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Life With the Weathermen: No Regrets for a Love of Explosives
New York Times ^ | September 11, 2001 | Dinitia Smith

Posted on 09/17/2001 6:18:20 AM PDT by gumbo

September 11, 2001

Life With the Weathermen: No Regrets for a Love of Explosives

By DINITIA SMITH

Todd Buchanan for The New York TimesBill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, former members of the Weather Underground, a radical Vietnam-era group.

don't regret setting bombs," Bill Ayers said. "I feel we didn't do enough." Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

Now he has written a book, "Fugitive Days" (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction. He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

"Is this, then, the truth?," he writes. "Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me."

But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.

"Obviously, the point is it's a reflection on memory," he answered. "It's true as I remember it."

Mr. Ayers is probably safe from prosecution anyway. A spokeswoman for the Justice Department said there was a five-year statute of limitations on Federal crimes except in cases of murder or when a person has been indicted.

Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at," is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but "it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did," he said. "It was a joke about the distribution of wealth."

He went underground in 1970, after his girlfriend, Diana Oughton, and two other people were killed when bombs they were making exploded in a Greenwich Village town house. With him in the Weather Underground was Bernardine Dohrn, who was put on the F.B.I.'s 10 Most Wanted List. J. Edgar Hoover called her "the most dangerous woman in America" and "la Pasionara of the Lunatic Left." Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn later married.

In his book Mr. Ayers describes the Weathermen descending into a "whirlpool of violence."

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon," he writes. But then comes a disclaimer: "Even though I didn't actually bomb the Pentagon — we bombed it, in the sense that Weathermen organized it and claimed it." He goes on to provide details about the manufacture of the bomb and how a woman he calls Anna placed the bomb in a restroom. No one was killed or injured, though damage was extensive.

Between 1970 and 1974 the Weathermen took responsibility for 12 bombings, Mr. Ayers writes, and also helped spring Timothy Leary (sentenced on marijuana charges) from jail.

Today, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn, 59, who is director of the Legal Clinic's Children and Family Justice Center of Northwestern University, seem like typical baby boomers, caring for aging parents, suffering the empty-nest syndrome. Their son, Malik, 21, is at the University of California, San Diego; Zayd, 24, teaches at Boston University. They have also brought up Chesa Boudin, 21, the son of David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, who are serving prison terms for a 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck in Rockland County, N.Y., that left four people dead. Last month, Ms. Boudin's application for parole was rejected.

So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? "I don't want to discount the possibility," he said.

"I don't think you can understand a single thing we did without understanding the violence of the Vietnam War," he said, and the fact that "the enduring scar of racism was fully in flower." Mr. Ayers pointed to Bob Kerrey, former Democratic Senator from Nebraska, who has admitted leading a raid in 1969 in which Vietnamese women and children were killed. "He committed an act of terrorism," Mr. Ayers said. "I didn't kill innocent people."

Mr. Ayers has always been known as a "rich kid radical." His father, Thomas, now 86, was chairman and chief executive officer of Commonwealth Edison of Chicago, chairman of Northwestern University and of the Chicago Symphony. When someone mentions his father's prominence, Mr. Ayers is quick to say that his father did not become wealthy until the son was a teenager. He says that he got some of his interest in social activism from his father. He notes that his father promoted racial equality in Chicago and was acceptable as a mediator to Mayor Richard Daley and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in 1966 when King marched in Cicero, Ill., to protest housing segregation.

All in all, Mr. Ayers had "a golden childhood," he said, though he did have a love affair with explosives. On July 4, he writes, "my brothers and I loved everything about the wild displays of noise and color, the flares, the surprising candle bombs, but we trembled mostly for the Big Ones, the loud concussions."

The love affair seems to have continued into adulthood. Even today, he finds "a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance," he writes.

He attended Lake Forest Academy in Lake Forest, Ill., then the University of Michigan but dropped out to join Students for a Democratic Society.

In 1967 he met Ms. Dohrn in Ann Arbor, Mich. She had a law degree from the University of Chicago and was a magnetic speaker who often wore thigh-high boots and miniskirts. In 1969, after the Manson family murders in Beverly Hills, Ms. Dohrn told an S.D.S. audience: "Dig it! Manson killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they shoved a fork into a victim's stomach."

In Chicago recently, Ms. Dohrn said of her remarks: "It was a joke. We were mocking violence in America. Even in my most inflamed moment I never supported a racist mass murderer."

Ms. Dohrn, Mr. Ayers and others eventually broke with S.D.S. to form the more radical Weathermen, and in 1969 Ms. Dohrn was arrested and charged with resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer during the Days of Rage protests against the trial of the Chicago Eight — antiwar militants accused of conspiracy to incite riots at the 1968 Democratic National Convention.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: academia; ayers; democrats; dohrn; obamasbuddies; pentagon; realdemocrats; terrorists; unamericanactivities; weathermen
(Sorry if this has been posted already. Checked keywords in archives and couldn't find it.)

This was published by the NYT on the very day planes hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

This is only first page of piece.

1 posted on 09/17/2001 6:18:20 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: gumbo
Fortunately, we were able to keep Mrs. Ayers, the former Days of Rage orchestrator Bernadine Dohrn, from admission to the New York Bar after she got her communist butt through law school. She has nonetheless received heaps of praise from the former Chief of the American Bar Association, which gives me one more reason why I've never joined that flatulent group.
2 posted on 09/17/2001 6:21:50 AM PDT by laconic
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To: gumbo
All of their rationalizations for their deeds will do no good when they finally meet their ultimate judge.
3 posted on 09/17/2001 6:23:38 AM PDT by Russ
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To: laconic
And if you had any doubts as to why the electic company in Chicago performs so poorly, Ayers' wealthy father (the kid "hates the rich", get it?) ran it.
4 posted on 09/17/2001 6:23:55 AM PDT by laconic
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To: aculeus
NY Times "lefty bombers are so cute" alert.
5 posted on 09/17/2001 6:30:58 AM PDT by dighton
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To: gumbo
All in all, Mr. Ayers had "a golden childhood," he said, though he did have a love affair with explosives.... Even today, he finds "a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance," he writes.....

In 1969, after the Manson family murders in Beverly Hills, Ms. Dohrn told an S.D.S. audience: "Dig it! Manson killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they shoved a fork into a victim's stomach."

In Chicago recently, Ms. Dohrn said of her remarks: "It was a joke.

Har har!! What a bunch of fun-loving cut-ups!! And how appropriate for the NY Times to publish a big suck-up piece to them on this day, of all days!!

Thinking back on his life , Mr. Ayers said, "I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire. And hope and history rhymed."

Hmmm...where have I heard this phrase before?? "Hope and History",....."Hope and History"??? Hmmm....

Oh yeah, ....


6 posted on 09/17/2001 6:38:03 AM PDT by Cincinatus
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To: laconic
Fortunately, we were able to keep Mrs. Ayers, the former Days of Rage orchestrator Bernadine Dohrn, from admission to the New York Bar after she got her communist butt through law school

Thank you for stopping that.

Too bad no one at University of Illinois stopped Ayers from being anointed Distinguished Professor of Education.

7 posted on 09/17/2001 6:39:25 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: Cincinatus
Brilliant find!
8 posted on 09/17/2001 6:40:09 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: gumbo
For years Bill Ayers has insinuated himself where he can do maximum harm to U.S. values -- as a "professor of education" and on a government payroll no less (University of Illinois at Chicago).

Ayers presses on as a modern day Marxist community agitator, as a shill for the anti-Western multiculturalist movement, involved in one project after another funded by liberal foundations such MacArthur, Joyce, et al. That's how tax dollars are "invested" in what passes for Illinois postsecondary education.

9 posted on 09/17/2001 6:41:11 AM PDT by Hibernius Druid
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To: Cincinatus
In view of your brilliant find re Between Hope and History, guess I should post page two of the article.

(Page 2 of 2)

In 1970 came the town house explosion in Greenwich Village. Ms. Dohrn failed to appear in court in the Days of Rage case, and she and Mr. Ayers went underground, though there were no charges against Mr. Ayers. Later that spring the couple were indicted along with others in Federal Court for crossing state lines to incite a riot during the Days of Rage, and following that for "conspiracy to bomb police stations and government buildings." Those charges were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct, including illegal surveillance.

During his fugitive years, Mr. Ayers said, he lived in 15 states, taking names of dead babies in cemeteries who were born in the same year as he. He describes the typical safe house: there were usually books by Malcolm X and Ho Chi Minh, and Che Guevara's picture in the bedroom; fermented Vietnamese fish sauce in the refrigerator, and live sourdough starter donated by a Native American that was reputed to have passed from hand to hand over a century.

He also writes about the Weathermen's sexual experimentation as they tried to "smash monogamy." The Weathermen were "an army of lovers," he says, and describes having had different sexual partners, including his best male friend.

"Fugitive Days" does have moments of self-mockery, for instance when Mr. Ayers describes watching "Underground," Emile De Antonio's 1976 documentary about the Weathermen. He was "embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way," he writes. "The rigidity and the narcissism."

In the mid-1970's the Weathermen began quarreling. One faction, including Ms. Boudin, wanted to join the Black Liberation Army. Others, including Ms. Dohrn and Mr. Ayers, favored surrendering. Ms. Boudin and Ms. Dohrn had had an intense friendship but broke apart. Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn were purged from the group.

Ms. Dohrn and Mr. Ayers had a son, Zayd, in 1977. After the birth of Malik, in 1980, they decided to surface. Ms. Dohrn pleaded guilty to the original Days of Rage charge, received three years probation and was fined $1,500. The Federal charges against Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn had already been dropped.

Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn tried to persuade Ms. Boudin to surrender because she was pregnant. But she refused, and went on to participate in the Brink's robbery. When she was arrested, Ms. Dohrn and Mr. Ayers volunteered to care for Chesa, then 14 months old, and became his legal guardians.

A few months later Ms. Dohrn was called to testify about the robbery. Ms. Dohrn had not seen Ms. Boudin for a year, she said, and knew nothing of it. Ms. Dohrn was asked to give a handwriting sample, and refused, she said, because the F.B.I. already had one in its possession. "I felt grand juries were illegal and coercive," she said. For refusing to testify, she was jailed for seven months, and she and Mr. Ayers married during a furlough.

Once again, Chesa was without a mother. "It was one of the hardest things I did," said Ms. Dohrn of going to jail.

In the interview, Mr. Ayers called Chesa "a very damaged kid." "He had real serious emotional problems," he said. But after extensive therapy, "became a brilliant and wonderful human being." .

After the couple surfaced, Ms. Dohrn tried to practice law, taking the bar exam in New York. But she was turned down by the Bar Association's character committee because of her political activities.

Ms. Dohrn said she was aware of the contradictions between her radical past and the comforts of her present existence. "This is where we raised our kids and are taking care of our aging parents," she said. "We could live much more simply, and well we might."

And as for settling into marriage after efforts to smash monogamy, Ms. Dohrn said, "You're always trying to balance your understanding of who you are and what you need, and your longing and imaginings of freedom."

"Happily for me, Billy keeps me laughing, he keeps me growing," she said.

Mr. Ayers said he had some of the same conflicts about marriage. "We have to learn how to be committed," he said, "and hold out the possibility of endless reinventions."

As Mr. Ayers mellows into middle age, he finds himself thinking about truth and reconciliation, he said. He would like to see a Truth and Reconciliation Commission about Vietnam, he said, like South Africa's. He can imagine Mr. Kerrey and Ms. Boudin taking part.

And if there were another Vietnam, he is asked, would he participate again in the Weathermen bombings?

By way of an answer, Mr. Ayers quoted from "The Cure at Troy," Seamus Heaney's retelling of Sophocles' "Philoctetes:" " `Human beings suffer,/ They torture one another./ They get hurt and get hard.' "

He continued to recite:

History says, Don't hope

On this side of the grave.

But then, once in a lifetime

The longed-for tidal wave

Of justice can rise up

And hope and history rhyme.

Thinking back on his life , Mr. Ayers said, "I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire. And hope and history rhymed."


10 posted on 09/17/2001 6:46:25 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: gumbo
Any idea whom the scumbos named their sons Malik and Zayd after?
11 posted on 09/17/2001 6:53:36 AM PDT by laconic
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To: laconic
Any idea whom the scumbos named their sons Malik and Zayd after?

Their real fathers?

12 posted on 09/17/2001 6:59:53 AM PDT by Random Access
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To: laconic
No. Does sound as if they identify with a certain OTHER culture that ALSO hates America, doesn't it?
13 posted on 09/17/2001 7:01:59 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: gumbo
They hate everything about America. Interesting how the State of Illinois rewards them, isn't it? As I recall, one of the state prosecutors was paralyzed by bums who followed the clarion call of the Ayers/Dohrn gang during the Weathersissies Days of Rage.
14 posted on 09/17/2001 7:09:10 AM PDT by laconic
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To: gumbo
"I was a child of privilege"

Ayers,dohrn,gore,bomber ted,gebfart,dasshole,rodbutt rodham and the list goes on and on.

I am GD tired of these worthless pieces of SH*T trying to socialize us or kill us.

15 posted on 09/17/2001 7:11:15 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: gumbo
Check out David Horowitz's comment on this story, Allies in War.
16 posted on 09/17/2001 7:22:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus
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To: Cincinatus
Thanks for the link. Horowitz brilliant as usual.

Outrageous nihilism was the Weatherman political style. As soon as her tribute to Manson was completed, Dohrn was followed to the Flint platform by another Weather leader who ranted, "We’re against everything that’s ‘good and decent’ in honky America. We will loot and burn and destroy. We are the incubation of your mothers’ nightmares."

--David Horowitz, re Bernardine Dohrn

Chilling.

17 posted on 09/17/2001 7:31:52 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: gumbo
Chilling, yes, tough talk, yes, Tough People? No, they're cowards and they're weak and they struck by night because they wouldn't face anyone strong in teh light of day. Low-grade trash and if they thought the Manson gang was "funny", perhaps they should have talked to Rosemary and Leno LaBianca, killed for no reason whatever.
18 posted on 09/17/2001 7:34:48 AM PDT by laconic
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To: gumbo
She has nonetheless received heaps of praise from the former Chief of the American Bar Association, which gives me one more reason why I've never joined that flatulent group

Not only that, but according to Horowitz's article (linked above, #16) "a member of the American Bar Association’s governing elite, as well as the director of Northwestern University’s Children and Family Justice Center."

19 posted on 09/17/2001 7:37:21 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: Cincinatus
Osama bin Laden our terrorist enemy and mass murderer is not exactly one of your huddled masses. He is a Saudi prince! Sheik Abdel Rahman, architect of the first World Trade Center bombing is a sheik! Brutalization [by "Amerikkka"] is not their problem. They are brutes!

Another great point by Horowitz. Bin Laden and his ilk are not poor peasants, somehow "brutalized" by "Amerikkka."

No, he is a child of privilege, just like our home-grown Weathermen (shouldn't that be Weatherpeople?).

20 posted on 09/17/2001 7:59:12 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: gumbo
All you need to know about the NY Times:

Quote:
the Times's new publisher, Arthur "Pinch" Sulzberger Jr. Pinch was a sixties anti-war activist who famously declared that in a confrontation between an American and a North Vietnamese soldier he'd want to see the American get shot."
Unquote.
Stanley Kurtz (NRO on line, June 5, 2001)

21 posted on 09/17/2001 8:47:46 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: dighton
See my #21.

Perhaps with so many Times people witnessing 9/11 it will have a beneficial effect on a few of them.

22 posted on 09/17/2001 8:51:18 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: gumbo
"I don't regret setting bombs,...he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people"

I'm sure this was written without the slightest sense of it's contradictory nature.

23 posted on 09/17/2001 9:40:28 AM PDT by CaptRon
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To: CaptRon
Yep, another narcissist of the same mold as The Slick One.
24 posted on 09/17/2001 9:51:21 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: aculeus
The snivelling lefties at the NYT are a disgrace --Sulzberger, Apple, Dowd included.

Will they have learned from the events that unfolded on the very day they published this half-admiring article? I doubt it.

25 posted on 09/17/2001 9:58:21 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: gumbo
BTTT
26 posted on 09/17/2001 11:31:46 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: gumbo
I just e-mailed this to Bill O'Reilly. Ayers needs a good clock-cleaning.
27 posted on 09/17/2001 11:41:32 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: gumbo
BTTT
28 posted on 09/17/2001 11:54:39 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: gumbo
Thank you for posting this, Ira Stoll (of SmarterTimes.com) and several other people have mentioned this.

The NY Times has egg all over its face, as does Newsweek (the copy of Newsweek on the stands when the planes hit was calling Bush illegitimate) as well as Biden (he criticized Bush's "Mystical Belief" in Rouge States) and all of the people who openly supported terrorists up to this day.

29 posted on 09/17/2001 11:59:24 AM PDT by xm177e2
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood
Thanks for the bumps, and for sending it to O'Reilly. Good idea.
30 posted on 09/17/2001 1:56:11 PM PDT by gumbo
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To: xm177e2
The NY Times has egg all over its face, as does Newsweek (the copy of Newsweek on the stands when the planes hit was calling Bush illegitimate) as well as Biden (he criticized Bush's "Mystical Belief" in Rouge States) and all of the people who openly supported terrorists up to this day.

May that egg stick on their faces for a long, long while.

Heard that Chris Matthews was lamenting that Clinton never got a big moment like this so he could assume national greatness. Don't know if that is true, but if so, HOW BIZARRE! But, how like Chris!

31 posted on 09/17/2001 2:00:49 PM PDT by gumbo
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To: gumbo
BTTT
32 posted on 09/18/2001 7:16:04 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: gumbo
BTTT
33 posted on 09/18/2001 5:01:49 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: gumbo
BTTT
34 posted on 09/24/2001 2:55:26 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood
Thanks for the bumps! Though this story was published by the New York Times on September 11, it's still (to use a 60's word ironically), relevant.

We should look at those smug faces of our own homegrown terrorists, every day, to remind ourselves that the enemy is within, holding positions of prestige and respect, fooling the American public just as their foreign counterparts do.

35 posted on 09/25/2001 5:04:47 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: gumbo
Yeah, I actually happened to see the NYT at work on Sept. 11th. To read this article on that awful Tuesday was an exercise in nausea. Americans need to know that people like this are teaching their children.
36 posted on 09/25/2001 6:02:21 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: Random Access
Probably a couple of fags. It figures this guy is a cornholer. Never knew a college professor that was worth a shit at any thing besides drinking beer and listening to himself talk.
37 posted on 09/26/2001 8:51:46 AM PDT by MAWG
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To: gumbo
BTTT
38 posted on 10/03/2001 7:07:25 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: gumbo

BUMP!

Very relevant to today’s discussions about Obama’s associations, especially this one to Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground.


39 posted on 05/06/2008 8:17:28 AM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: Tatze

BUMP


40 posted on 05/06/2008 9:55:33 AM PDT by weegee ("I didn't kill innocent people." - Bill Ayers, Weatherman. Terrorist. Obama's comrade.)
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To: gumbo

bump


41 posted on 05/06/2008 10:03:26 AM PDT by VOA
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To: gumbo

More lowdown on Ayers/Dohrn via David Horowitz/FrontPageMag:

Bill Ayers
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2169

Bernardine Dohrn
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2190

Obama and His Weatherman Friends
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Obama%20and%20His%20Weatherman%20Friends.html


42 posted on 05/06/2008 10:09:28 AM PDT by VOA
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To: gumbo

bump


43 posted on 05/06/2008 10:58:11 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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