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NATO needs to pull its soldiers from Ukraine
Asia Times ^ | 3/1/24 | Stephen Bryen

Posted on 03/02/2024 10:19:04 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970

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To: EnderWiggin1970

NATO soldiers in Ukraine?

Another “conspiracy theory” becomes conspiracy fact.


21 posted on 03/02/2024 11:25:43 AM PST by PGR88
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To: EEGator

If they are being paid by the US taxpayers, what is the difference? I would guess the answer to that would be, we pay UN-kraine to pay our soldiers. That is how we do it, cutouts, and misdirection to lie to the American public.


22 posted on 03/02/2024 11:28:10 AM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Good point. It’s not like they are going to vote for his opposition. First Putin is always getting over 60% of the vote...often well over 60%. And their elections are actually more fair than USAs.


23 posted on 03/02/2024 11:50:54 AM PST by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: Glad2bnuts

I could join a mercenary company based out of say France, and the Ukraine pays that company.
Our troops leads to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

No nudge-nudge, wink-wink.
It’s in your face to Putin.


24 posted on 03/02/2024 12:01:25 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Mariner; ncalburt; EnderWiggin1970
--- "The Asian Times a CCP propaganda Site for the west?” Smart people judge the content, not the source.

Looking behind the proverbial curtain:

Asia Times Digital Limited
1085-8888 Odlin Cres. Richmond, B.C. Canada V6X 3Z8

Source: Asia Times Contact Us

Publisher and Editor-in-Chief: Uwe Parpart

More about Parpart:

President Asia Pacific

Mr. Uwe von Parpart joined the Company in January 2021 and was a co-managing director to develop the business operations. Mr. Parpart was appointed President of Asia Pacific of the Company on April 1, 2022. Mr. Parpart has been developing the business strategies of the Company and guiding the development of the financial research and analytic models of the Company since 2021. Mr. Parpart was also a director of IMTE for the period from December 2019 to August 2021. Since 2016, he has also been the Chairman and Publisher of Asia Times Holding Limited, a Canada-based English language news media publishing group, covering politics, economics, business and culture from an Asian perspective. From 2011 to 2016, Mr. Parpart was the Executive Managing Director, Chief Strategist, and Head – Research of Reorient Group Limited, a company listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange Limited. Mr. Parpart brings over three decades of experience in finance, journalism, and academia to our Company. Before Reorient, he was the Chief Economist and Strategist at Cantor Fitzgerald HK Capital Markets from 2006 to 2011 and prior to that a senior currency strategist at Bank of America. Mr. Parpart’s experience in Asia dates back to the late 1980s, when he worked with the Mitsubishi Research Institute in Tokyo, and later served as an advisor to the Thailand’s Prime Minister’s office. He has contributed to numerous magazines and publications; he was the founding editor of Asia Times from 1995 – 1997, a contributing editor of Forbes magazine, and a columnist for Shinchosha Foresight magazine, Tokyo. He was a frequent guest on CNBC and Bloomberg TV. After serving as an officer in the German Navy, Mr. Parpart received a Fulbright scholarship for doctoral studies in Mathematics and Philosophy at the University of Pennsylvania. He had also taught at University of Pennsylvania and Swarthmore College.

Source: Uwe Parpart

And who is Greifenberg​? "Greifenberg is a holding company and it operates the Fintech business through its subsidiary company, Greifenberg Analytics Limited. We are headquartered in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada."

Source: Greifenberg About US

Contact Details
Offices in:
(US) Suite 7061, 31 West 34th Street, New York, New York USA.
(CA) Suite 130 – 10691 Shellbridge Way, Richmond, BC, Canada

Source: Greifenberg CANADA

As to the author of the editorial on Asia Times:
Stephen Bryen, Senior Fellow

From his bio: "Dr. Bryen was the founder of the Defense Technology Security Administration and served as a Deputy under Secretary of Defense and Director of DTSA during both Reagan administrations. He led the Defense Department’s efforts to halt the hemorrhage of western technology to the Soviet Union and China. He was the Pentagon’s spokesperson on technology security and led the Department’s efforts in Paris at COCOM and in other fora. He played a major role in halting the transfer of sensitive technology to Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Libya and was the principal player in establishing cooperative agreements with allied and friendly countries on the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI)."

Yorktown Institute resume

Next time some one throws around "CCP," it probably would be a good idea to double check. Assertions can be made so easily without any basis at all.
25 posted on 03/02/2024 1:27:07 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

How many american soldiers have already died there? Their families being informed of “training accident” that definitely wasn’t in ukr. For folks that want to be at war with russia we should have a special program where their own children and grandchildren provide the troops and they should pay war tax to fund it.


26 posted on 03/02/2024 1:36:53 PM PST by ozarker
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Newsweek just reported Ukraine is getting a “Defense Boost” from Israel.

Israel is doubling down its military support for Ukraine.

Israel will provide Ukraine with an early warning system against missiles as
part of Israel’s aid package for Kyiv, to assist in defending democracy from Russian aggression.

Any aid package from Israel to Ukraine is to be considered US aid since
US financial and military aid to Israel gets broad support in the US Congress


According to an internal US govt list of the weapons described to The WSJ, among US arms the Biden admin U.S. handed over to Israel after Oct 7 include:
<><>more than 5,000 Mk82 unguided or “dumb” bombs,
<><>more than 5,400 Mk84 2,000 pound warhead bombs,
<><>around 1,000 GBU-39 small diameter bombs,
<><>approximately 3,000 JDAMs, which turn unguided bombs into guided “smart” bombs,
<><>BLU-109 bunker busters w/ 2,000 pound warheads designed to penetrate concrete shelters.

Military analysts say the transfer of large bombs to Israel illustrates the choices facing the Israeli military as it attempts to wipe out Hamas in Gaza, a tiny, densely populated ribbon of land that is home to more than two million Palestinians. Israel urged more than a million civilians to leave the northern part of the Gaza Strip to give its military a freer hand there, but tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilians have remained in the area.

The U.S. has transferred about 1,000 GBU-39 small diameter bombs to Israel to help dislodge Hamas from Gaza.

pic a U.S. Air Force senior airman guides a bomb rack unit equipped with GBU-39s, as seen in 2020. PHOTO: 379TH AIR EXPEDITIONARY WING PUBLIC AFFAIRS

In Gaza, Hamas’s military wing also uses a vast network of underground tunnels, which Israel could attempt to strike with the bunker busters, analysts say. The tunnels however lie beneath Gaza’s urban landscape of apartment blocks, schools, hospitals, and other civilian buildings.

U.S. officials say Israel used an American-provided bomb with a large payload in one of the deadliest strikes of the entire war, an attack that leveled an apartment block in Gaza’s Jabalia refugee camp, killing more than 100 people. Israel said the strike killed a Hamas leader.

“There is potentially a legitimate use for these things, to bust underground bunkers,” said Finucane, the former attorney-advisor at the State Department. “The problem is there’s a massive refugee camp with hundreds of thousands of civilians on top of those tunnels when you drop the bomb. You need to factor in the harm to civilians.”

The U.S. has also sent Israel roughly 57,000 155mm artillery shells—a key munition the U.S. has also provided Ukraine since the 2022 Russian invasion—along with thousands of other artillery shells and various small arms.

Even before the US armed the war in Gaza, the nation’s 155mm artillery rounds were in such short supply that the U.S. was forced to reach deep into its global stockpiles and turned to allies South Korea and Japan, among other countries, to provide more arms to Ukraine.

Vivian Salama in Dubai contributed to this article.


27 posted on 03/02/2024 3:21:24 PM PST by Liz (This then is how we should pray: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. )
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To: FreedomPoster

Four BCTs and they’d be in Vladivostok by Christmas.

Or maybe you think the Republican Guard, Line of Death, etc. were significant?

Same crap equipment.
Same crap logistics.
Same crap training
Same crap serf troops
Same crap motivation
Same crap results.


28 posted on 03/02/2024 4:01:14 PM PST by Justa
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To: Justa

A nuclear war could ruin your whole day.

Not many of them have to work. They have a LOT.

I think anyone pushing war with the Russians, like you and the MIC, extremely foolish.


29 posted on 03/02/2024 4:39:18 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

You completely failed to provide any evidence it is a “CCP propaganda site for the west” LOL. If anything you did the opposite. That’s a nice expression of prejudice and offering excuses for why you deny evidence you don’t want to hear though.


30 posted on 03/02/2024 5:20:15 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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--- "You completely failed to provide any evidence it is a 'CCP propaganda site for the west' LOL. If anything you did the opposite. That’s a nice expression of prejudice and offering excuses for why you deny evidence you don’t want to hear though."

Re-read the thread. The quote above, noted in italics in my comment, was from comment # 12 posted on 3/2/2024, 1:44:04 PM by ncalburt.

He wrote, verbatim:

To: EnderWiggin1970

The Asian Times a CCP propaganda Site for the west ?

We post CCP propaganda now here .

Website is in trouble .

12 posted on 3/2/2024, 1:44:04 PM by ncalburt ( Gop DC Globalists are the evil)

My response -- comment # 25 -- to ncalburt and to all concerned was correct, and indeed PROVED that Asia Times is Canadian, not Communist Chinese.

Moreover and especially, the material linked to about the article's author shows him to be a very well informed American patriot.

What it is about these threads, wherein people lose track of the discussion. Re-read the thread in its entirety.

31 posted on 03/02/2024 6:56:48 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Mariner

Yep. That’s how it could be hidden if someone were trying to hide it.


32 posted on 03/03/2024 4:36:03 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

My bad, I didn’t catch the back-and-forth. My apologies and thanks for your digging all that up.


33 posted on 03/03/2024 6:47:02 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Not a problem. Thanks for your message. And best wishes to you.


34 posted on 03/03/2024 7:58:05 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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