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Ukraine war: Russia escalates attacks with missile barrage on Kyiv, Kharkiv, killing 4, dozens wounded
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Posted on 01/02/2024 4:48:07 AM PST by FarCenter

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To: icclearly

Here’s the bottom line: Russia controls over 20% of former Uke territory after facing off the best NATO and the West has to offer
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…..and throw in 40 countries have sanctioned, supplied and supported the war mongering West…..most of their welfare payments and arms have been flushed down the Ukie toilet.


21 posted on 01/02/2024 7:20:44 AM PST by delta7
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To: Nervous Tick

Interestingly, another similarity with Hamas is that the Uke military and “ nationalist” formations hide behind and among civilians ….implies they really see them as shields not indiscriminate Russian targets


22 posted on 01/02/2024 7:35:32 AM PST by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: icclearly
That's the only real fact that everyone agrees on. Right?

Fact: Because of Putin, Russia invaded its neighbor Ukraine, a sovereign nation with internationally recognized borders.

Fact: Because Russia invaded its neighbor Ukraine, a sovereign nation with internationally recognized borders, Russians are killing Ukrainians and Russians are being killed in Ukraine.

Fact: There is a war in Ukraine, because of Putin. It’s his war. All the killing and maiming of Ukrainians and Russians is because of Putin and his war on Ukraine.

Fact: Putin’s invasion.
Fact: Putin’s war.
Fact: Putin’s fault. And,
Fact: It could end today if Putin says it’s over.

Fact: Putin’s war on Ukraine continues because Putin says so.

23 posted on 01/02/2024 8:05:15 AM PST by GBA (Endeavor to persevere)
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To: canuck_conservative
And you forgot the FACT that a conflict which was supposed to last only 1 week is now in its 96th week

Says who?

Plan A was to blitze Kiev with a small force and get Ukraine to negotiate… to grant autonomy to the Donbas and remain neutral.

Plan B was to invade, take the Donbas, secure a land bridge to Crimea, denazify and demilitarize Ukraine.

Initially Zelensky agreed during Plan A, but then Boris promised the US would back Ukraine with Sanctions, Guns & Money, … and Zelensky backed out so Plan B it is.

Zelensky chose poorly.


Sad.

24 posted on 01/02/2024 8:16:24 AM PST by CapandBall
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To: delta7

“the war mongering West”

You got to be kidding. How one earth could any rational person who is not completely taken in by Russian propaganda even make such a stupid statement?


25 posted on 01/02/2024 8:18:34 AM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: canuck_conservative

“If this is the war Russia wants, that’s what it will get.’
Only if you neocon hosers drag the West into it. Uk can’t do Schiff.


26 posted on 01/02/2024 8:24:12 AM PST by A strike (Words can have gender, humans cannot.)
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To: roving
"It’s OK if civilians were killed because Russia is allowed to do that. That seems to be the thought process of some people."

ABOVE: Putin said an air strike on the Russian city of Belgorod that Moscow said killed 24 civilians and blamed on Ukraine “will not go unpunished”.
27 posted on 01/02/2024 8:40:43 AM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sensesa to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: FarCenter

Hell of a lot of money to not hit anything of military importance...


28 posted on 01/02/2024 8:49:57 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: canuck_conservative
a conflict which was supposed to last only 1 week is now in its 96th week, with no end in sight ... we can all agree on that too, right?

Exactly WHO said it was only going to last a week?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Here's what we can agree on. Putin and the Ukies were ready to sign a peace agreement less than 60 days after the SMO began. Guess who stopped that agreement dead in its tracks? No other than the mouth of the West on instructions from his boss Biden -- Boris Johnson.

Remember? Zelencsky, the homoclown, was told Boris, his fellow clown, "We'll be with you as long as it takes." That is until we're not -- just like your man Biden told big Z let's change that to "as long as we can."

That agreement was before the Z clown lost 20% of his territory and 500,000 of the poor Ukie soldiers.

Smart. Real smart.

You're dumber than Biden and Zelensky the homoclown!

29 posted on 01/02/2024 10:53:12 AM PST by icclearly ( )
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To: GBA
Fact: Putin’s war on Ukraine continues because Putin says so.

There you go again. Pulling facts out of your rear end.

Your statement is absolutely not true. All Zelensky has to do is tell Putin it's over and throw in the towel before he loses it all.

That'll do it. Putin will stop.

Easy-Peasy

30 posted on 01/02/2024 11:01:29 AM PST by icclearly ( )
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To: icclearly
Exactly WHO said it was only going to last a week?

Russia's own actions did ... and as we all learned as kids, actions speak louder than words ...

** Russian troops that got killed early were found with their parade uniforms already packed ... because they thought it would be over so quick **


31 posted on 01/02/2024 11:31:07 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian vermin out!!)
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To: canuck_conservative
Russia's own actions did ... and as we all learned as kids, actions speak louder than words ...

lol, well this explains why you have the world-view of a child and are so misguided about the cause of the conflict.

Sad.

32 posted on 01/02/2024 11:44:28 AM PST by CapandBall
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** Russian troops that got killed early were found with their parade uniforms already packed ... because they thought it would be over so quick **

Oh sure!

You mean like when....

- Putin had cancer
- Putin was paralyzed
- Hookers peed on Trump's Moscow bed
- The Ruskies were losing a general a week (shot dead)
- The Zelensky homoclowns Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter offensive will drive the Rusikies into the Sea Of Azov
- The Ruskie economy will crater due to the mother of all sanctions
- We'll be with you for as long as it takes (ha, ha, ha)

Sure, we get your made-up lies that come out of your butt.

33 posted on 01/02/2024 11:49:40 AM PST by icclearly ( )
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You got to be kidding. How one earth could any rational person who is not completely taken in by Russian propaganda even make such a stupid statement?
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Panama (1989) President George H.W. Bush invaded Panama and overthrew Panamanian dictator and drug-smuggler Manuel Noriega.

Gulf War (1991) Iraq invaded Kuwait, and a U.S.-led multinational force came to Kuwait’s aid and expelled Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein’s forces.

Somalia (1993) A U.S.-led multinational force attempted to restore order to war-torn Somalia so that food could be delivered and distributed within the famine-stricken country.

Bosnia (1994-1995) During the Bosnian civil war, which began shortly after the country declared independence in 1992, the U.S. launched air strikes on Bosnia to prevent “ethnic cleansing,“ primarily by Serbs against Bosnians. The U.S. became a part of NATO’s peacekeeping force in the region.

Kosovo (1999) Yugoslavia’s province of Kosovo erupted into violence in the spring of 1999. A U.S.-led NATO force intervened with air strikes after Slobodan Milosevic’s Serbian forces uprooted the population and embarked on the ethnic cleansing of Kosovo’s ethnic Albanian population.

Global War on Terror (2001- ) In the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, President George Bush launched the Global War on Terrorism-which has become the longest period of continuous war in U.S. history. The United Kingdom, several NATO countries, and other nations have participated to eliminate al-Qada and other militants groups.

Afghanistan (2001-2014) The Taliban government harbored Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaeda terrorist group, responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. After Afghanistan refused to turn over Bin Laden, the U.S. and UN coalition forces invaded. The Taliban government was ousted and many terrorist camps in Afghanistan were destroyed. U.S. and NATO troops remain in Afghanistan to support its fragile new government.

Iraq War (2003-2010) The U.S. and Great Britain invaded and toppled the government of dictator Saddam Hussein. Troops remain in Iraq to combat the insurgency that formed after Hussein’s defeat

War Against the Islamic State (ISIS) (2014—) The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), also called Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), has terrorized large swaths of Iraq and Syria in its drive to establish an Islamic state in the Middle East ruled by strict shariah law. The militant group is made up of fundamentalist Sunni Muslims and foreign jihadists. In September 2014, President Barack Obama authorized airstrikes against ISIS in Syria. He was clear that he does not plan to deploy ground troops in the fight against ISIS……

……anymore questions? Time for you to study up on some history.


34 posted on 01/02/2024 12:24:55 PM PST by delta7
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To: delta7

we were dealing with violent dangerous forces before they could cause more problems and result in bigger wars. There is not one case that you showed that is where we tried to expand borders or force our ways onto a peaceful regime.

Apparently, you think we should allow drug smugglers, terrorists and thugs to do harm to innocent people. The article showed the reason for our interventions, and they were not “war mongering”. So, get a life! Why don’t you study up on history?


35 posted on 01/02/2024 1:03:41 PM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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