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Much as I support Trump - (voted for him twice) - this gives me cold chills. Does he really think he can ignore history? Does he not KNOW post-war European history?

He may be doing this to get a rise out of European leaders, but he's also winding up the isolationist lunatic fringe, such as will shortly be shite-posting this thread. Bad ju-ju Donald.

1 posted on 02/11/2024 11:44:59 AM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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“...abandoning Europe to fend for itself, it would so severely undermine the alliance that it would cease to exist in its present form.”

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Is the whole of Europe that incapable of defending itself against Russia? A Russia that, if we are to believe the Neo-Cons, is in a stalemate against lonely Ukraine?

The European countries together have an economy easily comparable to the US (and a population considerably larger). Their technology is on par with the US as well. What they can not produce in weapons, they could purchase from the US. There is absolutely no reason (other than imperialistic motives) for getting one’s thong in a wad about Russia “taking over Europe)...not even close. It’s hysterical saber-rattling. Let the Left and Democrats engage in such foolishness for a change. They need to be the “War Party” for a few election cycles. Let them reap the electoral consequences of having that albatross around their neck.


26 posted on 02/11/2024 12:07:17 PM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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Deadbeat countries want us to spend our treasure and lives protecting their sorry butts?

And if we don’t do that cheerfully, the likes of idiots at the BBC will condemn us?

Don’t care. Cough up your share NATO or defend yourselves.


27 posted on 02/11/2024 12:07:29 PM PST by GOPJ ( Ashli Babbit's killer was given a promotion after the murder. Never forget.)
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I’ll take Trump. For the last thirty years NATO has been a solution in search of and sometimes, creating problems to solve.


28 posted on 02/11/2024 12:07:49 PM PST by yuleeyahoo (“Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!” - the deep-state)
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The NATO alliance’s only achievement has been render to its members into demilitarized, hateful basket cases. They would be better off fending for themselves. Going cold Turkey can be very motivating.


30 posted on 02/11/2024 12:08:56 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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All one ever wanted to know about this handle is summed up in this post regarding McConnell/Schumer trying to backdoor 61 billion dollars of Ukraine funding after the abortion of a border deal:

I don’t much care who they are or who hates them, as long as they get it right on this particular subject.

Its "Chad's" contribution to FR much in the same way DannyTN tells SpeedyinTexas he can't vote for Republicans if they don't finance Ukraine, or (banned) MercyFlush saying a nuclear exchange is ok as long as Russia is destroyed.

34 posted on 02/11/2024 12:11:48 PM PST by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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Nah, I have no use for Putlims, but no way do you get to post this and not return to this thread to defend your choice of posts from an Arab fantastist — Garnder of Arabia — whose object of obsession returned the favor by shooting him in Riyadh; whose wife left him just a couple of years ago after decades together; and who doesn’t have a firm grip on reality.


35 posted on 02/11/2024 12:13:43 PM PST by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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Sheesh... it.was.a.joke.


36 posted on 02/11/2024 12:15:23 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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Sources:

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/nato-member-defense-spending-summit/

https://www.statista.com/chart/14636/defense-expenditures-of-nato-countries/

EXCERPTS:

In 2014, NATO was collectively spending $910 billion annually on defense, but in 2023, that figure is $1.1 trillion.

While U.S. defense spending has grown from $660 billion to $743 billion during that period, the defense spending of the rest of NATO has increased at a higher pace, from $250 billion in 2014 to $356 billion in 2023.

Some of that growth, however, was due to adding three new NATO members since 2017: Macedonia, Montenegro, and Finland.

Shares of Real GDP in 2023:

  • Poland 3.90
  • U.S. 3.49
  • Greece 3.01
  • Estonia 2.73
  • Lithuania 2.54
  • Slovak Republic 2.54
  • Finland 2.45
  • Romania 2.44
  • Hungary 2.43
  • Latvia 2.27
  • United Kingdom 2.07
  • France 1.90
  • Montenegro 1.87
  • North Macedonia 1.87
  • Bulgaria 1.84
  • Croatia 1.79
  • Albania 1.76
  • Netherlands 1.70
  • Norway 1.67
  • Denmark 1.65
  • Germany 1.57
  • Czech Republic 1.50
  • Portugal 1.48
  • Italy 1.46
  • Canada 1.38
  • Slovenia 1.35
  • Turkey 1.31
  • Spain 1.26
  • Belgium 1.13
  • Luxembourg 0.72

37 posted on 02/11/2024 12:15:25 PM PST by linMcHlp
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Here we go again with the fake news.


38 posted on 02/11/2024 12:15:29 PM PST by Ge0ffrey
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All this thread needs is; “You are a silly man. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.”


39 posted on 02/11/2024 12:15:30 PM PST by Bernard (We honor veterans who fought to keep this country from turning into what it now is. --Argus Hamilton)
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“isolationist lunatic fringe”

Way to go “Chad”. Again, slandering and insulting people who happen to disagree with you. That’s good old Democrat smear tactics.


40 posted on 02/11/2024 12:15:41 PM PST by rxh4n1
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BTW, the Ukraine is NOT a NATO member.


41 posted on 02/11/2024 12:17:59 PM PST by Ge0ffrey
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The European members of NATO don’t want to spend on defense. They want to spend on social programs.


42 posted on 02/11/2024 12:19:24 PM PST by ealgeone
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And where did all of that money go to? There has not been one audit of expenditures. How much ended up in the pockets of politicians?


44 posted on 02/11/2024 12:25:57 PM PST by silent majority rising (When it is dark enough, men see the stars. Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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He said if a NATO county ‘didn’t pay their ‘NATO’ dues he would not care about them....or something to that effect.

This means if the the country did pay its NATO dues, he would support them.

Sure he said it in his Trump way...but what’s the problem?

If I told you I would not let you buy my golf clubs if you didn’t pay me, wouldn’t you infer that if you did pay me me, you could indeed buy them.

Dems claim to be the smartest people on earth. But, they just hear what they want to hear.


45 posted on 02/11/2024 12:26:26 PM PST by Mustangman
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Shut up, limey! we kicked your ass, and then saved you 3 times!


47 posted on 02/11/2024 12:39:33 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEgermany in 1837. FTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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America First is not lunatic fridge, only to ne[- cons it is.


48 posted on 02/11/2024 12:41:06 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEgermany in 1837. FTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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Since NATO exists for countries to get the US to to fund their defense, pay up or “the Sheriff ain’t gonna hep ya’ll”.

Now what is wrong with that?


49 posted on 02/11/2024 12:47:56 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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(Trump) "gave me cold chills"


51 posted on 02/11/2024 12:59:33 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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More than 1,000,000 American kids have died fighting for Europe in WWI and WWII, with many more millions wounded, and you want US to continue picking up the tab for their defense as they spend their $$$$ on domestic socialism?

What the hell is wrong with you?

52 posted on 02/11/2024 1:02:36 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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