an OKC police officer and a reporter from OKC.
I wrote to the House Intelligence Committee about Zimms corruption before the OKC bombing . I sent the letter again to the Senate Intelligence committe legal counsel after the OKC bombing complaining about Zimms conduct before, during and after the OKC bombing. THe Legal counsel gave me an apology about Zimms and the FBI conduct. I have written before about this on the FR in my articles.
Oklahoma City Bombing The Plot Thickens
By William Cooper All Rights Reserved
We are NOT racist, white supremacist, Zionist, British Israel, Christian Identity, or anti-Semitic. We refute all racist and/or superior race philosophies. We believe that such beliefs are a plague upon the human race. We are loyal Americans interested in the truth. We believe in Liberty and Freedom for all People regardless of race, religion, or place of ancestral origin.
First the reader must know that the federal takedown of the organization known as the Covenant Sword and Arm of the the Lord occurred on April 19, 1985. The assault on the Weaver family occurred over the same date and would have ended on April 19 except that 2 reporters stumbled upon the feds attempt to hoist a fuel bladder by helicopter which they had intended to drop on the Weaver cabin and ignite burning alive all inside. The final assault upon the Branch Davidians occurred on April 19, 1993. The bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building also occurred on April 19th. If you believe that all these events happening on the exact same date to be coincidence you need a brain surgeon.
Another very curious fact is that David Koresh and Timothy McVeigh were both 33 years old at the time of their deaths. I have no idea what that might mean but it is very curious indeed.
Our investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building has uncovered the following:
John Doe #1 is Timothy McVeigh.
John Doe #2 is Michael Brescia, an army buddy of Timothy McVeigh. Until recently he was in federal custody. The federal government has protected and hidden the identity of this criminal because he is an informant for the at least one agency of the United States government. He is not a Nazi, white Supremacist, anti-Semite, or racist. When we asked the FBI to provide us with a photo of Michael Brescia for positive identification they refused. We obtained photos from Patriot law enforcement personnel within our organization. We positively identified Michael Brescia as John Doe #2 from those photos.
John Doe #3 has been positively identified as Andreas Strassmier, a West German Intelligence operative. He is not a Nazi, white supremacist, anti-Semite, or racist. Sources in Germany claim Strassmier is Jewish. This information has been confirmed by two additional independent German sources.
John Doe #4 has been positively identified by the Intelligence Service as Gary Hunt. He has never been questioned by any law enforcement agency. Gary Hunt was also involved with the Waco Massacre in 1993. Gary Hunt is an informant for the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF). Gary Hunt masquerades as an American Patriot. The ethnic and religious background of Gary Hunt is not known at this time.
John Doe #5 has been positively identified by the Intelligence Service as Daniel Spiegelman (a.k.a. William Taylor), a fund raiser for the Oklahoma City bombing operation. He was arrested and imprisoned in the Netherlands when he attempted to sell historic documents that were stolen from Columbia University for the purpose of financing the OKC bombing. Spiegelman was extradited from the Netherlands to the United States on the condition that he would not be charged with a capital crime for which he could receive the death sentence. United States District Judge Lewis Kaplan, a Zionist, sentenced Spiegleman to 60 months in jail, 3 years probation, 300 days of community service in an adult literacy education program, and restitution to Columbia in an amount not yet determined. Daniel Spiegelman's conviction will most likely be set aside because his defense lawyer Paul Kurtz was discovered to be a fake lawyer. Paul Kurtz, 56, of Bethesda, Md., was charged in a 41-count indictment issued by a Manhattan federal jury for claiming to be a licensed attorney and defending clients including Daniel Spiegelman who was convicted of stealing rare manuscripts from Columbia University. Spiegelman was sentenced in April 1998. Daniel Spiegelman is Jewish.
John Doe #6 remains unidentified at this time. We have a video tape of John Doe #6 in the company of Gary Hunt (John Doe #4) walking away from the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building within 10 minutes after the bombs detonated. Both men in the video tape are carrying transmitters in their hands.
Mike Vanderboegh of the "John Doe Times" is an agent of the Anti Defamation League masquerading as a Patriot commander of the Alabama 1st Calvary (Militia). The Militia which he claims to command does not exist... it is a fraud. His purpose is to place the blame for the Oklahoma City bombing on Patriots and the Lawful Militia attributing a motive of white supremacist anti-Semitism and racism. A charge that cannot be true in light of the ethnic identity of several John Does.
The Branch Davidians were a racial mix of mostly Black, Hispanic, and had even a couple of Jewish members. Only a very small minority of the Church was Caucasian (white). Racist white supremacist anti-Semites would rejoice at their death not seek revenge. Racist white supremacist anti-Semites do not avenge the death of Blacks, Hispanics, Orientals, and Jews.
The People who worked in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building were mostly Caucasian (white) and could not ever have been the target of racist white supremacist anti-Semites. Racist white supremacist anti-Semites do not murder whites.
The KKK and white supremacist groups expressed dissatisfaction with the manner in which the BATF and FBI were handling the situation and called for an assault by the government to end the stand-off. A contingent of KKK white supremacists traveled to Waco to offer their services to the BATF and FBI in order to affect the arrests of the Branch Davidians. If the KKK was for the takedown of the Davidians how and why would they seek revenge for their deaths?
Prominent members of the Anti Defamation League made public statements which were carried by the major news networks (recorded by us and placed in safekeeping) which disclosed that the ADL had the perpetrators under surveillance for two years. The spokesmen stated that they knew the bombing was going to happen well in advance. Prominent members of the ADL were instrumental in fomenting the attack upon the Branch Davidians in Waco Texas in 1975.
John Doe #7 is the leader of Elohim City Rev. Robert G. Millar an ADL, FBI, and BATF informant who was instrumental in bringing down the Covenant, Sword, and Arm of the Lord on April 19, 1985. It is because of Millar’s status as an informant Elohim City has developed the reputation as a safe haven for racist criminals in America.
Carol Howe was an BATF informant and disclosed the plans of the bombing and those involved to the BATF. After the bombing Carol Howe disclosed this information to the public and the press. The BATF attempted to imprison Carol Howe in order to silence her but lost their case. She maintains that the BATF knew the culprits and the target (a government building) well before the bombing occurred.
Governor Keating, Keating's brother, Representative Ernest Istook (R) Oklahoma, Anti Defamation League, FBI, BATF, United States Marshall Service, Oklahoma City Fire Department, Oklahoma City Police Department, and the Oklahoma City Bomb Squad knew the bombing would occur well in advance of April 19, 1995.
The American Intelligence Community knew of the plans to detonate a bomb in the "heartland" of America as early as 1971 and wrote of it in a Top Secret document called MAJESTYTWELVE which contains the plan for the disarmament of the American People and implementation of a world socialist totalitarian government.
The Oklahoma City bombing was a joint operation involving intelligence operatives of the United States, Germany, and Israel. The purpose of the bombing was to strike terror into the heartland of America destroying the illusion of safety and security in America. Those responsible set the propaganda wheels in motion to blame Patriots, Militia, and religious fundamentalists in order to prepare American Citizens to more readily accept personal disarmament in preparation for world socialist totalitarian government, beginning with the passage of an unconstitutional anti-terrorist bill which passed Congress and became law soon after the bombing.
During his tenure as Director of the FBI William Steele Sessions created the National Security Threat List, which was approved by the Attorney General in 1991, it changed its approach from defending against hostile intelligence agencies to protecting U.S. information and technologies. It thus identified all countries--not just hostile intelligence services--that pose a continuing and serious intelligence threat to the United States. It also defined expanded threat issues, including the proliferation of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons; the loss of critical technologies; and the improper collection of trade secrets and proprietary information. During a press conference in 1993 (during the Waco fiasco) FBI Director William S. Sessions warned the nation of a Jewish underground which threatened the National Security of the United States of America. He was immediately politically attacked by AIPAC interests and its political stooges. He appeared on television two weeks later to announce his resignation as Director of the FBI with his arm (broken) in a sling.
Ari Shavit, an Israeli columnist, wrote in an essay reprinted in the May 27, 1996 issue of the New York Times from the Israeli paper Haaretz, while reflecting sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli killing of more than 100 Lebanese civilians in April, that:
"We killed them out of a certain naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own..."
Joseph Sobran, in a June 13, 1996 edition of The Wanderer said, "In a single phrase - 'in our hands' - Shavit has lighted up the American political landscape like a flash of lightning."
The admission confirms what has been labeled "an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory". Sobran admits in his article that this "theory" is held my many Israelis.
Sobran wrote:
"Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls attention to his own government's - and his own profession's - servitude to Israeli interests. Shavit states as an obvious fact what Americans can say publicly only at great risk. It is surprising and refreshing to find such candor in an American newspaper.
"The prescribed take on this subject is that Israel is a 'reliable ally' of the United States, despite Israel's long record of double-dealing against this country, ranging from the killing of American sailors to constant espionage and technology theft. The word 'ally' implies that the relationship exists because it's in the interests of this country, though Israel's lobby is clearly devoted to the interests of Israel itself, and it's childish to suggest otherwise.
"You expect that from the Israeli lobby: lobbies are lobbies, after all. But it's unnerving that the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media should be 'in our hands,' as Shavit puts it. Bill Clinton, a lover of peace since his college days, raised no protest when the Israelis drove 400,000 innocent Lebanese out of their homes in 'retaliation' for rockets launched into Israel (wounding one Israeli) by a faction over whom those 400,000 had no control. 'Congress, of course, was supine as usual at this latest extravagance of Israeli defense.' Congress too is 'in our hands'.
"A recent article in The Washington Post likened the Israel lobby's power to that of the gun and tobacco lobbies. But there is one enormous difference. Newspapers like the Post aren't afraid to criticize the gun and tobacco lobbies. They will say forthrightly that those lobbies seek goals that are dangerous for this country. They don't dare say as much of the Israeli lobby.
"but much of the press and electronic media are 'in our hands' in a more active sense: They supply misleading pro-Israel propaganda in the guise of news and commentary, constantly praising Israeli 'democracy' and ignoring Israel's mistreatment of its non-Jewish minorities - mistreatment which, if any government inflicted it on a Jewish minority, would earn it the fierce opprobrium of our media.
"Very few in America are doing anything to change this sorry state of affairs. Shavit wrote his article in the desperate hope of turning back his countrymen and his government from a morally and politically perilous course. At least he can hope. It's harder for us, when our own government isn't in our hands."
The importance of this information is that the bombing of the Oklahoma City Murrah Federal Building could NOT EVER have been the racist actions of White Supremacists exacting revenge for the massacre of the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas.
International Zionism is racist claiming its adherents to be a superior race chosen by God to rule over all other races and nations in a world totalitarian socialist government. Most Jews do NOT adhere to that belief. Most American Jews are loyal American Patriots. Most modern day Zionists are adherents of the British Israel philosophy, Christian Identity, and Christians, including Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Robert Schuller, and other misguided leaders of the Christian religion. For confirmation see "Project Trojan Horse" and understand that People like Zionist Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz are not friends of this American Republic.
William Cooper, Harvest Trust, and the Intelligence Service are NOT racist, white supremacist, Zionist, or anti-Semitic. We refute all racist and/or "superior race" philosophies as they are a plague upon the human race. We are loyal Americans interested only in the truth. "Seek ye the truth and the truth shall make you free." -- Jesus
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