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TWA, Egypt Air and The September 11 Attacks - A Common Denominator?
Curiosity | 10/31/2001 | Curiosity

Posted on 10/31/2001 5:55:22 PM PST by ChinaThreat

After the events of 9/11, I have rehashed my thinking on these two airliner incidents. I never bought the governments explanation on TWA 800 but Ive never been a tinfoil hat kind of guy either. But the method the terrorists used in the attack of 9/11 open several lines of thought.

Is it possible that Bin Laden's groups were behind these two events. It is a known fact that several hundred Stinger(hand-held, surface to air missles) were left unaccounted for in Afghanastan. We also know that Bin Laden has made a home and friends with these former mujahadeen warriors who had access to these weapons. Eyewitness accounts and many millitary opinions in the newsmedia and other sources, as well as a good friend with many years of naval experience, swear that the 747 was brought down by a missle.

The Egypt Air flight that was brought down intentionally by the pilot could be related due to the fact that the pilot was from Egypt, a hot bed of fundamentalist Islam and well within the reaches of the Wahabi movement of Islam (which happens to be the root of this new spate of ruthless terrorism).

Is it possible, that these two incidents were covered up by the concerned governments investigating the incidents to avoid the financial disaster that is being felt right now in the travel and commercial industries?

I have an opinion that this might be why Laden picked a target and a method on 9-11 that could not possibly be covered up, at least as easily as the TWA and Egypt Air flights. It was early morning on a weekday in one of the world's most populated cities, and there was no doubt that the event would be captured on film. There is nothing a terrorists hates worse than not getting the attention from a well thought out attack. I don't think these radicals are all that bright and I don't think they even actually intended on bringing the towers down. Actually, I think they didn't expect this to happen and got more than they bargained for. They weren't so much interested in the death toll as they were the credit and exposure.


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I know this will be flamed for the vanity, as well as the tin foil nature of the post, but this is a forum for open minded exchanges of information and theory. Please respond with your opinions.
1 posted on 10/31/2001 5:55:22 PM PST by ChinaThreat
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To: ChinaThreat
No flame; you're just dreaming, that's all. You should have labeled this a "vanity".
2 posted on 10/31/2001 6:07:00 PM PST by katze
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To: ChinaThreat
Possible. If this is the case, I wonder why no one has taken credit for TWA or Egypt Air?
3 posted on 10/31/2001 6:08:06 PM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck
Thats a good question, but it appears that Laden, dosen't usually take credit for his actions, which differentiates him from most other terrorists, espicially non-Wahabi and Shia terrorists. I think this is due to his messainic aspirations. I think his approach is, "I will do God's work, and let it be what it will be, because if Allah wants the world to see, the world will see." I don't know, just a theory.
4 posted on 10/31/2001 6:11:44 PM PST by ChinaThreat
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To: ChinaThreat
I'm not a tinfoiler either. I'd forgotten about the TWA flight, & at the time I believed what the FAA said about it. However, after 9-11, 3 high officials appeared to let it slip that TWA's downfall was caused by terrorists. One was Jim Kahlstrom, and I think Cheney was another. I've forgotten the third person (I made a post about it approximately 390 posts ago, but I have a swiss-cheese memory).
5 posted on 10/31/2001 6:13:42 PM PST by Amore
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To: ChinaThreat
Since we are not flaming each other. I and a few other folks in a major engineering society meeting had dinner with a person who was a hired consultant on the TWA Flight 800 investigation. This person was an explosives expert and he got to crawl all over the parts. Based on talking to him, eye to eye, he told me about his various theories on the explosion, how and why he concluded that it was a spark from the fuel pump.

I see this person a couple times a year at engineering society conferences. I and others at the table asked lots of questions. The meeting was in Seattle and some of the other engineers at the table had worked for Boeing and really asked tough questions. They did not want to or easily except his design flaw ideas. He explained all the tough questions.

Based on this, I feel (I know lots of others out there have other explainations, and that was the way I originally leaned based on the eyewitness reports, I had read) it was an accidental explosion caused by a spark associated with the fuel pump.

6 posted on 10/31/2001 6:14:21 PM PST by Robert357
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To: Amore
If you can locate the thread, I would be interested in reading it. Post a link if you can find it. Thanks!
7 posted on 10/31/2001 6:16:06 PM PST by ChinaThreat
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To: ChinaThreat
EgyptAir and TWA 800 were very different situations from each other. I do believe that TWA 800 was shot down by a missile, but that EgyptAir was a lone suicidal pilot situation.

You cover up theory is intriguing. Unfortunately our investigative branch (Justice, FBI) was probably in on the coverup of TWA 800, so I doubt any revelations will be forthcoming.

On a similar vein, here is the October 27, 2001 letter I just received from James D. Sanders, author of the video Silenced and book Altered Evidence:

James D. Sanders
4-Justice
1861 N. Federal Hwy, PMB 145
Hollywood, FL 33020-2827
October 27, 2001

Dear :

I am writing to those who recently purchased our video documentary Silenced and book Altered Evidence, to update you on what has happened over the summer. Since Silenced began to be distributed in June of this year we have been contacted by several significant sources— investigators who personally watched the Flight 800 cover-up unfold, military and civilian witnesses who have provided enough information to make it possible to give a logical explanation for what happened the evening of July 17, 1996, and why the American people were not told the truth. In a book and video to be released next year we expect to connect events from July 17, 1996, with the September 11, 2001 attack on America.

I also obtained FBI documents revealing that the reddish-orange residue I obtained from a source inside the Flight 800 investigation was also tested by the FBI lab. When the government learned the results of that test, the test was classified under national security. Even the name of the test is classified, not just the test results. Unfortunately for the government, I was able to obtain a non-redacted copy of the FBI document naming the classified test. With this information in-hand I was able to craft a very specific Freedom of InformationActrequest fixaIl documents related to that precise test.

One of three things will happen: (1) The test files will be released; (2) The test files will be protected by national security; (3) The FBI will “lose’ the files and swear to-ajudgeihatthey have made a diligent effort to find the files, without success. Number three is their current favorite means of not turning over Flight 800 documents they cannot legally withhold.

Ray Lahr, a retired United Airlines pilot and former ALPA investigator, has used the Freedom of Information Act to establish that the FBI, CIA and NTSB do not possess any documentation to scientifically legitimize the CIA animation showing Flight 800 climbing 3,000 feet after the front of the plane fell away. We filed a Freedom of Information Act request for all documents the CIA does possess, related to their alleged Flight 800 analysis.

The FBI alleges to have lost or misplaced the thousands of pages of documents related to the “foreign objects” removed from 89 of the victims of the downing of TWA Flight 800. I obtained documents tracking some of the foreign objects to very precise locations within the United States government for testing to determine whether the metal caine- from a missile. A Freedom of Information Act request has been filed to obtain these documents and many other documents telling a story of federal corruption and abuse of power.

In April 2000, we filed a lawsuit naming the United States government and several of its agents. They seized my computer without a warrant. That is illegal, even for the FBI and Justice Department. But they did not stop there. By law, they must not look at the contents on a journalist’s computer hard drive without first getting a warrant. But senior agents of the Justice Department and FBI were involved in a criminal conspiracy I had unraveled using my law enforcement training. They needed to know everything I knew— or they would end up in Leavenworth for the remainder of their lives, So they took the information off my hard drive without first getting a warrant, thereby giving me the right to sue the federal government without first obtaining its permission.

If the civil case remains alive in federal court—it has survived unscathed for the last 18 months—we will have the power of the federal civil process to pursue documents we already know exist. Federal agents, particularly Justice Department, FBI and CIA, will be deposed if the civil case remains alive in any meaningful form.

“National security” has already reared its head in the Flight 800 investigation as federal officials attempt to perpetuate a factually false history of Flight 800. Federal actions in 1996 now come back to haunt them.

As a retired police officer, I was sickened by the federal abuse of power in the 1990s. Now is a time of national crisis, so we will use the coming months to quietly continue the investigation to expose extreme past corruption within agencies we now must trust in the current crisis.

When the crisis passes, we expect to be prepared to finish the fight started by the federal bureaucracy in July 1996. Liz and I hope we can count on your support in this battle. We established a small non-profit organization (4-Justice) to continue the struggle, but we do not have the means to independently fund it. We have a mailing list of contributors who receive updates from us every few months. You’ve seen the video and/or read the book. Some of you know us personally. If you believe ours is a cause worth seeing through to the end, we hope you will assist financially and send a tax-deductible contribution to “4-Justice” in the enclosed envelope.

With our sincere thanks,

James D. Sanders


8 posted on 10/31/2001 6:16:09 PM PST by PackerBoy
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To: ChinaThreat
Yes, it's certainly possible. There's a LOT of evidence that TWA 800 was brought down by a missile. If so, there seem to be two choices: a US navy fleet exercise that was taking place nearby; an Arab terrorist with a Stinger (possibly an extended-range Chinese Stinger) firing from a small craft nearby. I've never seen any convincing evidence to eliminate either of these two possibilities. But I'm virtually certain it was a missile that did the damage. And I find it hard to believe that if it was a navy missile gone astray, someone wouldn't have talked by now.
9 posted on 10/31/2001 6:17:06 PM PST by Cicero
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To: ChinaThreat
Oh, I think I remember the 3rd person. I believe it was that Freepers' favorite -- John McCain.
10 posted on 10/31/2001 6:17:54 PM PST by Amore
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To: ChinaThreat
I've read a detailed account of TWA 800 in an engineering journal that supported the fuel tank explosion hypothesis with rather strong physical evidence and computer models. (Sorry, I can't remember the exact reference.) It would be difficult to explain the damage patterns and location under the assumption of a Stinger missile strike.

I admit that the reports of several observers of a missile streak are disturbing. Are there credible witnesses who are CERTAIN they saw something go UP as opposed to just a glowing streak in the sky? In other words, did several credible observers first see the missile launch, follow it up, and then see the plane explode; or did they first turn to look when the plane exploded and saw a glowing streak already there?

If one assumes that all the physical evidence was fabricated, it would require a fairly large conspiracy and lots of people to keep their mouths shut -- not as bad as the theory that we didn't really land on the moon, but the same kind of conspiracy.

For now, I'm still going with the simpler explanation of a fuel tank explosion due to frayed electrical wires -- a known maintenance problem.

11 posted on 10/31/2001 6:19:08 PM PST by Gordian Blade
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To: Robert357
You know, Ive thought about the reputable personalities like your colleague, and I don't think these folks would lie and risk their reputations. Which brings me to another question which would be great if you could ask your colleague, would it be possible for a trained maintenance tech to "create" that spark? I think some of the 9/11 operations were pulled off with help from the inside. Just curious.
12 posted on 10/31/2001 6:19:55 PM PST by ChinaThreat
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To: Cicero
A third possibility, EMIs; Dr Elaine Scarry's theory makes far more sense than an accidental firing of Navy missile, and a coverup by hundreds of Navy personnel; and she believes it could have happened to the Egypt and Swiss Air planes as well. Saw a docu on TLC recently, and it gives me more pause for thought than any conspiracy.
13 posted on 10/31/2001 6:21:29 PM PST by katze
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To: Amore
It was George Snuffelupagus.
14 posted on 10/31/2001 6:21:40 PM PST by linemann
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To: Cicero
Thats interesting you mention the Naval exercise, my friend with the Naval experience swears up and down that this was the case. He is a very rational man and appears to have no doubts about it.
15 posted on 10/31/2001 6:24:30 PM PST by ChinaThreat
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To: ChinaThreat
I have never believed the government's explanation for the downing of TWA 800. It reminded me too much of the Vince Foster verdict.
16 posted on 10/31/2001 6:25:00 PM PST by MistrX
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To: Robert357
Then why hasn't the FAA ordered a fix of all the 747's?
17 posted on 10/31/2001 6:26:11 PM PST by MistrX
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To: Gordian Blade
See post 12.
18 posted on 10/31/2001 6:27:03 PM PST by ChinaThreat
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To: a6intruder
Care to join this discussion? We could use Naval experience here.
19 posted on 10/31/2001 6:27:32 PM PST by katze
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To: Amore
"One was Jim Kahlstrom, and I think Cheney was another. I've forgotten the third person"

It was James Kallstrom (then FBI), Senator John Kerry (then and still D-MA) and George Stephanapoulos (now ABC, but then Clinton's press secretary).

Curious, isn't it?

20 posted on 10/31/2001 6:27:49 PM PST by okie01
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