The Case Against Gary Condit

self | 9-8-01 | dogbyte12

[dogbyte12]

This should be food for thought for the Condit apologists karth and justice4all at least. I hope the media actually reads some of the things we have gathered here. We, for example, were discussing Luray, VA for about 2 months until the media finally "discovered" it. Maybe next, they will "discover" somebody who went to Condit's office May 1st, and was told he was (a) there, or (b) not there

[dogbyte12]

FYI

[HateBill]

Thanks for your careful analysis. There is a reason Gary and Chandra might have stopped being in contact, which is that Gary did in fact break up with her. He didn't hear back from her (i.e., no "flurry of calls") and assumed that she was willing to let him off the hook. This could be consistent with his innocence (although I do not believe he is innocent at all). He would not say "Well, she didn't call me because I dumped her and I didn't call her because I dumped her. I thought she got the message and that's why there are no phone calls."

Initially he might have thought, "well, I can't admit that because I would sound so callous, and no one will ever believe I had anything to do with her disappearance anyway, so I'll just stonewall."

This, to me, is a possible scenario wherein Condit didn't have anything to do with Chandra after a date certain (say the 24th if that's when the records stop), and had nothing at all to do with her disappearance.

Do I believe it? No. It is inconceivable to me that he would continue to stonewall, allow his children to lose their high-paying jobs, subject himself and his wife to the implacable scrutiny of the media following them 24/7 if he had nothing to do with Chandra's disappearance.

But Gary Condit has proved that he is no "rocket scientist." In fact, he seems to be uniquely stupid for someone in elected office. Way back in college I read an existential novel (Camus' "The Stranger" I believe) where someone who had no connection with his mother's death allows himself to be thought guilty of it due to essentially his inertia and ennui -- a total unwillingness to exert himself enough to fight back because he couldn't conceive that people would actually think him guilty of something he did not do. Could Condit be a Camus-like figure?

At any rate, this is more of a "thought experiment" than anything I could actually believe because I truly believe that Condit is 100% GUILTY!

[Inge_CAV]

A Neckties on the bedpost, body shaving, BUMP.

[The Other Harry]

You post goes to the heart of what always bothers me whenever I try on the Condit-didn't-do-it shoe.

There are so many odd coincidences there that all converged at the exact same point in time, culminating in the permanant disappearance of Chandra Levy.

I've fiddled around with making a list of them. It's a long list, and it's far from complete.

[terilyn]

Excellent summary! Something that I have been thinking about lately, (and I'll probably get flamed), but here goes. Carolyn Condit flies to DC for the first time in a year. Just happens to be the weekend that Chandra disappears. Gary, Chad, Cadee, Papa & Mama Condit are all interviewed as well as staffers and Condit's attorney. Where's Carolyn? Nobody can say a bad word about Gary Condit. Gary Condit's a swell guy, a real gentleman. Everytime the conversation turned to Carolyn the answer was some generic version of the family is fine.

My question is did Carolyn Condit have Chandra killed? Did she do it herself and get somebody to clean up for her? Is the entire family so defensive of Gary Condit because they know that he really didn't kill Chandra, but rather is covering for the little woman? He wouldn't dare point the finger at her at this point considering he was a lying, cheating, scum of the earth husband. Or could she have forced the issue and demanded that Gary get rid of her. I keep thinking about her picture on the cover of People Magazine. That was not the picture of a sad or embarassed/humiliated woman. That was the picture of an angry woman who possibly? had just gotten her pound of flesh. To me her face was saying, "Don't screw with me"!

Don't get me wrong, Condit is pond scum at best and needs to be removed from office. He certainly would have been responsible for the circumstances that led up to her disappearance. My mind just keeps going back to Carolyn for some reason and I keep thinking she is deep in the middle of all of this and that's possibly why the kids et all seem to have no remorse over how Gary Condit treated her. They blame her for his fall from grace & power. When Gary said to Anne Marie, "You won't believe what they're trying to do to me." Could he have been referring to Carolyn and whoever helped her?

[aposiopetic]

Characteristically thorough and thought-provoking. Thanks for the post. I hope the media start to get it.

[Salvation]

I like your junk cell phone, fake names idea. Maybe Condit bought one for himself, too (with a fake name of course) Cash only tendered and no tracing of names through credit cards. Sounds interesting.

[Radioheart]

Is the entire family so defensive of Gary Condit because they know that he really didn't kill Chandra, but rather is covering for the little woman?

If Gary Condit thought he could point the finger at his wife, and people would believe it, he would do it in a heartbeat - whether she did it or not - in order to save his selfish butt!

[Salvation]

And the watch box. Was that watch on Chandra the last time Condit saw her?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[dalebert]

Thanks. its nice to get back to what happened to chandra. I guess you can asume that the meeting on 2nd with reporter was for more than lunch. I really think LK missed it when he did not press Dayton about Luray. I have said all along that Condit or someone taking Chandra to Condit is who she left with. Or, if the blanket on the floor by the door is true, then someone took her from the apartment when she answered the door and that accounts for the stall until security video is destroyed.I am thinking that Condits unaccounted time is to lure her out of the apartment.

[terilyn]

You're probably right. Is it possible that Carolyn knew about his kinky behavior and had threatened to expose him if he didn't keep quiet? Just thinking out loud. I've thought from the beginning that Condit had either killed her or had her killed. That People Mag picture of Carolyn just gave me the creeps though.

[Silly]

There is "no proof" that Gary Condit did it. There is no proof he didn't either. You would think that 4 months later with all this scrutiny, he would have been cleared by now.

That is very perceptive. Good job.

[Salvation]

Good ideas, dalebert. And my question about her leaving her apartment has always been----Why did she leave with only her keys? No ID, no purse, no money---just keys?????

[Kermit]

I would add in the info about Condit offering to offer a reward immediately on speaking to the Levys. Also, Condit told Anne Marie Smith that he couldn't see her for awhile, that he was in trouble. He also told someone that this would never come to trial. Now, how would he know that. There's so much Condidit has said that scream GUILT, GUILT, GUILT.

[Nitro]

Lt. Columbo I presume.

You have put it all together in an excellent chronological progression, I thought he was in on it before, now he has gone from a possible suspect to a certain suspect.

If you aren't a cop, you should be!

[Nitro]

Excellent point; we always here about the watch box, but where is the watch itself?

[dalebert]

Gary requested she leave her keys or possibly he wanted his key back. Poster who mentioned Mrs.C being involved. Some resident in Ceres said that everyone knew the Condits had not lived together in years.

[Salvation]

Didn't you mean to say that Condit requested that she leave ONLY with her keys? And since everything was still in her apartment:
packed bags
money
purse
I'm not sure about other items.

Doesn't the fact that she left ONLY with her keys indicate that she was picked up by Condit or by someone she knew who was taking her to Condit (or said he/she was taking her to Condit)?

[Peach]

This is probably the best analysis I've seen to date about the phone calls - many interesting unanswered questions here. The only other thing I'd mention is the matter of the phone call to AMS re having to disappear for a while and the matter of the watch box. Hope someone in the press pays attention. You probably have Billy Martin's e-mail address and I'd send this along immediately. It's likely their investigators have thought of some of these issues but doubtful they have thought of them all. This is really excellent work.