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Americans Have a Right to Know About the Council on Foreign Relations
The New American ^ | September, 1994 | John F. McManus

Posted on 11/10/2001 12:41:58 AM PST by Verax

Americans Have a Right to Know
About the Council on Foreign Relations

by John F. McManus

There exists in our nation today a privately run organization with only 3,000 members, several hundred of whom are U.S. government officials. But even though this organization possesses enormous influence over the actions of our national government, most Americans have never heard of it.

This same organization's members dominate our nation's mass media, multinational corporations, the banking industry, colleges and universities, even the military. Yet its domination is unknown to the average citizen.

The members of this small but extremely influential group are responsible for a parade of foreign policy disasters in China, Korea, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba, and Africa. The group itself has always sought to lead the United States into a one-world socialistic system led by its members and their like-minded associates in other nations.

Shouldn't you know about this organization and what its members are planning for the 1990s?

This pamphlet will introduce you to the Council on Foreign Relations, the little-known New York City-based organization that is both the seat of the liberal Establishment and the main force pushing the United States into the new world order.

CFR Wants One-World Socialism

It was a disappointed but determined group of diplomats from the United States and England who gathered at the Majestic Hotel in Paris on June 17, 1919. Their disappointment stemmed from the U.S. Senate's rejection of America's proposed entry into world government via the League of Nations. But they remained determined to scrap the sovereignty of each of their nations, and all nations.

The leader of the U.S. contingent at this 1919 conference was President Woodrow Wilson's top advisor, Edward Mandell House. In his 1912 book, Philip Dru: Administrator, House laid out a plan for radically altering the American system via what he termed a "Conspiracy." The book supplied his ultimate goal: "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx."

The Paris gathering led to the formation of the British Royal Institute for International Affairs and the American Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). With Rockefeller and Carnegie money backing it, the CFR quickly attracted influential Americans who used their influence to labor for the one-world socialist goal. In 1939, the organization accepted a formal invitation to establish a relationship with the U.S. State Department. That relationship soon grew into CFR domination of the foreign policy of our nation. Practically every Secretary of State for the past 50 years—serving both Democratic and Republican Administrations— has held CFR membership.

Explicitly Stated Goal

As early as 1922, the CFR’s prestigious journal, Foreign Affairs, brazenly called for "world government" at the expense of our nation's independence. Repeatedly airing this subversive goal over subsequent years, Foreign Affairs published its most explicit call for the termination of U.S. sovereignty in Richard N. Gardner's 1974 article entitled "The Hard Road to World Order."

Admitting that "instant world government" was unfortunately unattainable, the Columbia University professor and former State Department official proceeded to champion "an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece." He also pointed to numerous international groups and causes, each of which he claimed "can produce some remarkable concessions of sovereignty that could not be achieved on an across-the-board basis."

At the time this article appeared, hundreds of CFR members were holding high government posts. Those who were required to swear an oath to support the Constitution of the United States should have immediately resigned from the CFR. None did. Nor were any asked to do so by superiors in government. Instead, the erosion of national independence and the undermining of the Constitution continued.

CFR members like Gardner have historically helped similarly determined world-government advocates achieve power in other nations. It didn't matter to them whether foreign leaders were professed socialists, communists, or whatever, as long as they shared Edward Mandell House's goal of "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx." Marxism was the goal, and that has always meant economic control of the people and world government.

Over the years, therefore, CFR members have carried out the Marxist goals of their organization's founder when they helped one communist thug after another take control of once-free nations. Now that communism is no longer the favored route to socialist world government, CFR members have thrown the weight of their considerable influence behind socialists and "former" communists in Europe, Africa, and elsewhere. But they deserve condemnation for the deaths of hundreds of millions killed by communist rulers, and for the horror of life under communist dictatorships still endured by more than a billion human beings.

Past Treachery

CFR members Owen Lattimore and Dean Acheson engineered the betrayal of Chiang Kai-shek's government and the domination of the Chinese people by the bloodiest murderers the world has ever known.

CFR members Dean Acheson and Dean Rusk arranged for the no-win undeclared war in Korea, the removal from command of General MacArthur who sought victory, and the establishment of Communist Red China as the primary military power in Asia.

CFR members John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, filling top posts in the Administration of CFR member Dwight Eisenhower, betrayed the Hungarian Freedom Fighters in 1956 and knowingly aided communist Fidel Castro in his successful seizure of Cuba in 1958-59.

CFR members McGeorge Bundy, Adlai Stevenson, and John J. McCloy saw to it that the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion was a miserable failure, a huge boost for Castro, and a stunning embarrassment for the United States.

CFR members Dean Rusk, Robert McNamara, and Henry Cabot Lodge pushed the United States into Vietnam and drew up the rules of engagement for our forces that made victory completely unattainable. CFR members Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger continued those policies, presided over America's total defeat in 1973, and allowed South Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia to be delivered to communist rulers.

CFR stalwarts Henry Kissinger, Ellsworth Bunker, and Sol Linowitz arranged (with Senate approval) in 1978 to give away the U.S. canal in Panama to a Marxist dictatorship and to sweeten the incredible deal with a gift of $400 million to take it.

CFR leaders Zbigniew Brzezinski, Cyrus Vance, and Warren Christopher undermined strong U.S. allies in Nicaragua and Iran during the 1970s and helped anti-American and Marxist leaders to power.

CFR members George Shultz, William J. Casey, and Malcolm Baldrige, during the 1980s, continued the policy of supplying U.S. aid which kept communists in power in Poland, Romania, China, and the Soviet Union. These same individuals did all they could to assist and dignify the Marxists in El Salvador, Nicaragua, and South Africa. Wherever communist regimes failed, they sent more U.S. aid to the socialists and one-worlders who came to power.

CFR leaders in the Administration of CFR veteran George Bush continued to undermine the government of South Africa until it fell into the hands of Marxist Nelson Mandela.

CFR veteran George Bush deliberately avoided the U.S. Congress and went to the United Nations for authorization to unleash American military forces against Iraq in 1991. He pointedly stated that his goal was a "new world order ... a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders." The UN's founders, however, included 43 current or future members of the CFR. A leader of the U.S. delegation and the secretary general of the UN's founding conference in 1945 was future CFR member and secret communist Alger Hiss.

CFR member Bill Clinton has followed the Marxist game plan called for by Edward Mandell House by crusading for socialized medicine, an end to private ownership of firearms, and economic unions preceding world government through NAFTA and GATT. President Clinton has also embarked on a deliberate program, most notably via his April 1994 Presidential Decision Directive 25, which urges turning over control of U.S. military forces to the United Nations.

Destroying Checks and Balances

Americans have always been assured that tyranny cannot be established in our nation because of our Constitution's brilliant system of checks and balances. In a round-robin way, each of the three branches of government has the power to check and limit the activities of the other two. This feature of the Constitution did not materialize by chance. In the Federalist Papers, James Madison wrote: "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive and judiciary, in the same hand, whether of one, a few, or many, or whether hereditary, self-appointed or elected, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny." But through its members, the CFR is amassing exactly the kind of tyrannical power Madison feared.

The Executive Branch is led by CFR member Bill Clinton. His top appointees include CFR members Warren Christopher, W. Anthony Lake, Bruce Babbitt, Henry Cisneros, Lloyd Bentsen, Donna Shalala, R. James Woolsey, Madeleine Albright, Alice Rivlin, Strobe Talbott, and a host of others.

The Legislative Branch's Senate has been led by CFR members George Mitchell (the Majority Leader until he retired), Patrick Moynihan, John D. Rockefeller IV, John Chafee, Hards Wofford, Christopher Dodd, Larry Pressler, Bob Graham, William Cohen, Claiborne Pell, and others. The three most important officers of the House of Representatives are CFR members: Speaker Thomas Foley, Majority Leader Richard Gephardt, and Minority leader Newt Gingrich. In addition, there are more than a dozen other members of the CFR serving in the House.

The Judicial Branch consists of the Supreme Court and all federal district and appeals courts. Of the nine justices of the nation's highest court, three are CFR members: Sandra Day O'Connor, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Stephen G. Breyer.

Checks and balances? The CFR doesn't worry about them at all. But every American should carefully consider James Madison's warning.

Grip on the Mass Media

Why are Americans unaware of the enormous clout possessed by the CFR? How can it be that an organization formed to undo the American dream and lead this nation into a one-world Marxist nightmare can achieve such a controlling influence without the people knowing about it? Why hasn't the supposedly tough and courageous mass media informed the people about this subversive takeover?

The answer, very simply, is that the CFR dominates the mass media, which only rarely reports anything about the organization. The names of hundreds of media executives and journalists can be found on the CFR membership roster. On October 30, 1993, Washington Post columnist Richard Harwood detailed the CFR's domination of his own profession in his column entitled "Ruling Class Journalists." While never condemning what he was reporting and likely steering ambitious individuals toward the Council, Harwood characterized CFR members as "the nearest thing we have to a ruling establishment in the United States." He wrote:

In the past 15 years, council directors have included Hedley Donovan of Time Inc., Elizabeth Drew of the New Yorker, Philip Geyelin of The Washington Post, Karen Elliott House of the Wall Street Journal, and Strobe Talbott of Time magazine, who is now President Clinton's [Deputy Secretary of State]. The editorial page editor, deputy editorial page editor, executive editor, managing editor, foreign editor, national affairs editor, business and financial editor and various writers as well as Katharine Graham, the paper's principal owner, represent The Washington Post in the council's membership. The executive editor, managing editor and foreign editor of the New York Times are members, along with the executives of such other large newspapers as the Wall Street Journal and Los Angeles Times, the weekly news magazines, network television executives and celebrities— Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw and Jim Lehrer, for example—and various columnists, among them Charles Krauthammer, William Buckley, George Will and Jim Hoagland.

Americans who wish to be well-informed must seek better sources and sounder perspective such as can be found In The New American magazine. Relying on popular newspapers, magazines, and radio/television networks is asking to be programmed by the Establishment.

Secret Modus Operandi

The Council repeatedly denies that it sets policy for our nation. Yet, while discussing our nation's changing foreign policy, CFR Chairman Peter G. Peterson stated in the organization's 1989 Annual Report that "the Board of Directors and the staff of the Council have decided that this institution should play a leadership role in defining these new foreign policy agenda."

Our question is simply: How can an organization define an agenda for the nation without taking a stand or advocating a policy? The answer is that it can't. Any claim from the CFR that it is merely a debating forum open to all ideas is absurd. Even Richard Harwood knows this. In his Washington Post article mentioned previously, he wrote that the CFR journalists he listed "do not merely analyze and interpret foreign policy; they help make it."

The actual content of meetings held at the group's headquarters and elsewhere remains a closely guarded secret. According to CFR bylaws, it is an "express condition of membership" that members refrain from disclosing in any way what goes on at Council meetings. Any action contravening this rule "may be regarded by the Board of Directors in Its sole discretion as ground for termination or suspension of membership."

Yet, cabinet officials, members of Congress, high-ranking military officers, and other government officials repeatedly participate at CFR functions. Such "confidential" gatherings under the aegis of a private organization (especially one founded by an individual whose goal was "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx") are totally inconsistent with proper conduct in a free country.

No CFR member is ever directly instructed to hold any particular view. Instead, government officials and media personalities supply important respectability for favored positions, and render varying degrees of disdain or contempt for the opposite view. Ambitious politicians, journalists, corporate executives, professors, and others dutifully follow the lead set for them—frequently without ever knowing whose attitude they are parroting. In this way, an agenda is indeed set and policies are established.

As a rule, slight variations on most topics are tolerated, even welcomed. But advocacy of any position outside carefully drawn limits earns scorn and ridicule. For example, discussion about increasing or decreasing U.S. funding for either the United Nations or a variety of foreign aid projects is tolerated, even welcomed. But anyone who calls for U.S. withdrawal from the world body, or who recommends that all foreign aid be terminated, jeopardizes his or her reputation with the nation's most prestigious power brokers.

Those who read CFR publications and study the editorial stance of CFR-controlled media organs know exactly which are the favored attitudes. The CFR and several like-minded groups can be expected to support the following: more pacts, treaties, and agreements that compromise U.S. sovereignty; continued praise for and reliance on the United Nations; piecemeal transfer of U.S. military forces to UN supervision and command; more and newer forms of foreign aid; undermining and isolation of any national leader who does not favor socialism and world government under a "new world order"; and submission to the radical demands of environmental extremists, population planners, and human rights crusaders who will never be satisfied until the United States no longer exists as a free and independent nation.

Some who follow the lead of the Establishment are undoubtedly committed to the world government and socialism advocated by Marx and the CFR's founders. But most who toe this line are self-promoters who are interested only in re-election, advancement, and recognition. They care little or nothing about the Constitution, their fellow citizens, and freedom in general.

The Shadows of Power

A thoroughly revealing history of the Council on Foreign Relations and its responsibility for America's decline is available in researcher James Perloff's superb book, The Shadows of Power. Unlike others who have sought to warn the American people about the pervasive power of the CFR, Mr. Perloff studied the organization’s publications from its inception in 1921. The evidence he supplies to support his condemnation is taken from the CFR itself. His important book concludes that the CFR is a major participant in an ongoing conspiratorial drive to use the U.S. government and the wealth of the American people to create power over mankind for a few diabolically driven individuals.

Mr. Perloff is careful to point out that only some of the CFR's members are completely committed to the sinister goals he exposes. He believes, as does the John Birch Society, that many CFR members, and many others who follow the group's lead, would readily switch their allegiance should widespread awareness be created about this powerful organization’s history and designs.

You can help to terminate CFR domination of our nation's affairs by reading and distributing The Shadows of Power. You can also participate in a nationwide effort to preserve freedom for the American people and independence for our nation by participating in the programs of the John Birch Society. Unless many more Americans become better informed and begin to take an active role in shaping our nation's affairs, the freedoms we have all taken for granted will disappear and the darkness of brutal totalitarianism will descend upon us. None of us wants an all-powerful tyrannical government dictating to each of us how we may live, what we may say, and whom we must serve. But all of that is surely on the horizon unless proper action is taken soon.

The John Birch Society

Founded in December 1958 by a group led by Robert Welch, the John Birch Society is named for Captain John Birch, the remarkable missionary-turned-soldier who served with exemplary valor during World War II and was brutally murdered by Chinese communists in 1945.

The Society has always sought to create awareness about the marvelous system of government given us by America’s founders and about the forces seeking to destroy it. Never a "political" organization backing candidates, the organization believes that an educated electorate is the key to victory. Its overall goals appear in the motto, "Less government, more responsibility, and—with God's help—a better world." Membership is open to men and women of good character and noble ideals from all races, ethnic backgrounds, and religions. You are cordially invited to investigate our work.

TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Editorial
KEYWORDS: cfr; jamesperloff; johnfmcmanus; johnmcmanus; thenewamerican; tna
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1 posted on 11/10/2001 12:41:58 AM PST by Verax
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"But even though this organization possesses enormous influence over the actions of our national government, most Americans have never heard of it."

That's funny. I watch the meetings on C-Span all the time.

2 posted on 11/10/2001 12:45:52 AM PST by Theresa
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We've all heard of it, over and overe and over and OVER again ! FYI ... long, long, long, long, LONG before YOU ever becams a member of this site, 100's of threads have been posted, debated, and redebated about the CFR.

I keep telling you : GO READ THE ARCHIVES ! You haven't discovered anything new.

3 posted on 11/10/2001 12:46:40 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Verax

"Honey, get the kids!"

4 posted on 11/10/2001 12:49:37 AM PST by Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
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To: Theresa
Well, it's true. Most Americans don't watch C-SPAN
5 posted on 11/10/2001 12:49:54 AM PST by Verax
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To: Theresa
That's funny. I watch the meetings on C-Span all the time.

Now there ya go bursting the JBS conspiracy bubble. Shame on you. The next thing you know you will be saying that fluoridation of the water is NOT a globalist threat to drain us of our vital natural fluids.

6 posted on 11/10/2001 12:50:16 AM PST by Texasforever
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You guys can joke all you want...but some folks will read the FACTS IN IT...and be troubled by our leaders collaboration with it.

Patriots that is. People who actually care about something more than animated Hillary characatures.

7 posted on 11/10/2001 12:53:28 AM PST by Verax
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To: Verax
Mmmh, that may well be true. Patriots with a firmer grip on reality on the other hand might notice that the Council of Foreign Relations is a talking club and think-tank which invites all kinds of influential and famous people to join. Note the sequence of events - they are already in a position of importance when they are invited to join. For many politicians it's definitely something of a stamp of approval for their significance, but that's pretty much all that's to it. Heck, if there were actually a nasty world conspiracy, do you think they would have a webpage?
8 posted on 11/10/2001 1:03:59 AM PST by Economist_MA
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"Well, it's true. Most Americans don't watch C-SPAN"

But they can watch C-Span. It's there for them to watch. The last one I saw was GREAT! Newt, Jean Kirkpatrick, Warren Rudman and Benjamin Netanyahu spoke about the terrorist threat. It very interesting and informative.

Years ago my parents were Birchers. They quit after about a year. It's just too extreme. Take my advice, don't marginalize yourself. It's a waste of your time. Stick with mainstream conservatism they can at least get things accomplished.

9 posted on 11/10/2001 1:04:37 AM PST by Theresa
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To: Theresa
Years ago my parents were Birchers. They quit after about a year. It's just too extreme. Take my advice, don't marginalize yourself. It's a waste of your time. Stick with mainstream conservatism they can at least get things accomplished.

I want my Bilderberger with cheese and relish.

10 posted on 11/10/2001 1:08:32 AM PST by UbIwerks
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What is the Council on Foreign Relations? When and why was it formed?
The Council is a nonpartisan national membership organization, think tank and publisher, with headquarters in New York, offices in Washington, D.C., and programs nationwide.

The Council on Foreign Relations was founded in 1921 by businessmen, bankers, and lawyers determined to keep the United States engaged in the world. Today, the Council is composed of men and women from all walks of international life and from all parts of America dedicated to the belief that the nation’s peace and prosperity are firmly linked to that of the rest of the world. From this flows the Council’s mission: to foster America’s understanding of other nations—their peoples, cultures, histories, hopes, quarrels, and ambitions—and thus to serve our nation through study and debate, private and public.

What are the goals of the Council? How are they achieved?
The Council now pursues three goals:

1) Add value by improving understanding of world affairs and by providing new ideas for U.S. foreign policy.

The Council does this in many ways. The Council sponsors independent task forces when an issue arises of current and critical importance to U.S. foreign policy, and it seems that a group diverse in backgrounds and perspectives may nonetheless be able to reach a meaningful policy consensus through private and nonpartisan deliberations. Council Policy Initiatives (CPIs) focus on current foreign policy issues of great importance where consensus seems unlikely.

2) Transform the Council into a truly national organization to benefit from the expertise and experience of leaders nationwide.

The Council aims to energize foreign policy discussions across the country. As Council membership outside New York and Washington, D.C. continues to grow and diversify, the Council will create new ways to involve these members in intellectual dialogue.

3) Find and nurture the next generation of foreign policy leaders and thinkers.

The Council does this primarily through a special term membership program for younger Americans and a "Next Generation Fellows" program that brings outstanding younger scholars onto the Council staff, as well as the International Affairs Fellowships and several other fellowship programs. These programs aim to spark interest and participation in world affairs and U.S. foreign policy.

How is the Council managed? Who is in charge?
The Council is governed by a standard corporate structure: the Chairman of the 31-member board provides overall direction, the President leads the daily operations.

Peter G. Peterson, Chairman of the Blackstone Group, a private investment bank, is Chairman of the Council. Maurice R. Greenberg, Chairman and CEO of American International Group, is Vice Chairman. Leslie H. Gelb, a former senior government official and New York Times editor and columnist, is President.

Who are the members of the Council? How and why are they selected?
The Council's 3,600 members are divided almost equally among New York, Washington D. C. and the rest of the nation. They are leaders in government, business, finance, media, academia and a wide range of nonprofit organizations.

Every candidate for membership must be formally proposed in writing by one member and seconded by a minimum of two other individuals, at least one of whom is a Council member. Quality, diversity and balance are the key objectives sought by the Council in the composition of its membership.

The roster of members is listed in the annual report.

Who finances the Council?
The Council is supported by a wide range of individuals and institutional donors. Specifically, the Council's largest donations come from corporate, foundational and individual endowment gifts and grants. Member donations constitute "The Annual Fund," which is in addition to annual dues.

A list of donors appears in the annual report.

Is the Council on Foreign Relations part of the U.S. government, the United Nations or organizations such as the Royal Institute for International Affairs and Trilateral Commission?
No, the Council is a nongovernmental, nonprofit and nonpartisan organization.

Why are senior government officials, Congress members, journalists, and corporate executives members of the Council?
Membership in the Council can represent both the recognition of exceptional achievement in a career involving international affairs, as well as the promise of one. The former are usually elected to full membership, the latter are usually elected to five-year term memberships, which can lead to full memberships at their conclusion.

It is important to avoid reversing the causal order in this question. The Council does not "anoint" government officials, nor advance the careers of those in other fields; it does exert great effort in attracting individuals who have displayed significant dedication, expertise and success in professions concerning American foreign policy and world affairs, and also in encouraging them to help in our mission by participating in our meetings and other activities.

Is the Council on Foreign Relations secret?
Absolutely not. From the start, the Council has published the results of their study groups and task forces, as well as an annual report. In addition, Council Fellows and members often write books, magazine and journal articles and opinion pieces that appear in newspapers like the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and Los Angeles Times.

Many meetings are held off-the-record to encourage frankness among participants—the members would be hesitant to express new or developing ideas if they feared that they would be published the following day. However, an increasing number of meetings are held on-the-record, with journalists reporting on the events in papers across the country.

For several years, the Council has sustained a vibrant Communications Department, which acts as the liaison between the public and the organization. It also maintains a critically-acclaimed web site, http:\\ Now, anyone with access to the Internet can now enjoy a wide range of frequently-updated information: articles by Fellows; papers and books published by the Council on Foreign Relations Press; video and audio feeds from Council meetings; biographies of Fellows; news on Council events; and more.

Does the Council on Foreign Relations create "outside threats" in order to encourage Congress to appropriate unnecessary funds to the defense industry?
No. In fact, one of the country's leading proponents of significantly cutting the defense budget is the Council's highest-ranking scholar, Vice-President and Director of Studies Lawrence J. Korb.

For more information:
The following academic studies thoroughly examine the Council's history:

Robert D. Schulzinger, The Wise Men of Foreign Affairs (New York: Columbia University Press, 1984).

Michael Wala, The Council on Foreign Relations and American Foreign Policy in the Early Cold War (Providence, R.I.: Berghann Books: 1994).

11 posted on 11/10/2001 1:09:56 AM PST by Economist_MA
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To: Economist_MA can't be for real?
12 posted on 11/10/2001 1:13:13 AM PST by Verax
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To: Verax
The invisible government at work! Is the CFR an avatar, so to speak, of the Fabian Society?
13 posted on 11/10/2001 1:17:22 AM PST by Dixielander
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People...listen...I'm not saying anything about a conspiracy...YOU ARE!!

I'm asking people to examine the FACTS of this organizations current and past role in moving our nation toward the published goals of their founders!

Mainstream conservatism...puleeeease.

I left the Repbulicrat party and will always be ashamed that I ever joined.

You just stay where your comfy though...right there in the middle of the road.

14 posted on 11/10/2001 1:18:21 AM PST by Verax
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I wonder if the executive editors of The New American allow anyone to come in off the street and attend their daily editorial meetings. After all, Americans have a right to know.
15 posted on 11/10/2001 1:21:14 AM PST by Timesink
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You, newbie, are NO patriot. All you are is an hysteric, tinfoil bodysuited conspsiracy naif, who is just now discovering age old garbage , and trying to whip up something that isn't there. Go back to bed, pull the covers over your head, and just keep telling yorself, that " THEY " are out to get you.

Just keep posting away, and all you are going to do, is get flamaed unmercifully. Do you, for even an intant, really believe that you know sosmething that NO ONE here hasn't ever seen before ? Posting an article from 1994, that is a hackneied piece of propaganda, is no Paul Revere call to arms. It's a pathetic cry from someone who has far too much time to waste.

16 posted on 11/10/2001 1:22:15 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Verax
You, newbie, are NO patriot. All you are is an hysteric, tinfoil bodysuited conspsiracy naif, who is just now discovering age old garbage , and trying to whip up something that isn't there. Go back to bed, pull the covers over your head, and just keep telling yorself, that " THEY " are out to get you.

Just keep posting away, and all you are going to do, is get flamaed unmercifully. Do you, for even an instant, really believe that you know sosmething that NO ONE here hasn't ever seen before ? Posting an article from 1994, that is a hackneied piece of propaganda, is no Paul Revere call to arms. It's a pathetic cry from someone who has far too much time to waste.

17 posted on 11/10/2001 1:22:34 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Dixielander
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1778-1860)
18 posted on 11/10/2001 1:23:21 AM PST by Verax
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To: UbIwerks
I'll take my Buildyourownburger with ketchup, onions, and pickles, please. : - )
19 posted on 11/10/2001 1:24:50 AM PST by nopardons
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