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Was Hitler's Homosexuality Nazism's Best-Kept Secret?
Insight Magazine ^ | Feb. 4, 2002 | Nathaniel S. Lehrman

Posted on 02/05/2002 12:58:18 PM PST by Double Eagle Sword of Justice

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To: OWK;KHEPERA;dr good will hunting;*braad;*christian
Yes. Quite frankly I don't think you're being truthful here. And I think your "not guilty unless you can prove otherwise" is a perfect tacit admission of same.

I think your grasp of the English language and your ignorance is showing. You DARE to call Khepera a liar? You are a very sick puppy. I hesitate to call you a man because you are so adamant about HOMOSEXUALITY yet you profess to be "Normal" ROFLMAO !!! You are also a father? Do you teach your children that sodomy is okay? You must, because you preach it so mightily here… We all know that you are not a hypocrite…right? So what do you teach your children?

I find your views appaling and as a father you make me ill.

201 posted on 02/07/2002 5:50:42 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: sneakypete
Hitler was a Corporal when the war ended,again showing he didn't exactly have friends in high places.

No, that clearly came later as stated in the article.

202 posted on 02/07/2002 6:12:20 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Thud
Which is why so many German homosexuals were murdered in concentration camps.

The concept of homosexuals being sent to concentration camps is purely a homo myth. Several were sent to prison camps for violating the Weimar Republic era sodomy laws, but there was no organized campaign to round them up and exterminate them as there was with the Jews.

203 posted on 02/07/2002 6:14:39 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Khepera
Look ArGee its OWKs dream world come alive.

That's completely out of line. Shame on you!

204 posted on 02/07/2002 6:22:14 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
So many homosexuals were sent to the camps that they had their own designation - a pink triangle as opposed to the yellow star Jews had to wear.
205 posted on 02/07/2002 6:58:01 AM PST by Thud
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To: FormerLib
No, that clearly came later as stated in the article.

Don't try to change the focus of my statement. It was CLEARLY to make the point that Hitler EARNED a Iron Cross and a wound badge during WW-1,and he did so mostly likely as a private. Privates didn't earn Iron Crosses by staying behind the battle lines as a REMF,which is what this article claims Hitler was. Yeah,he had friends in high places AFTER the war,but this had nothing to do with what happened during the war.

206 posted on 02/07/2002 7:25:53 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: wwjdn
I think your grasp of the English language and your ignorance is showing. You DARE to call Khepera a liar? You are a very sick puppy. I hesitate to call you a man because you are so adamant about HOMOSEXUALITY yet you profess to be "Normal" ROFLMAO !!! You are also a father? Do you teach your children that sodomy is okay? You must, because you preach it so mightily here… We all know that you are not a hypocrite…right? So what do you teach your children? I find your views appaling and as a father you make me ill.

Let me help to disabuse you of some of the confusion you suffer, you ignorant ass.

I have not once suggested that homoexuality is "OK". Nor have I once suggested that it is normal. Nor have I suggested that I would teach these things to my children.

What I HAVE suggested, is that government may not morally imprison consenting adults for the "crime" of homosexuality.

Is that tepid bowl of grey mush on the top of your head capable of making this distinction?

While homosexuality is certainly an abnormality, and while quite frankly the concept is nauseating to me.... This does NOT give me (or anyone else) the moral authority to stick a gun in another man's face, and demand that he cease.

If his actions violate the rights of others, then by all means restrain them. Otherwise you might actually consider doing what Your Lord commanded of you.

Perhaps if you spent one third as much time actually studying the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, as you did practicing the role of a fat-fingered self-righteous blowhard of a pharisee, you would actually understand that your role is a Christian, is not to kick others in the nuts for Jesus, and then giggle in self-congratulatory glee with other pharisees.

Your role as a Christian was specified in great detail by the Nazarene himself. He instructed you to be a humble, peaceful, compassionate, and loving witness to the wonders of his father in heaven.

But I suppose you (being the special Christian that you are), recieved a set of special instructions, whereby you, and you alone, were commanded to be a sniveling little self-righteous punk, spitting in the eye of sinners, and glorifying yourself.

Your failure as a human being is obvious, but your failure to the teachings you claim to espouse is even more apparent.

Frankly, it must be miserable to live such a petty and vindictive life.

I hope you find peace some day.

207 posted on 02/07/2002 8:09:30 AM PST by OWK
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To: Thud
So many homosexuals were sent to the camps that they had their own designation - a pink triangle as opposed to the yellow star Jews had to wear.

Actually, all criminals had a designation as did political prisoners (brown triangle). These designations were actually in use prior to the establishment of the camps.

So, how many homosexuals are you attempting to claim were sent to the prison camps?

208 posted on 02/07/2002 8:26:48 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: sneakypete
Privates didn't earn Iron Crosses by staying behind the battle lines as a REMF,which is what this article claims Hitler was.

The article correctly identifies Hitler as being primarily a behind-the-lines messenger. That is just a historic fact. However, sometimes even behind the lines folks end up on the front lines, as did Hitler. Sometimes, they even exhibit extraordinary bravery in such situations, as did Hitler, apparently, since he did win the Iron Cross, 2nd Class.

209 posted on 02/07/2002 8:29:36 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: OWK;khepera;dr good will hunting
According to the Bible we are to witness to sinner and then if they fail to repent we are to shake the dust from our feet and move, never to associate with them again.

The governement does have the obligation to regulate morals, without which there would be no laws!

I love the sinner and hate the sin

210 posted on 02/07/2002 8:36:21 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: FormerLib
Sorry, to disappoint you. However the OSS investigated the true sexuality of Hitler. He was in fact a homosexual as were most of the original 7 memebers of the NazI party. It is common practice to persecute the very people that most threaten you, namely fellow homosexuals. hitler did not want the German people to know the truth fearful he would lose power. The fact that the only women that were ever known to have been "alone" with him, ended up commiting suicide is a testiment to his evil. No women would live that knew the truth. Including Eva Braun.
211 posted on 02/07/2002 8:38:38 AM PST by marty60
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To: wwjdn
I love the sinner and hate the sin

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.

Maybe one day you'll even believe it.

212 posted on 02/07/2002 8:41:54 AM PST by OWK
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To: FormerLib
The article correctly identifies Hitler as being primarily a behind-the-lines messenger. That is just a historic fact. However, sometimes even behind the lines folks end up on the front lines, as did Hitler. Sometimes, they even exhibit extraordinary bravery in such situations, as did Hitler, apparently, since he did win the Iron Cross, 2nd Class. 209 posted on 2/7/02 9:29 AM Pacific by FormerLib

Thanks for correcting the history on this. This is more-or-less Shirer's take in Rise and Fall, but I didn't feel like going to the trouble of posting it.

Your summation, however, is adequate and apt.

213 posted on 02/07/2002 8:46:30 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: FormerLib
However, sometimes even behind the lines folks end up on the front lines, as did Hitler. Sometimes, they even exhibit extraordinary bravery in such situations, as did Hitler, apparently, since he did win the Iron Cross, 2nd Class.

Right,but notice how the author of this piece took care to not mention this,but DID mention Hitler was a "behind the scenes messenger"? Spin is spin.

214 posted on 02/07/2002 8:47:53 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete, Formerlib
Right,but notice how the author of this piece took care to not mention this,but DID mention Hitler was a "behind the scenes messenger"? Spin is spin. 214 posted on 2/7/02 9:47 AM Pacific by sneakypete

Read the article without the assumption that the author is trying to "spin" Hitler as a rear-echelon wimp. Realize that he is not trying to deny Hitler's battlefield exploits late in the war, but simply to identify those chronological periods where homosexual relationships occurred. Hitler's long stint as a communications runner is one such occasion, and so earns mention -- because that is the subject with which the author is concerned.

FWIW, I've read Shirer, and I've read Pink Swastika, and several others. I don't believe that Hitler was himself a homosexual, at least not exclusively so, although he certainly preferred their company much of the time. "Ambivalent bisexual" or "homoerotic heterosexual" might be more accurate. Generally-funked-up-in-the-head works too. JMHO.

215 posted on 02/07/2002 9:57:15 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Generally-funked-up-in-the-head works too. JMHO.

Not much doubt about that. I think his real turn-on was power,not sex.

216 posted on 02/07/2002 10:32:37 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Double Eagle Sword of Justice
The Nazi's homosexuality was the talk of the town the 3 1/2 years I was in the US Army Berlin Brigade. We even used to joke about it with the Soviets (I was a Russian translator.) I used to flaunt my Finnish heritage because they were always making gay jokes about the Germans.
217 posted on 02/07/2002 11:33:36 PM PST by Born on the Storm King
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To: OWK;khepera;homeschool mama
Thank you, I am at peace with myself and God. I know that HOMOSEXUALITY is a sin and that all laws should be founded on good moral values. So yes HOMOSEXUALITY should be illegal. I also don't need to cuss at people who have differing views to get my point across clearly. I also am quite comfortable that my actions and words teach others, especially my children, that sin is to be avoided at all times and that is not okay for “two consenting” adults to do whatever they desire in public, or to discuss it in public

You claim to be a normal man who loves women, sorry but I think you lie to even yourself. I have no reason to support immoral behavior especially abortion (murder) and homosexuality. Yet you seem to be a great warrior in the fight for their misguided right to be immoral and to degrade and demoralize our society. That is your choice, but don’t get offended if people call you a homosexual or think you are a bad father. You set yourself up for this kind of honest criticism. As a father you teach your children more than you can know until it’s too late. If you consider immorality as normal your children will see your actions and words, and practice what the see.

I am not a perfect Christian, nor will I ever be, but I try. So look at yourself the next time you wish to call me names and cuss at me so violently for being honest. Honesty is a forgotten trait that I still value. I hope that you will spend some time in retrospect, as I have, before replying. I will be labeled with the values you express, as for me I am a Christian, freely and openly and gladly.

218 posted on 02/08/2002 8:46:10 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
The governement does have the obligation to regulate morals, without which there would be no laws!

My morals or yours?

219 posted on 02/08/2002 9:03:00 AM PST by Joe Driscoll
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To: wwjdn
bump for truth
220 posted on 02/08/2002 9:10:42 AM PST by homeschool mama
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