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Neil Young Defends Anti-Terrorism Crackdown
www.dailynews.yahoo.com ^ | Dec.12,2001 | Reuters

Posted on 12/12/2001 10:12:42 AM PST by windcliff

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To: cdwright
I hear Mr. Young travels with his family. Assuming his wife is female, I'm encouraged by that.

Neil and his wife, Pegi, have been married for more than twenty years, he dedicates songs and albums to her, and when she was diagnosed with a life-threatening brain tumor a few years back he stuck by her side and didn't dump her, as lesser stars have done with "damaged" or older wives/girlfriends.

Of their three children, the two boys are afflicted by cerebal palsy, so they do extensive charity work in that field, and Neil founded and helps operate a company that develops cutting edge technology for wheelchairs and other devices to help the handicapped.

His latest LP, Silver and Gold, is an homage to family life and the value of growing old together.

He does have his head on straight, he enjoys hanging out on his ranch with his guns, and he's one of the few good guys in the entertainment racket. He may not do everything that a John Bircher would like to see, but considering his melieu, he is a good decent fellow.

Freegards, brother Freeper!!!!!

121 posted on 12/13/2001 12:26:32 PM PST by Leesylvanian
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To: cdwright
I hear Mr. Young travels with his family. Assuming his wife is female, I'm encouraged by that.

Neil and his wife, Pegi, have been married for more than twenty years, he dedicates songs and albums to her, and when she was diagnosed with a life-threatening brain tumor a few years back he stuck by her side and didn't dump her, as lesser stars have done with "damaged" or older wives/girlfriends.

Of their three children, the two boys are afflicted by cerebal palsy, so they do extensive charity work in that field, and Neil founded and helps operate a company that develops cutting edge technology for wheelchairs and other devices to help the handicapped.

His latest LP, Silver and Gold, is an homage to family life and the value of growing old together.

He does have his head on straight, he enjoys hanging out on his ranch with his guns, and he's one of the few good guys in the entertainment racket. He may not do everything that a John Bircher would like to see, but considering his melieu, he is a good decent fellow.

Freegards, brother Freeper!!!!!

122 posted on 12/13/2001 12:26:57 PM PST by Leesylvanian
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To: LazarusX
I'm really interested in where you're coming from with your comment about libertarians being stalinists, but you seem to have decided to act like a jerk. Can you please try to make some sense?

A true libertarian [if there were such a thing] would ignore me. You aren't ignoring me - you're trying to rub my face in the mud, just like a good little stalinist.

If you want further evidence of the stalinism at the heart of libertarianism, first read this op-ed from last week's Wall Street Journal:

[WSJ.com]
December 5, 2001

Commentary

Yes, Don't Impede Medical Progress

By Virginia Postrel. Ms. Postrel is the editor-at-large of Reason magazine and author of "The Future and Its Enemies" (Free Press, 1998).

To many biologists, the recently announced creation of a cloned human embryo was no big deal. True, researchers at Advanced Cell Technology replaced the nucleus of a human egg with the genetic material of another person. And they got that cloned cell to start replicating. But their results were modest. It took 71 eggs to produce a single success, and in the best case, the embryo grew to only six cells before dying. That's not a revolution. It's an incremental step in understanding how early-stage cells develop.

And it's far from the 100 or so cells in a blastocyst, the hollow ball from which stem cells can be isolated. Scientists hope to coax embryonic stem cells into becoming specialized tissues such as nerve, muscle, or pancreatic islet cells. Therapeutic cloning, or nucleus transplantation, could make such treatments more effective.

[Go]1No, It's a Moral Monstrosity
By Eric Cohen and William Kristol

In theory, it would work like this: Suppose I need new heart tissue or some insulin-secreting islet cells to counteract diabetes. You could take the nucleus from one of my cells, stick it in an egg cell from which the nucleus had been removed, let that develop into stem cells, and then trigger the stem cells to form the specific tissue needed. The new "cloned" tissue would be genetically mine and would not face rejection problems. It would function in my body as if it had grown there naturally, so I wouldn't face a lifetime of immunosuppressant drugs.

But all of that is a long way off. ACT and others in the field are still doing very basic research, not developing clinical therapies. Indeed, because of the difficulty of obtaining eggs, therapeutic cloning may ultimately prove impractical for clinical treatments. It could be more important as a technique for understanding cell development or studying the mutations that lead to cancer. We simply don't know right now. Science is about exploring the unknown and cannot offer guarantees.

Politics, however, feeds on fear, uncertainty, and doubt, and the word "cloning" arouses those emotions. While its scientific importance remains to be seen, ACT's announcement has rekindled the campaign to criminalize nucleus transplantation and any therapies derived from that process. Under a bill passed by the House and endorsed by the president, scientists who transfers a human nucleus into an egg cell would be subject to 10-year federal prison sentences and $1 million fines. So would anyone who imports therapies developed through such research in countries where it is legal, such as Britain. The bill represents an unprecedented attempt to criminalize basic biomedical research.

The legislation's backers consider the fear of cloning their best hope for stopping medical research that might lead to gene-level therapies. Opponents make three basic arguments for banning therapeutic cloning.

The first is that a fertilized egg is a person, entitled to full human rights. Taking stem cells out of a blastocyst is, in this view, no different from cutting the heart out of a baby. Hence, we hear fears of "embryo farming" for "spare parts."

This view treats microscopic cells with no past or present consciousness, no organs or tissues, as people. A vocal minority of Americans, of course, do find compelling the argument that a fertilized egg is someone who deserves protection from harm. That view animates the anti-abortion movement and exercises considerable influence in Republican politics.

But most Americans don't believe we should sacrifice the lives and well being of actual people to save cells. Human identity must rest on something more compelling than the right string of proteins in a petri dish, detectable only with high-tech equipment. We will never get a moral consensus that a single cell, or a clump of 100 cells, is a human being. That definition defies moral sense, rational argument, and several major religious traditions.

So cloning opponents add a second argument. If we allow therapeutic cloning, they say, some unscrupulous person will pretend to be doing cellular research but instead implant a cloned embryo in a woman's womb and produce a baby. At the current stage of knowledge, using cloning to conceive a child would indeed be dangerous and unethical, with a high risk of serious birth defects. Anyone who cloned a baby today would rightly face, at the very least, the potential of an enormous malpractice judgment. There are good arguments for establishing a temporary moratorium on reproductive cloning.

But the small possibility of reproductive cloning does not justify making nucleus transfer a crime. Almost any science might conceivably be turned to evil purposes. This particular misuse is neither especially likely -- cell biology labs are not set up to deliver fertility treatments -- nor, in the long run, especially threatening.[Illustration]

Contrary to a lot of scary rhetoric, a healthy cloned infant would not be a moral nightmare, merely the not-quite-identical twin of an older person. (The fetal environment and egg cytoplasm create some genetic variations.) Certainly, some parents might have such a baby for bad reasons, to gratify their egos or to "replace" a child who died. But parents have been having children for bad reasons since time immemorial.

Just as likely, cloned babies would be the cherished children of couples who could not have biological offspring any other way. These children might bear an uncanny resemblance to their biological parents, but that, too, is not unprecedented. Like the "test tube babies" born of in vitro fertilization, cloned children need not be identifiable, much less freaks or outcasts.

Why worry so much about a few babies? Because, say opponents, even a single cloned infant puts us on the road to genetic dystopia, a combination of Brave New World and Nazi Germany. A cloned child's genetic makeup is too well known, goes the argument, and therefore transforms random reproduction into "manufacturing" that robs the child of his autonomy. This is where the attack broadens from nucleus transfer to human genetic engineering more generally. An anti-therapeutic cloning petition, circulated by the unlikely duo of conservative publisher William Kristol and arch-technophobe Jeremy Rifkin, concludes, "We are mindful of the tragic history of social eugenics movements in the first half of the 20th century, and are united in our opposition to any use of biotechnology for a commercial eugenics movement in the 21st century."

But the "eugenics" they attack has nothing to do with state-sponsored mass murder or forced sterilization. To the contrary, they are the ones who want the state to dictate the most private aspects of family life. They are the ones who want central authorities, rather than the choices of families and individuals, to determine our genetic future. They are the ones who demand that the government control the means of reproduction. They are the ones who measure the worth of human beings by the circumstances of their conception and the purity of their genetic makeup. They are the ones who say "natural" genes are the mark of true humanity.

Winners in the genetic lottery themselves, blessed with good health and unusual intelligence, they seek to deny future parents the chance to give their children an equally promising genetic start. In a despicable moral equivalency, they equate loving parents with Nazis.

Biomedicine does have the potential to alter the human experience. Indeed, it already has. Life expectancy has doubled worldwide in the past century. Childbirth is no longer a peril to mother and infant. Childhood is no longer a time for early death. The pervasive sense of mortality that down through the ages shaped art, religion, and culture has waned.

Our lives are different from our ancestors' in fundamental ways. We rarely remark on the change, however, because it occurred incrementally. That's how culture evolves and how science works. We should let the process continue.

Now remind yourself of Stalin's most famous saying: One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic.
123 posted on 12/13/2001 1:06:58 PM PST by SlickWillard
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To: windcliff
"Waiting For You" bump!
124 posted on 12/13/2001 2:15:38 PM PST by onedoug
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To: RightWhale
Alice Cooper (KISS)

I don't believe KISS would have anything to do with Alice Cooper. It was probably the walking ego trip Gene Simmons.

I agree, but I'll just bet that those two guys share makeup tips!;-)

This is a good example of how the "Bad American" article became attributed to Ted Nugent, George Carlin, and goodness knows who else. One slip of the keyboard and a minor brain fart is circling the planet at the speed of light. Then the cutting and pasting begins...

Ain't technology great?

128 posted on 12/13/2001 4:43:11 PM PST by Cloud William
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
"Libertalibans"

not only are your statements regarding Trey Parker incorrect, you ought to be ashamed of yourself, sinking to new lows with rhetoric like this.

I would have thought you above that, but I guess I was wrong...

129 posted on 12/13/2001 4:49:25 PM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: blam
You mean Gene Simmons (KISS) not Alice Cooper.
130 posted on 12/13/2001 5:03:22 PM PST by nonliberal
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To: cdwright
Keep on rockin', and believe me, I cried twice, too, just posting that response!!
132 posted on 12/14/2001 4:35:03 AM PST by Leesylvanian
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