Posted on 03/10/2024 12:23:31 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
You DO NOT roll anything back. It's called "PEACE through STRENGTH!"
Post 9/11 the threat con was very real and so was the need for ammo. I would imagine these guardsmen are only carrying 9 mm for self defense so no need for M4s as it only gets in the way of a potential for loss or theft. Posse comitatus only applies to federal troops inside the U.S. border. Guard troops not under Federal orders are solely state troops and specifically except from posse comitatus. A governor has the power to arm every guard member and use them for state level law enforcement with every guard weapon available including tanks looking at you Waco Texas. Guard MPs and CID are routinely used for “Task Force” duty ranging from narco to border security back when we had a real border. Texas Guard has been used with MH60s and predator drones for narco task forces. The state AG issues creds for MPs and CID for full arrest powers. The US AG can, has and will also issues special use creds to Guard CID via the US marshals for task Force duty since they are state level troops posse comitatus doesn’t apply even if it’s fed creds they are holding.
True.
Center of mass is the biggest, easiest to hit, vital target, especially in a chaotic, fast moving situation.
That said, if you can see an armor plate, you should, probably, try somewhere else.
ABC Radio News was reporting last week that crime was down in the subways. Why this?
Posse Comitatus
What about it? You are being too vague to make sense.
Posse Comitatus is pretty clear, it takes presidential authority to use troops against civilians. Now at a state level which is what the New York National Guard is, they can be deployed by the governor, because they are not federal troops under the DOD. The Coast Guard is used regularly in a Posse Comitatus condition because they are not federal troops they are part of the uniform services. If you look at the uniform services there are seven the National Guard is not listed as one of those seven. If you look at armed services there are five the National Guard is not listed under those five. Therefore technically the National Guard is not a military service unless directed by the president or the local governor.
Here’s the kicker... if they are deployed by a governor and individuals become casualties and are disabled as a result chances are they are not covered with any benefits whatsoever, and since it wasn’t a federal assignment they are not covered by the VA... what a deal that is.
I get the whole Soldier/Citizen concept but I think the NG are poorly trained, suited, or equipped to handle the responsibilities entrusted to them in emergency responses.
A quick reading of the comment section of this article would bear that out. Half the time they’re not even carrying ammunition, which pretty much puts them in the window dressing category. And it goes to reason that if the government doesn’t trust them to be fully equipped for a wide range of contingencies than they are really not the military. However, if you look at the raw definition of DOD their job is to put ordinance on target. The National Guard’s job is to do whatever the governor needs doing, wherever sandbags need filling, wherever the government can decide to put lots of bodies quickly to help avert disaster or to clean up after disaster.
Why should the government use federal troops,? It’s a whole lot easier to use NG and wash their hands of it.
I actually feel rather badly about the way NG is treated. Especially in the hands of reprehensible political animals.
All of that has been addressed on the thread, and why do you think they are poorly trained, what do you think is inadequate about the Green Beret units in the Guard? How do you account for the superiority of some Guard units over their active counterparts?
Did you see any special forces deployed at the NYC subway?
You're thinking this is the New York Guard. It's not. I was a member of the NYG. That is the actual state militia. Unfortunately, being New York, the New York Guard is routinely unarmed (and has little-to-no access to normal military equipment, with some rare exceptions.)
This, however, is the New York NATIONAL Guard. The National Guard are people that went to Afghanistan and Iraq, along with the Reserve. They are the ones that are usually issued military small arms and can access other hardware as the mission requires. These are the people that are being sent to the NY C subways.
I'll tell you why they are being pulled back or being sent unarmed: This being NYC, you can expect more than a few of the troops to be forcibly disarmed, resulting in quite a few full-autos being available to the criminal element.
The National Guard? I'd wager the 22,000 Guard that were sent to Afghanistan under arms, and the even-greater number that were sent to both phases of the Iraq war.
That number of people, plus one.... me.
You, sir, get it.
I try but your posts are too vague and slippery.
Just read the thread, there is good information on it.
Wow. You just won't relent in your mistaken belief that the National Guard are not a professional military organization, on par with the regular military.
You are quite wrong. Air National Guard, for example, operate full-on combat-ready F16 fighter aircraft since Operation Enduring Freedom, onwards... which is no small feat.
Please adjust your opinion to conform with reality. Thanks in advance.
I was a 95B in the NY State Guard (not National Guard). I understand that the 95B MOS has changed. I forget what it is now, I suppose I could look it up, but I'm going back to bed.
Whenever I talk to a troop in active service, nowadays. and tell him I was a 95B, I get a quizzical look. :^)
There weren’t any special forces at the New York subway probably because New York does not have a Special Forces Unit attached to their National Guard. I think the closest one would be Massachusetts but I’m no expert.
I remember reading during the 1970s an article about the best Air Force in the world and it explained why the American Air National Guard was the best, since then I started paying more attention to the National Guard and realized that many of their units are manned by the veterans who love the part-time duty and who also do their specialties in civilian life.
Another example would be MPs who pulled a hitch or two in the Army and then became civilian cops and then spend decades in the National Guard MP units because they love it and there are many units like that.
Some people don’t realize that the Guard schools are the regular Army schools, you go to basic and AIT and then during your National Guard time you attend whatever Army schools you need.
You may be right but I feel it is immaterial to the point(s) we are discussing. IOW, who cares if special forces were present?
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