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Hollywood deal could fund legal defense for Marin Taliban fighter
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 16 December 2001 | Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross

Posted on 12/16/2001 7:56:46 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:39:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The media furor surrounding Marin County's "American Taliban" has turned into a full-fledged frenzy, with cash being waved about as if it were a Hollywood production . . . which it may well become.

John Walker's family has been besieged almost from day one by book and movie offers, sources say. And even Chronicle reporters covering the story have been queried by agents looking to do a deal.


(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hollywood; hollywoodpinglist; lindh
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1 posted on 12/16/2001 7:56:46 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I think I'm going to puke.
2 posted on 12/16/2001 7:59:45 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Ditto. Hope they save enough for his upcoming funeral expenses.
3 posted on 12/16/2001 8:01:45 AM PST by choicenotecho
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Next it will Katie Couric calling "Johnny" a good boy.
4 posted on 12/16/2001 8:02:36 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: CounterCounterCulture
None dare call it treason.
5 posted on 12/16/2001 8:03:14 AM PST by TejasRose
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To: TejasRose
The movie will be a guaranteed dud at the box office.
6 posted on 12/16/2001 8:05:16 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: CounterCounterCulture
This traitors parents should really going into hiding if they profit from this. I don't think the American public would be to sympathetic to them or any media outlet that tries to profit from this traitor.
7 posted on 12/16/2001 8:06:56 AM PST by healey22
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To: CounterCounterCulture
TV networks sending expensive gift baskets to Lindh on his birthday

This makes me sick! Why can't they just go out and get the news instead of PAYING for it.

8 posted on 12/16/2001 8:10:56 AM PST by kcvl
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Who is going to be his lawyer? Alan Dirt-so-Rich?
9 posted on 12/16/2001 8:11:08 AM PST by pray4liberty
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I think Hollywood and the media has forgotten one little thing here. This guy is a traitor and the very thought of him turns the stomach of every good American. We won't reward him by reading books by or about him, nor will we go to movies about his life. If they want to throw away their money, let them, it'll be an expensive lesson for them to learn.
10 posted on 12/16/2001 8:12:21 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Why am I reminded of that movie that came out a while ago, "15 Minutes" with Robert DeNiro? Frightening resemblance.
11 posted on 12/16/2001 8:13:13 AM PST by Matt32
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To: Catspaw
"I think I'm going to puke."

Save me half the barf bag!!
12 posted on 12/16/2001 8:14:11 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: McGavin999
My friend told me last night that poor Johnny is just a confused boy. He didn't know what he was doing.

I asked her if our troops were also confused boys, because on the average, they are 19 1/2 years old. Even younger that Jihad Johnny.

13 posted on 12/16/2001 8:17:37 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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Also from the San Francisco Chronicle
14 posted on 12/16/2001 8:18:37 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: pray4liberty
See #14
15 posted on 12/16/2001 8:20:30 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture
"The TV networks are doing everything they can to bag interviews with the family, sending expensive gift baskets to Lindh on his birthday a week ago and clogging his mail slot with packages begging for his time."

Typical network quisling-qarp behavior.
Enrich the lowest form of life prevelent at a given moment.
Next thing ya know, they'll be saying will be something like...
"For every (ticket/book/whatever) sold, we'll be donating $1 to the NYC Firefighter's Fund."
Shameless freaks & ghouls one & all.

...very typical behavior, indeed.

16 posted on 12/16/2001 8:21:44 AM PST by Landru
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Isn't it customary to issue projectile vomiting alerts for pieces like this? I'm still gagging...this is just atrocious.
17 posted on 12/16/2001 8:26:06 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: goldstategop
"The movie will be a guaranteed dud at the box office."

Ah, but Lifetime and the other "women's" channels will run it, and the Oprah-ites will applaud wildly. Unfortunate, but true.

18 posted on 12/16/2001 8:27:56 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Doesn't California have a "Son of Sam" law that prevents people from profiting from their crimes through the sale of books, movies, or TV rights? Are parents/relatives covered by this law? Does it apply to those who are just accused, or only to those convicted of crimes?
19 posted on 12/16/2001 8:32:26 AM PST by financeprof
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To: CounterCounterCulture
We should distribute a list of all contributors to the Johnny Walker's defense fund and Freep them.
20 posted on 12/16/2001 8:37:07 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Shouldn't be much of a fund.

A suit, a casket and two round trip tickets to Guam for the family.

21 posted on 12/16/2001 8:38:58 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: financeprof
Don't know.

Any California lawyers want to chime in?

22 posted on 12/16/2001 8:41:06 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: financeprof
California's Son of Sam law "probably" doesn't cover federal crimes, only state crimes.

Michael Savage was predicting this feeding frenzy within 48 hours of Rat-Boy's capture. Maybe not the most prescient thing in the world (I thought the same thing), but no other talk show host that I've heard predicted the rush to fund.

23 posted on 12/16/2001 8:42:29 AM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: Catspaw
Doesn't the Son of Sam Law apply here?
24 posted on 12/16/2001 8:45:01 AM PST by Hildy
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To: Landru
Every word you say is true....except for one...they will donate 2 DOLLARS....that makes it okay, ya see...

R O T F L M A O
25 posted on 12/16/2001 8:52:58 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: pray4liberty
"Who is going to be his lawyer? Alan Dirt-so-Rich?"

No, it will be Johnnie C.,because Clarence Page has deemed him a "white negro".
26 posted on 12/16/2001 8:56:12 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I'm investing in both tar and feather providers stock right now, I predict a run on both shortly.
27 posted on 12/16/2001 8:58:23 AM PST by Caipirabob
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To: golitely;1 fellow freeper
"Ah, but Lifetime and the other 'women's' channels will run it, and the Oprah-ites will applaud wildly. Unfortunate, but true."

HA!!
Now this statement's as clever & insightful, as it is rich.
Just so Hollyweird!!

...some mighty fertile ground here, for "Victim TV." ;^)

28 posted on 12/16/2001 9:02:46 AM PST by Landru
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I'm ill with this news, but it's expected. Johnny Jihad's dad is supposedly gay too. I keep hearing those rumors, that's why he left the wife and has a *roommate* who's an owner of a gay bathhouse.
29 posted on 12/16/2001 9:24:48 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Is it any surprise that Hollywood would toss out the big bucks to glorify treason?
30 posted on 12/16/2001 9:57:22 AM PST by The Toad
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To: grlfrnd
Bad fruit from a rotten tree. Typical.
31 posted on 12/16/2001 10:02:26 AM PST by pray4liberty
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To: golitely
I'm still waiting for the "Linda Trip Story" on Lifetime. I am not holding my breath however. I'm sure she could use the $$$$ after all the grief the Klintoons caused her.
32 posted on 12/16/2001 10:12:08 AM PST by JHENN22499
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I'm so tired of people making excuses for people like Jihad Johnny. He's the child of people who were so selfabsorbed they couldn't spend enough time with the child to teach him right from wrong. None the less, he's 20 years old and should have enough sense to know that you don't go join a terrorist organization in order to "get attention".

I've heard of people without a moral core, but this is ridiculous.

33 posted on 12/16/2001 11:19:37 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
This jerk is a legal adult. He could vote, paid taxes, and join the military. In fact, he Chose to do just that, Bin Laden's army.

Ths guy isn't a boy. He's a man, and it's time to make a man out of him.

34 posted on 12/16/2001 11:29:49 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Hildy
Doesn't the Son of Sam Law apply here?

It damn well had better--BUT it doesn't extend to the family--you know, dear old Mom & Dad selling their rights, becoming "consultants" to the movie/book deal, the lecture circuit, with Mom & Dad paying for his lawyer out of these funds (the trial, the appeals, etc.), plus keeping his prison account nice & fat.

I've increased the size of my barf bag to a leaf bag size.

35 posted on 12/16/2001 12:39:02 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: *Hollywood Ping List;amore
indexing
36 posted on 12/16/2001 12:43:01 PM PST by vikingchick
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To: golitely
"Ah, but Lifetime and the other "women's" channels will run it, and the Oprah-ites will applaud wildly. Unfortunate, but true."

Yes, the women will eat up this sort of thing.

37 posted on 12/16/2001 12:50:29 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Yes, the women will eat up this sort of thing. Us freepers are good at that.
38 posted on 12/16/2001 2:05:15 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Don Myers
Yes, the women will eat up this sort of thing.

Oops. A paragraph got dropped.

I'm a woman, and if this thing is made, I will boycott any company, network, theater, TV station or any other media outlet that touches this thing. If necessary, I will organize a national boycott against it--plus any advertiser that wants product placement. If necessary, I will organize a national demonstration against it--and I'm sure every family that lost a loved one on 9/11 would join me.

Us freepers are good at that.

39 posted on 12/16/2001 2:08:03 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Many, many women in the US would positively saliver over the story of how a mother's child, with the best of motives, got caught up in the evil war fostered by the US on an unsuspecting and innocent people.

It will be the story of a young man's search for enlightenment and peace in a hostile world.

40 posted on 12/16/2001 2:17:00 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
It will be the story of a young man's search for enlightenment and peace in a hostile world.

I'm already up to a leaf bag-sized barf bag. Any more of this & I'm going to have to go industrial strength, probably a 10 x 10 ft. tarp.

BTW, the lawyer for Jihad Johnny has hired a PR firm.

41 posted on 12/16/2001 2:20:20 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: financeprof
California’s Son of Sam law appears to be Section 2225, which reads as follows:

(a) As used in this section:

(1) "Convicted felon" means any person convicted of a felony, or found not guilty by reason of insanity of a felony committed in California, either by a court or jury trial or by entry of a plea in court

(2) "Felony" means a felony defined by any California or United States statute.

(3)(A) "Representative of the felon" means any person or entity receiving proceeds or profits by designation of that felon, on behalf of that felon, or in the stead of that felon, whether by the felon's designation or by operation of law.

(B) "Profiteer of the felony" means any person who sells or transfers for profit any memorabilia or other property or thing of the felon, the value of which is enhanced by the notoriety gained from the commission of the felony for which the felon was convicted. This subparagraph shall not apply to any media entity reporting on the felon's story or on the sale of the materials, memorabilia, or other property or thing of the felon. Nor shall it apply to the sale of the materials, as the term is defined in paragraph (6), where the seller is exercising his or her first amendment rights. This subparagraph also shall not apply to the sale or transfer by a profiteer of any other expressive work protected by the First Amendment unless the sale or transfer is primarily for a commercial or speculative purpose.

(4)(A) "Beneficiary" means a person who, under applicable law, other than the provisions of this section, has or had a right to recover damages from the convicted felon for physical, mental, or emotional injury, or pecuniary loss proximately caused by the convicted felon as a result of the crime for which the felon was convicted.

(B) If a beneficiary described in subparagraph (A) has died, "beneficiary" also includes a person or estate entitled to recover damages pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 377.10) of Title 3 of Part 2 of the Code of Civil Procedure.

(C) If a person has died and the death was proximately caused by the convicted felon as a result of the crime for which the felon was convicted, "beneficiary" also includes a person described in Section 377.60 of the Code of Civil Procedure and any beneficiary of a will of the decedent who had a right under that will to receive more than 25 percent of the value of the estate of the decedent.

(5) "Beneficiary's interest" means that portion of the proceeds or profits necessary to pay the following:

(A) In the case of a beneficiary described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (4), those damages that, under applicable law, other than the provisions of this section, the beneficiary has or had a right to recover from the convicted felon for injuries proximately caused by the convicted felon as a result of the crime for which the felon was convicted. (B) In the case of a beneficiary described in subparagraph (C) of paragraph (4), those damages that, under all the circumstances of the case, may be just.

(C) A beneficiary's interest shall be reduced by the following amount:

(i) Money paid to the beneficiary from the Restitution Fund because of the crime for which the felon was convicted.

(ii) Money paid to the beneficiary by the convicted felon because of a requirement of restitution imposed by a court in connection with the crime for which the felon was convicted. (iii) Money paid to the beneficiary because of a judgment against the convicted felon based upon the crime for which the felon was convicted.

(D) In the case of an unsatisfied existing judgment or order of restitution against the convicted felon and in favor of a beneficiary, any money paid to the beneficiary pursuant to this section shall be applied to reduce the amount of the unsatisfied judgment or order. (6) "Materials" means books, magazine or newspaper articles, movies, films, videotapes, sound recordings, interviews or appearances on television and radio stations, and live presentations of any kind.

(7) "Story" means a depiction, portrayal, or reenactment of a felony and shall not be taken to mean a passing mention of the felony, as in a footnote or bibliography. (8) "Sale" includes lease, license, or any other transfer or alienation taking place in California or elsewhere.

(9) "Proceeds" means all fees, royalties, real property, or other consideration of any and every kind or nature received by or owing to a felon or his or her representatives for the preparation for the purpose of sale of materials, for the sale of the rights to materials, or the sale or distribution by the convicted felon of materials whether earned, accrued, or paid before or after the conviction. It includes any interest, earnings, or accretions upon proceeds, and any property received in exchange for proceeds.

(10) "Profits" means all income from anything sold or transferred by the felon, a representative of the felon, or a profiteer of the felony, including any right, the value of which thing or right is enhanced by the notoriety gained from the commission of a felony for which a convicted felon was convicted. This income may have been accrued, earned, or paid before or after the conviction. However, voluntary donations or contributions to a defendant to assist in the defense of criminal charges shall not be deemed to be "profits," provided the donation or contribution to that defense is not given in exchange for some material of value.

(b)(1) All proceeds from the preparation for the purpose of sale, the sale of the rights to, or the sale of materials that include or are based on the story of a felony for which a convicted felon was convicted, shall be subject to an involuntary trust for the benefit of the beneficiaries set forth in this section. That trust shall continue until five years after the time of payment of the proceeds to the felon or five years after the date of conviction, whichever is later. If an action is filed by a beneficiary to recover his or her interest in a trust within those time limitations, the trust character of the property shall continue until the conclusion of the action. At the end of the five-year trust period, any proceeds that remain in trust that have not been claimed by a beneficiary shall be transferred to the Controller, to be allocated to the Restitution Fund for the payment of claims pursuant to Section 13969 of the Government Code.

(2) All profits shall be subject to an involuntary trust for the benefit of the beneficiaries set forth in this section. That trust shall continue until five years after the time of payment of the profits to the felon or five years after the date of conviction, whichever is later. If an action is filed by a beneficiary to recover his or her interest in a trust within those time limitations, the trust character of the property shall continue until the conclusion of the action. At the end of the five-year trust period, any profits that remain in trust that have not been claimed by a beneficiary shall be transferred to the Controller, to be allocated to the Restitution Fund for the payment of claims pursuant to Section 13969 of the Government Code.

(3) Notwithstanding paragraph (2), in the case of a sale or transfer by a profiteer of the felony, the court in an action under subdivision (c) shall, upon an adequate showing by the profiteer of the felony, exclude from the involuntary trust that portion of the profits that represents the inherent value of the memorabilia, property, or thing sold or transferred and exclusive of the amount of the enhancement to the value due to the notoriety of the convicted felon.

(c)(1) Any beneficiary may bring an action against a convicted felon, representative of the felon, or a profiteer of a felony to recover his or her interest in the trust established by this section. (2) That action may be brought in the superior court of the county in which the beneficiary resides, or of the county in which the convicted felon resides, or of the county in which proceeds or profits are located.

(3) If the court determines that a beneficiary is entitled to proceeds or profits pursuant to this section, the court shall order the payment from proceeds or profits that have been received, and, if that is insufficient, from proceeds or profits that may be received in the future.

(d) If there are two or more beneficiaries and if the available proceeds or profits are insufficient to pay all beneficiaries, the proceeds or profits shall be equitably apportioned among the beneficiaries taking into account the impact of the crime upon them. Prior to any distribution of any proceeds to a beneficiary, the court shall determine whether the convicted felon has failed to pay any portion of a restitution fine or penalty fine imposed by a court, or any restitution imposed as a condition of probation. The court shall also determine whether the felon is obligated to reimburse a governmental entity for the costs of his or her defense and whether a portion of the proceeds is needed to cover his or her reasonable attorney's fees incurred in the criminal proceeding related to the felony, or any appeal or other related proceeding, or in the defense of the action brought under this section. The court shall order payment of these obligations prior to any payment to a beneficiary, except that 60 percent of the proceeds or profits shall be reserved for payment to the beneficiaries.

(e)(1) The Attorney General may bring an action to require proceeds or profits received by a convicted felon to be held in an express trust in a bank authorized to act as a trustee. (2) An action may be brought under this subdivision within one year after the receipt of proceeds or profits by a convicted felon or one year after the date of conviction, whichever is later.

That action may be brought in the superior court of any county in which the Attorney General has an office.

(3) If the Attorney General proves that the proceeds or profits are proceeds or profits from the sale of a story or thing of value that are subject to an involuntary trust pursuant to this section, and that it is more probable than not that there are beneficiaries within the meaning of this section, the court shall order that all proceeds or profits be deposited in a bank and held by the bank as trustee of the trust until an order of disposition is made by a court pursuant to subdivision (d), or until the expiration of the period specified in subdivision (b).

(4) If the Attorney General prevails in an action under this subdivision, the court shall order the payment from the proceeds or profits to the Attorney General of reasonable costs and attorney's fees.

(f)(1) In any action brought pursuant to this section, upon motion of a party the court shall grant a preliminary injunction to prevent any waste of proceeds or profits if it appears that the proceeds or profits are subject to the provisions of this section, and that they may be subject to waste.

(2) Upon motion of the Attorney General or any potential beneficiary, the court shall grant a preliminary injunction against a person against whom an indictment or information for a felony has been filed in superior court to prevent any waste of proceeds or profits if there is probable cause to believe that the proceeds or profits would be subject to an involuntary trust pursuant to this section upon conviction of this person, and that they may be subject to waste.

(g) Any violation of an order of a court made pursuant to this section shall be punishable as contempt.

(h) The remedies provided by this section are in addition to other remedies provided by law. No period of limitations, except those provided by this section, shall limit the right of recovery under this section.

42 posted on 12/16/2001 3:35:43 PM PST by Amore
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I posted the statute you asked about.
43 posted on 12/16/2001 3:58:10 PM PST by Amore
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To: Catspaw
"BTW, the lawyer for Jihad Johnny has hired a PR firm."

That is not surprising.

44 posted on 12/16/2001 3:59:20 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: CounterCounterCulture
These people are news whores.
45 posted on 12/16/2001 4:04:24 PM PST by GretchenEE
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To: Amore
Nice catch--thanks. I conclude that (a) the statute coul preclude use of funds by his family for purposes of his defense, and (b) Walker could be enjoined from using the funds prior to conviction. It is also interesting to note that an insanity plea (which has been suggested as a legal strategy) would also preclude him from collecting any money from his story. Moreover, the statute makes it clear that the state law covers crimes that violate federal as well as state statutes. The main difficulty I see is that the law pertains to felonies committed in California.

This last could be a major hurdle, and is likely to be an issue in any state statute. Anyone know if there is a US Son of Sam statute?

46 posted on 12/16/2001 6:03:04 PM PST by financeprof
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To: financeprof
Bingo! There is such a law:

18 U.S.C. 3681

(a) Upon the motion of the United States attorney made at any time after conviction of a defendant for an offense under section 794 of this title or for an offense against the United States resulting in physical harm to an individual, and after notice to any interested party, the court shall, if the court determines that the interest of justice or an order of restitution under this title so requires, order such defendant to forfeit all or any part of proceeds received or to be received by that defendant, or a transferee of that defendant, from a contract relating to a depiction of such crime in a movie, book, newspaper, magazine, radio or television production, or live entertainment of any kind, or an expression of that defendant's thoughts, opinions, or emotions regarding such crime.

(b) An order issued under subsection (a) of this section shall require that the person with whom the defendant contracts pay to the Attorney General any proceeds due the defendant under such contract.

(c)(1) Proceeds paid to the Attorney General under this section shall be retained in escrow in the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury by the Attorney General for five years after the date of an order under this section, but during that five year period may--

(A) be levied upon to satisfy--

(i) a money judgment rendered by a United States district court in favor of a victim of an offense for which such defendant has been convicted, or a legal representative of such victim; and

(ii) a fine imposed by a court of the United States; and

(B) if ordered by the court in the interest of justice, be used to--

(i) satisfy a money judgment rendered in any court in favor of a victim of any offense for which such defendant has been convicted, or a legal representative of such victim; and

(ii) pay for legal representation of the defendant in matters arising from the offense for which such defendant has been convicted, but no more than 20 percent of the total proceeds may be so used.

(2) The court shall direct the disposition of all such proceeds in the possession of the Attorney General at the end of such five years and may require that all or any part of such proceeds be released from escrow and paid into the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury.

(d) As used in this section, the term "interested party" includes the defendant and any transferee of proceeds due the defendant under the contract, the person with whom the defendant has contracted, and any person physically harmed as a result of the offense for which the defendant has been convicted.

(I don't know what section 794 covers, but it could be debated (well, it already is being debated) as to whether he committed an "offense against the United States resulting in physical harm to an individual.")

47 posted on 12/16/2001 6:35:32 PM PST by Amore
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To: CounterCounterCulture; litany_of_lies; Hildy; Catspaw
See my posts #42 & #47 re: Son of Sam laws.
48 posted on 12/16/2001 6:39:38 PM PST by Amore
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To: Amore
Thanks for the information.
49 posted on 12/16/2001 8:16:19 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Michael Isikoff on MSNBC just now reported live that Johnny boy is singing like a canary; he's not just a "foot soldier".....he's been to the camps, knows how to use all the weapons, and has admitted being in al Qaeda, not just the Taliban; he also has been with OBL on more than one occasion.

Isikoff said the people at DOD are hot to get this guy big time, throw the book at him.

The parents, Marily and Frank, are going to have a hard time spinning this one. Time for a rewrite???

50 posted on 12/16/2001 8:21:22 PM PST by Howlin
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