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UK police arrest Islamic cleric for soliciting to kill Jews
Reuters/Haaretz Daily ^ | 2/19/02 | Staff Writer

Posted on 02/19/2002 1:31:25 AM PST by veronica

A London-based Muslim cleric was arrested by anti-terrorist officers on Monday amid allegations that he urged Muslims to kill Jews and non-believers, police sources said.

Abdullah el-Faisal, 38, was seized by Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist branch officers in a dawn raid at his home in east London on Monday.

Born in Jamaica and a convert to Islam, he had been touring Britain urging followers to kill Jews and non-believers, police said.

Members of parliament had called for action to be taken against the cleric after it was reported that video tapes carrying his message were on sale in Islamic bookshops in Britain.

"At approximately 7:00 A.M. officers from the anti-terrorist branch arrested a 38-year old man in connection with an allegation of soliciting to murder under the Offences Against the Person Act," a Scotland Yard spokesman told Reuters.

"He is being held at a central London police station," the spokesman added.

Soliciting to commit murder is a rarely used accusation, defined under the Offences against the Person Act as encouraging, persuading, endeavoring to persuade or proposing to a person to murder another person. The maximum sentence is life imprisonment.

Police also raided other addresses across London and, the Scotland Yard spokesman said.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abdullahalfaisal; abdullahelfaisal; abdullahfaisal; alfaisal; elfaisal; faisal; imams; jamaica; terrorclerics; uk

1 posted on 02/19/2002 1:31:25 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
I wonder what this guy's original name was?
2 posted on 02/19/2002 1:35:47 AM PST by piasa
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To: veronica
This is excellent news!

Long overdue, though, to my mind. This man was allowed to spread his hateful rhetoric for far too long.

4 posted on 02/19/2002 1:51:21 AM PST by Tanya Featherstonehaugh
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To: bologna.com

5 posted on 02/19/2002 2:11:52 AM PST by ppaul
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To: veronica
That's good, but you notice it took calls from MPs before anyone did anything.
regards
6 posted on 02/19/2002 3:09:59 AM PST by anatolfz
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To: veronica
I wonder if he has ties to Ricard Reid?
7 posted on 02/19/2002 3:46:13 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
You would think that such a loving, peaceful, religious order would disown and disavow an extremist such as this gentleman. Oh well, I guess we can't condemn them with too broad a brush, we Christians have the likes of the irreverent Jesse Jackson and Big Al Sharpton.
8 posted on 02/19/2002 5:05:01 AM PST by meenie
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To: dennisw, lent, illbay, demidog, jimmyclyde, hockey pop, southern federalist, alouette
FYI.
9 posted on 02/19/2002 5:39:51 AM PST by veronica
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To: benf, nachum, sjackson, monkeyshine, agrace, grlfrnd, a_witness, knighthawk
Bump.
10 posted on 02/19/2002 5:42:03 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
What the hell took them so long to arrest this guy?

Europe seems to be having a problem facing their islamist problem.

11 posted on 02/19/2002 5:43:17 AM PST by beowolf
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To: beowolf,veronica
re : What the hell took them so long to arrest this guy? Europe seems to be having a problem facing their islamist problem.

We spent scare resources on the Drug war.

You spent scare resources on the Drug war.

We spent scarce resources dealing with Irish Terrorist.

You spent scarce resources dealing with the Militia.

It seems we were both looking the wrong way.

Cheers Tony

12 posted on 02/19/2002 5:47:05 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: veronica
Glad he was arrested, hope he never sees the light of day again.
13 posted on 02/19/2002 5:49:11 AM PST by Illbay
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To: veronica
Members of parliament had called for action to be taken against the cleric after it was reported that video tapes carrying his message were on sale in Islamic bookshops in Britain.

It may be argued by some that this guy is just one isolated nut-case and that all religions have their problem priests. However, Islamic bookshops in Britain promoted his views and for that the Muslim community is responsible.

14 posted on 02/19/2002 5:51:59 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
However, Islamic bookshops in Britain promoted his views and for that the Muslim community is responsible.

Good point. The notion of a "radical few" is wearing quite thin. The Islamic community was complicit in aiding and abetting his calls of violence. Why aren't these shops and the mosques he was hosted at be the object of charges of aiding and abetting in his commission of the offence?

15 posted on 02/19/2002 7:20:46 AM PST by Lent
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To: veronica
Let's see the actual statements.
16 posted on 02/19/2002 8:31:09 AM PST by Demidog
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To: tonycavanagh
True Tony (re: wasted resources and efforts). It's somewhat like strains of the flu virus, though....you seem to have a really nasty one, there, in merry old England.
17 posted on 02/19/2002 8:34:45 AM PST by beowolf
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To: Demidog
You don't believe it? LOL.

He was distributing 'race tapes' which called for the murder of Jews.

And then there is this::

AK-47 training held at London mosque

-SNIP-'MI5 has been told by their agents that scores of young men were being sent from the mosque for training at camps in Afghanistan. They reported that consignments of supplies including radio and telecommunications equipment were dispatched to Pakistan for eventual distribution in the Afghan training camps allied to or run by al-Qaeda.

They also revealed a complex operation run by some men attending the mosque to provide volunteers with false documents. Although the men recruited by MI5 were not directly involved in the logistics of supplying overseas Mujahideen, the operation was openly talked about at the mosque.'

18 posted on 02/19/2002 8:46:07 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
He was distributing 'race tapes' which called for the murder of Jews.

I didn't say I didn't believe it. I said what were the exact statements. You obviously do not know and are apparently so gullible that you automatically assume that the statements were made. Have you seen transcripts of the tape? Do you know for a fact that is what he said?

19 posted on 02/19/2002 8:50:51 AM PST by Demidog
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To: RGSpincich
However, Islamic bookshops in Britain promoted his views and for that the Muslim community is responsible.

So then who's responsible for selling copies of Mein Kampf?

20 posted on 02/19/2002 8:51:52 AM PST by Demidog
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To: veronica
Aghh, he was just one of those "peaceful" Muslims.
21 posted on 02/19/2002 9:02:31 AM PST by ZULU
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To: Demidog
Typical that in spite of the fact that this is being reported in many outlets you refuse to believe it. Your typical schtick....
22 posted on 02/19/2002 9:03:26 AM PST by veronica
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To: Demidog
Cleric held over race hate tapes

by Martin Delgado and Adam Blenford

' A London-based Islamic cleric who preaches death to Jews and infidels has been arrested and accused of inciting racial hatred.

Self-styled "sheikh" Abdullah el-Faisal was detained in a raid on his Ilford home yesterday by anti-terrorist officers after the discovery of audio tapes in which the Jamaican-born father of four - formerly known as William Forest - teaches schoolchildren to fire a Kalashnikov. He is being held on suspicion of "soliciting to murder".

One of the £2 tapes has a picture of the World Trade Center in flames on its cover. Another urges young extremists to wage a holy war against Jews and the West. In one tape-recorded speech el-Faisal tells an audience of British schoolboys: "All of you sitting down in front of me are soldiers. Is it sensible for you to be a soldier and you don't know how to shoot a Kalashnikov?"

The Islam convert has been under investigation by Scotland Yard for several weeks, following protests by MPs. El-Faisal, 38, addresses his followers at the Jagonari educational centre in Whitechapel every Saturday. His tapes are on sale at the Muslim Information Services bookshop opposite the Finsbury Park mosque.'

23 posted on 02/19/2002 9:07:49 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
You keep saying I refuse to believe it yet you yourself have no idea what the tapes ACTUALLY said.
24 posted on 02/19/2002 9:10:37 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Blah blah blah the articles explain it all...
25 posted on 02/19/2002 9:34:38 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
Have you seen the tapes? Do you have a transcript of the tapes? "blah blah blah no I haven't seen the transcripts but the articles all must be taken as gospel..."
26 posted on 02/19/2002 9:41:33 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
I don't have the tapes -- are you calling all the reporters liars? Why don't you order the tapes and listen. I know this news upsets you...but...DEAL.
27 posted on 02/19/2002 9:46:08 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
I'm showing that you haven't got a lick of skepticism for the media if they say something that you wish to believe.
28 posted on 02/19/2002 10:03:52 AM PST by Demidog
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To: beowolf
But we're a society based on law and free speech, so it takes a while to get the antibodies going.
29 posted on 02/19/2002 12:12:41 PM PST by Tanya Featherstonehaugh
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To: veronica
A London-based Muslim cleric was arrested by anti-terrorist officers on Monday amid allegations that he urged Muslims to kill Jews and non-believers, police sources said.

Why...this is just a Jewish plot to make the Muslims look bad. /sarcasm.

30 posted on 02/19/2002 12:33:50 PM PST by BenF
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To: Demidog
Can you give a link to any thread on which you have ever expressed skepticism about any media report that put Israel in a bad light? If not, quit yapping, Rover.
31 posted on 02/20/2002 7:21:13 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: backhoe; piasa

UPDATE:

Note: Photo included.

http://www.nefafoundation.org/reports.html#alfaisal1009
http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/nefa_alfaisal1009.pdf

#

blog:

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2009/10/nefa_backgrounder_abdullah_al-.php

“NEFA Backgrounder: Abdullah al-Faisal: Extremist Ideologue with Influence in the West”
By Madeleine Gruen

SNIPPET: “The NEFA Foundation has released a new backgrounder on Abdullah al-Faisal; an extremist ideologue based in Jamaica who reaches supporters worldwide via the Internet, and through extensive international travel, particularly to Africa. Al-Faisal formerly resided in the UK, and was of such sufficient concern there that he was arrested for inciting murder, and accused of inspiring young Muslims to travel abroad for training or to participate in violent jihad. Al-Faisal has been credited with providing spiritual mentorship to men connected with terrorist acts and major plots including 7/7 London transit bombers Mohammed Sidique Khan and Germaine Lindsay and James Ujaama, an American who conspired to establish a jihad training camp in Bly, Oregon. In 2003, al-Faisal became the first person in 100 years to be found guilty in British court of soliciting murder under section four of the Offences against the Person Act 1861, on the basis that he “encouraged others to murder persons unknown.” He was sentenced to seven years in prison, but was released in May 2007 after serving only four years, and was extradited back to his native Jamaica.”

(October 7, 2009)


32 posted on 10/08/2009 1:50:07 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

/mark, mam


33 posted on 10/08/2009 1:50:46 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace ( There was a hole here. It's gone now)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Thank you happinesswithoutpeace.


34 posted on 10/08/2009 1:51:31 AM PDT by Cindy
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