It's All Morally Relative - End Support for Israel

9/29/01 | R. Alexander

[Registered]

Okay, I've got the right tools for the job now..my pan. And I'm still searching that "river of thought" for some nugget of reason. It just ain't there. How much longer are you going to make me work here?

[TheDon]

Suggesting that there are reasons why people around the world hate the US is not the same as blaming the victim, nor is it the same as suggesting that we should not take action against the perpetrators.

In the current context, it is. Think of it this way, we've just be raped. Now some would start questioning the nature of the victim, was she loose? Did she bring it on herself?

Aren't you curious _why_ so many people want to kill us?

The so "many" you refer to is a group of terrorists. I personally don't care what terrorists reasons are, they must simply be exterminated for the criminals they are.

[boltfromblue]

My! My! The world treating the German state unfairly after WWI led to their aggression in WWII, also placing blame for their economic situation on their Jewish citizens. The world, in protecting their oil interests, through British Petroleum and Britain, plunked down this new state of Israel, with the world's assent, but not the assent of the people who lived there since their origins, as Canaanites, etc. OBVIOUSLY, the Palestinians should not aquiesce, no matter the size of the muslim world. Or should the rest of the world deign to carve out a nation in the midst of our country for African descendants, the Japanese who were the ancestors of three of our American tribes, plus of course a country for all our Indian tribes? The Jewish people invaded the Arab world from Africa, why not have seen if their homeland would accept them? Because it did not have oil or a strategic position on the Gulf. So what if they formed a democracy It is not a true democracy, with equal rights for all its people. And why not let all countries determine their own destiny unless there are SERIOUS human rights violations. Respect others' differences. They often are based on wisdom we haven't a grasp of. Hypocritically, we condemn them, while a flurry of PC people bask in their feigned right positions, which disrespect us all. The boundaries of nations and empires have changed because the people themselves have fought for their lands, but when uninvolved nations determine others boundaries with their own selfish interests in mind, why should we want or expect them to stand? Lokk at MacArthur's treatment of Japan as the better model.

Our nation has almost unlimited oil reserves if we get on line a new method of cold-process extraction, in the meantime using our other known reserves. Let's undo our harm based on our own interests, not the Arab world's; and fight Israel, if they do not allow an East Jerusalem Palestine or an international Jerusalem as a home for all faiths, and a Palestine state in the Gaza, etc, at the least. I will critique the very fallible article later.

[sinkspur]

Aren't you curious _why_ so many people want to kill us

You are under the mistaken impression that if WE changed, the Arabs would love us.

I think that's naive. Islam (even moderate Islam) has been warring with the West for centuries, in one way or another. They resent the progress made by the West; ALL major advances that benefit mankind have come from the West.

Take the oil out of the Gulf States, and the Arab world would look like sub-Saharan Africa.

[littlehammer]

Once again the wisdom of George Washington rears its ugly head. A too passionate attachment to one country to the detriment of one's own country. These people care more for Israel then they do for America. It is a shame and they call others anti-American.

Yes, the Jewish people occupied Palestine 2000 years ago and they were deported due to their revolutionary activities and, more importantly, their disobedience to God. I guess it was acts of godliness when the Israelis of the Irgun and Stern gangs bombed and murdered innocent people. I guess it was for America's own good that Israel bombed and strafed and killed 34 American sailors on the USS Liberty. A plainly marked and identified US Naval vessel.

Yes, the Palestinian terrorists have committed atrocious acts but it was not done in a vacuum. They didn't wake up one morning and say 'I hate Israel' or 'I hate America'. There are reasons for these things and we have to look at those reasons in order to know how to deal with the problems. Or maybe it is simpler to send a poor Jarhead running down the road to attack a target and get killed while you all stay in your nice homes and see how your stocks are doing.

[The Green Goblin]

we must accept that there are, sadly, always going to be "progressive" thinkers (self-appointed and long winded), who ALWAYS look for the EASY way out

Sorry, but you're the liberal in this case, bub. George Washington reminded us to "avoid foreign entanglements", and you'd do well to heed his word, instead of advocating to unconstitutionally spend American tax dollars to support a socialist state like Israel.

[hocndoc]

Trying to prevent a repeat of the Holocaust? Guilt about the Holocaust?

Regardless, the US did not unilaterally set up Israel. The British had political control of the region at the time.

[hocndoc]

I haven't noticed any rights being given up in the last week. There are older infringements on rights, but no new ones. Why the doomsaying?

[vmatt]

"Trying to prevent a repeat of the Holocaust? Guilt about the Holocaust?"

Simply trying to learn, my friend.

[hocndoc]

Good points.

I hope everyone actually reads the article, rather than commenting on the title, which leads one to think your point is against continuing aid to Israel.

[Moby Grape]

The world is NOT flat...plug into reality, rather than believing silly sounds-good-to-me-head-in-the-sand-pretent-it-won't-end-up-coming-back-to-haunt-us thinking.....Killing terrorist before you allow them to get stronger and kill more of us is NOT what G.W. was talking about....please put words and intent in their TRUE frame of reference, not your frame of reference.

[marxwas a loser]

SUPPORT THE U.S.A.!

SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH!

SUPPORT ISRAEL!

YOU ARE EITHER FOR US OR AGAINST US!

THEIR IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!