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The Country Music Country Radio Ignores
New York Times ^ | March 24, 2002 | NEIL STRAUSS

Posted on 03/25/2002 9:19:56 AM PST by southern rock

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To: Rodney King
. A real country station would play Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, David Allan Coe, Merle Haggard, Hank Williams I, II, and III, Charlie Daniels, and Chris Ledoux.

Sounds like my fave station WXGI here in Richmond - classic hillbilly stuff and just a smattering of the new crap. Check 'em out at wxgi.com and prepare yourself for hillbilly heaven.

Saw Hank III last month & he blew me away! Got tickets for George Jones next month - can't wait.
41 posted on 03/25/2002 10:08:40 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan
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To: CollegeRepublican
"Someone killed country music...tore out its heart and soul..a murders been committed on music row..."

Do you not find it ironic that the two who sang these words are two of THE most commercialized country performers today? I mean, Alan Jackson changed the name of a song for a car company to use. He did "www.memory"(BARF!) Geore Strait seems like he will prostitute himself for whatever sponsor pays the most. Yes, they are more "traditional country" than most, but those two should take a look in the mirror when they are talking about a "murder on music row".

42 posted on 03/25/2002 10:12:11 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: FreeTally
Is the music that much different than commercial country music of the 70's and 80's? Not that much. It does sound more "popish", but music is always going to progress.

It's fun to go back and look at Billboard charts from the past. Folks remember the few talents, and forget all the other stuff. I don't have any handy, but if you look, you'll find a lot of names that aren't getting much praise on this thread. Anyone want to sing the praises of BJ Thomas, Freddy Fender, Tanya Tucker, or Ronnie Milsap?

43 posted on 03/25/2002 10:14:41 AM PST by Huck
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To: southern rock
"Why aren't young men considered a target demographic for country music. It's kinda sad."

Well, I think it goes back to this:

"Contemporary country radio is targeting young adult females," said Paul Allen, the executive director of the Country Radio Broadcasters, a trade association. "Now, why would you want to target them? Because that's what advertisers want. The young female adult is oftentimes a mom. She influences 90 percent of all the buying decisions in the household; she's a generation X or Y consumer, and not brand loyal. That's a very influenceable and key demographic to go after."

That marketing excuse is B-F-S. Does NASCAR or the NFL market to women? Like television and movies before it country music has become a politically-targeted media genre. This NYT hit piece reinforces that impression. In the old days Bubba would just tell her to "turn that #Q$@ off" and she'd just listen to what he did. But for 5+ years now the industry has promoted Femmbo-country music while virtually ignoring traditional music. Now they're trying to promote 'reparations' music and people aren't buying it. What's the cover of ...Where Art Thou like? Does it have a picture of Birmingham, AL watercannon martyrdom?

Country music is now simply another front in the Left's culture war against the Republic, it's history and it's culture. Don't buy crap country and don't patronize establishments that play it.

44 posted on 03/25/2002 10:15:11 AM PST by Justa
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To: uncbob
Same thing happened in the early 70s when John Denevr and Olivia Newton John won countrys honors. Real Country will make another comeback like it did then when Randy Ttravis, Ricky Skaggs, Moe Bandy, George Strait, Vern Gosden , Keith Whitely then Allan Jackson hit the scene and Garth Brooks ( when he sings country that is)

Randy Travis is nothing but boilerplate shlock. Garth Brooks should be beaten and deported. Ricky Skaggs, thankfully, is confining himself to what he does best, bluegrass. George Strait made some decent records in the late 80s. Vern Gosden, Keith Whitley and Allan Jackson are bubblegum crooners.

You want some real country? Check out Steve Earle, Emmylou Harris, Buddy and Julie Miller, Hank III, Robbie Fulks, Alejandro Escovedo, The Gourds, Uncle Tupelo (even though they broke up in '94), Lucinda Williams, etc. etc. Trouble is, unless you're in a college town, you ain't gonna hear them on the radio.

45 posted on 03/25/2002 10:16:22 AM PST by Gurn
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To: Redbob
>>KHYI 95.3 in North Texas.<<

EXCELLENT station; I listen to it, too.

Bet they're not making much money, though. I just hope they stay on the air a while.

RASCAL FLATTS=MURDER ON MUSIC ROW! And don't forget: Brooks & Dung, Mindy McCready and all that crap, etc. etc....

46 posted on 03/25/2002 10:16:55 AM PST by SerpentDove
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To: FreeTally
Just like so many hated(and still do) when "New Rock" or "Alternative Rock" came out and destroyed the 70's and 80's arena rock sound, "new country" has changed the face of "popular country music".

Fine analogy but bad bad comparison.

The 70's and 80's arena rock sound was and is the equivalent of this bland commerical country music today -- except this bland commerical country is still 100 times better than 70's rock.

47 posted on 03/25/2002 10:17:08 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: southern rock
Good post.

"Why aren't young men considered a target demographic for country music. It's kinda sad."

Well, even though we listen to the music, it is the young female who influences the buying decisions of the products these advertisers sell.

There's a time to say to h*ll with the promoters and this is one of those times. Roots music, be it bluegrass, blues, traditional country or early black folk music is very much alive and well, even if the promoters don't get it.

Play the music, introduce others to it and it will indeed flourish.

48 posted on 03/25/2002 10:17:49 AM PST by jumpstartme
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To: Alberta's Child
A major Ian Tyson bump.
49 posted on 03/25/2002 10:20:23 AM PST by canuckwest
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To: Rodney King
A real country station would play Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, David Allan Coe, Merle Haggard, Hank Williams I, II, and III, Charlie Daniels, and Chris Ledoux.

Ah man, I LOVE all of those guys. None of 'em are PC enough to the suburban soccer mom demographic the country stations are going for, however.

Arbitron, not long ago, issued a report on what women want from country radio. And, according to the ratings service, most women do not what to hear radio programming that is not family-friendly. In addition, it continues, "even though women are heavily pressured for time and responsibility, they remain optimists. So, don't play to the negatives."

What the??!!!???!!! This is the exact OPPOSITE of everything country is supposed to be about!!!

50 posted on 03/25/2002 10:21:46 AM PST by southern rock
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To: southern rock
In this sense, country radio is a microcosm of the entertainment industry, in which art is controlled by commerce and corporate committee.

This is why the music industry is dying. The music is nothing, selling toothpaste is what it is all about! I bought the OBWAT soundtrack when it first came out and also Down From The Mountain, Allison and Union Station and other bluegrass artists but still have NEVER heard any bluegrass played on a "country music radio station"! The corporate interests have a death grip on the radio and are running country music right into the ground. They don't give a damn what the fans want to hear. I can only hope that ways are found to go around these roadblocks. There are many bluegrass festivals around the country and if these cd's keep selling the powers that be will have to pay attention someday.

51 posted on 03/25/2002 10:22:19 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Huck
It's fun to go back and look at Billboard charts from the past. Folks remember the few talents, and forget all the other stuff. I don't have any handy, but if you look, you'll find a lot of names that aren't getting much praise on this thread. Anyone want to sing the praises of BJ Thomas, Freddy Fender, Tanya Tucker, or Ronnie Milsap?

Great point, very much so.

We've moved this way in the discussion but it is straying from the actual topic at hand.

In the current case the country music being ignored by radio is hugely commericially popular.

That is the strange thing.

It makes no sense.

The only thing that makes this an issue is that best selling actual country music is not played on country radio.

I think that the fans for this old stuff aren't necessarily country music fans or in that demographic. Those listening to country music stations may well think the old type stuff is strange sounding.

52 posted on 03/25/2002 10:22:33 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: Semper Paratus
And don't forget "Drop-kick Me Jesus Through the Goal Posts of Life!" by Bobby Bare (I think).

g

53 posted on 03/25/2002 10:22:55 AM PST by Geezerette
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To: Gurn
today's "country" music is nothing but bubblegum pop with a steel guitar thrown in.

"Pop music with pedal steel" is the way I phrase it. And it stinks.
54 posted on 03/25/2002 10:24:13 AM PST by NatureGirl
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To: JoeGar
Country Music TV (CMT) and local C&W stations seem inundated with Faith Hill and other girlie videos/music.

Faith Hill is horrible. Her first album was real country, but then she became a VH1 "diva". BLEECH.

55 posted on 03/25/2002 10:24:39 AM PST by southern rock
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To: tallhappy
"It makes no sense."

That's what propaganda is like. It's designed control opinion not reflect it.

57 posted on 03/25/2002 10:29:53 AM PST by Justa
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To: Gurn
What about Gillian Welch?
58 posted on 03/25/2002 10:32:20 AM PST by LibertyGirl77
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To: southern rock
I haven't seen anyone mentions marty robbins or junior brown or......aw man, can't think of his name right now. He played co-star in a john wayne movie......the texan in "rooster cogburn".
59 posted on 03/25/2002 10:32:27 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: LibertyGirl77
She's a great songwriter and vocalist. My list, of course, was far from all-inclusive. 8^)
60 posted on 03/25/2002 10:33:25 AM PST by Gurn
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