[Los Angeles Cardinal] Mahony E-Mail Talks of 'Our Big Mistake'

Los Angeles Times ^ | 04/05/2002 | JESSICA GARRISON, Times Staff Writer

[father_elijah]

Your pastor is magnificent.

I do not understand all of the stories about kneelers being removed from churches and the Tabernacle being put in broom closets. Surely when you take away the Tabernacle and set up a Presider's Chair where the Tabernacle was - surely you have the Abomination of desolation.

[Domestic Church]

"The Latin Mass is a novelty, Father. The norm in America is the vernacular Mass." Your words cut deeply. No Mass can be a novelty just as Transubstantiation can not be a footnote to a Catholic. Please, please pray and think. Peace.

[sinkspur]

Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but the Latin Mass is not the "norm" in America, or anywhere else, for that matter.

[father_elijah]

The 1962 Missal is the norm for parishes served by the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, and by the St. John Cantius priests. Also, it is the norm in the Diocese of Campos in Brazil.Novus Ordo Missae -- the Mass of Paul VI -- is only normative in its Latin edition, and its "use{ in Latin is the norm in Vatican City and other places abroad. In reality, there is no "vernacular mass" -- there are only translations from the Latin original.

[sinkspur]

In reality, there is no "vernacular mass" -- there are only translations from the Latin original.

A distinction without a difference.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

I wrote that piece of fiction for NOR sitting in our Adoration Chapel, before Jesus Christ present in the Holy Eucharist.

"I hope that this form of perpetual adoration, with permanent exposition of the Blessed Sacrament, will continue into the future. Specifically, I hope that the fruit of this Congress results in the establishment of Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration in all parishes and Christian communities throughout the world."

"The best, the sureset and the most effective way of establishing peace on the face of the earth is through the great power of Perpetual Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament."

--Pope John Paul II 45th International Eucharistic Congress in June 1993 in Seville Spain

[ELS]

I do not understand all of the stories about kneelers being removed from churches and the Tabernacle being put in broom closets.

In a recent homily, my pastor mentioned a parish he had heard of that placed the Tabernacle OUTSIDE! That is the worst I have heard. In the parish I attend, the Tabernacle is front and center on the altar with a beautiful crucifix above it.

[Palladin]

Thank you both for your contributions to this thread. Catholics like you two, and Mother Angelica and her priests and nuns, in your steadfastness and reliance on Truth, are holding me together in these tumultuous times for the Church. Some days my faith is about as big as the proverbial mustard seed. Then I tune in to EWTN, watch and pray with Mother's priests at their Mass, and peace and quiet descend on my soul. Or I catch the recitation of the Rosary, or the Divine Mercy chaplet, and the raging storm ceases, my sould becomes anchored once again.

[father_elijah]

Your post is very kind, Palladin. We should pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy every time we feel that storm brewing. As hard as these times are for faithful Catholics, it is also still the Age of the Divine Mercy of Jesus Christ. (EWTN is a wonderful antidote to the spiritual poisons that are about -- especially their broadcasts of Mass and the Chaplet and Rosary).

Jesus words to St. Faustina give us the best short prayer for this time: Jesus, I trust in you. Let us pray that very often during the day, together with the prayer Mother Teresa taught:
Jesus, alive in my heart, I love you.

[John Locke]

As someone who worshipped with the Latin Mass, your attraction to it is strange and highly overrated.

Shame on you.

Misereatur tui omnipotens Deus, et dimissis peccatis tuis, perducat te ad vitam aeternam.

[father_elijah]

Yes, Askel5?

[sinkspur]

Shame on you.

Nah. I know what your Latin means, but lots of other folks don't.

It is the height of rudeness to use language that your audience doesn't know.

[John Locke]

Be careful, sinkspur. You know not the day, nor the hour, when you shall stand in dire need of the prayers of others.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Thanks Palladin, sincerely.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Some days my faith is about as big as the proverbial mustard seed

And too many days my faith is as wide as the Nile, but as shallow as an oil slick.

I too cling to the Divine Mercy Chaplet, and a constant prayer is "Jesus, have Mercy on us!"

Any time anyone comes into my thoughts, first I try to remember to pause and pray, "Lord have Mercy on this child of yours," for they may be in a moment of need or desperation, and they may have been called into our conscious thoughts by our guardian angels for just such a reason.

Lets all continue to pray for each other in this Catholic community developing here on FR.

[father_elijah]

For the sake of His sorrowful passion,
have mercy on us and on the whole world.