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Putin says he is ready to end war as fighting with Ukraine is 'tragedy'
Express Newspapers ^ | Wed, Nov 22, 2023 | CHARLIE BRADLEY

Posted on 11/22/2023 6:58:37 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

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To: Long Jon No Silver
A very good set of books on this topic is by the historian Andrzej Nowak --

Unfortunately these aren't translated into English yet.

101 posted on 11/24/2023 6:43:31 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: ransomnote

If Zelenskyy tries a ceasefire, he would be ousted by the Ukrainian people.

Ukrainians know that if they give Putin a ceasefire, it is only a few years of peace while Putin re-arms and then returns - he did that between 2014 and 2022.

Putin needs to surrender, but he won’t


102 posted on 11/24/2023 6:44:47 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
RWM Ukraine's throat regarding their Donbass offensive.

There was no Ukrainian Donbass offensive pre Putin's invasion of Feb 2022

What are you on about?

103 posted on 11/24/2023 6:50:40 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Atomic Vomit

While I don’t share the same optimism as Megan, I would point out that Putin has “lost” by his own terms in November 2021 to Feb 2022.

he wanted a “demilitarized Ukraine”, a “neutral Ukraine”.

That is not going to happen - he has on the contrary really boosted Ukraine’s identity. They see that they have to fight to survive as an entity distinct from Muscowy


104 posted on 11/24/2023 6:52:28 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: McGruff
Yellow areas are areas that Putin's Muscowite army was pushed out of -- losing to a much weaker foe (Ukraine)

Putin has been on a losing streak

Just as the Nazi Germans were the invaders of Ukraine in 1941 and were pushed out, in Feb 2022 the Nazi Muscowites were the invaders and have been partially pushed out.

105 posted on 11/24/2023 6:55:10 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos

Polish. Now there’s an alphabet soup


106 posted on 11/24/2023 12:23:28 PM PST by Long Jon No Silver (Rrily)
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To: Cronos
There was no Ukrainian Donbass offensive pre Putin's invasion of Feb 2022 What are you on about?

What are you talking about? For 18-20 February 2022 alone, OSCE reported 2,158 ceasefire violations in Donetsk, including 1,100 explosions.

https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512683

107 posted on 11/24/2023 2:19:35 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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