Posted on 11/05/2023 6:31:48 AM PST by Twotone
Fort Sumter wasn’t the opening shot - the punking of the Southern states for revenue over too long a time was. For at least twenty years prior the Southern states’ representatives sought balance and redress only to be belittled and shouted down. When they would not be silenced it WAS the Northern states pushing slavery as bribe to maintain the status quo - so they had no moral high horse on that issue.
The melting down of this monument to one of America’s greatest and noblest warriors (whom they are unfit to shine his boots) illustrates the depths of ignorance these modern savages revel in while embarrassing our nation with their Soviet style attempts to rewrite history.
He choose to defend a treasonous cause bent on maintaining an economic system based on the use of slave labor. He and Davis should have read the hand writing on the wall after the defeat of Lee's army at Gettysburg and realized the war was lost but instead, largely at Davis's insistence they continued the war for two more years adding to the suffering of all Southerners and it's eventual ruination.
Hero my foot. If it weren't in the interest of political expediency and the fact that Lincoln didn't want to stir any more Southern sympathy for the remnant Confederacy both Lee and Davis would have been hung.
Lincoln wanted to end slavery as early as November 1861.
He was an abolitionist. He didn't declare war on the Confederacy until Confederate shore batteries in Charleston Harbor opened fire of Ft. Sumter while Lincoln was attempting the legitimate resupply of a federal installation. He he didn't not specifically list the abolition of slavery as the sole response to Southern aggression but he had every intention of doing so when he felt he had achieved a battlefield victory that would give him the power to do so. You Lost Causers. You call yourselves conservatives on a conservative web site and yet you genuflect reflexively at the alter of the (Democrat created) Confederacy.
I still say he was an honorable man given the situation at the time. And your comment about his deserving hanging misses the point of the article. There has to be forgiveness (& forgetting) at the end of such events. The left is stoking hatred that will only drive us to the same situation: a civil war. And then what are the choices we’ll each be making & what forgiveness will we require when it’s over?
The man was a traitor who prosecuted the costliest, and frankly most disastrous war in our nations history, the reverberations are still being felt today. With all due respect and civility spare me the rhetorical gymnastics. The South fought the war not only to preserve slavery but expand it into the western territories and it lost the gambit.
Yes, there’s lots of sad history. Here in the US & elsewhere. And many good people end up doing evil things. Regardless, you miss the point of the article.
Lincoln cared about the Union. Not about blacks.
He had a low opinion that blacks would be able to integrate into American society, so he made plans to ship the freed slaves to Haiti or Liberia.
https://www.history.com/news/abraham-lincoln-black-resettlement-haiti
He did. With their consent and with the consent of of the authorities of the countries they came from.
You can pull this debate into the weeds as you Lost Causers love to do.
But it doesn’t change history.
The South seceded to preserve slavery and fought a war to do just that and lost.
deal with that and not a lot of moral relativism and pettifogging.
It was not about Robert E. Lee. If you’re not going to read the article, why would you comment?
Those are what I'm responding to.
Just think after all this mayhem, when trump gets in office what can we expect then
But it wasn’t what the article was about. People end up in fruitless debates over trivialities & miss the main point. People do it all the time. Even here where I expect more thoughtful comments.
Lee did nothing of the sort. He served the Confederacy out of loyalty to the South, but he wasn’t involved in the secession movement.
No you are not addressing the melting down of Robert E. Lee’s statue that was supposed to be protected from destruction by original governmental agreements signed and certified and now illegally destroyed under those previous legal agreements. And you crow, being an anti-South ass hat, that Lee’s monument being destroyed is a good thing when I wager you couldn’t justify your very existence compared to me and the legion of veterans on this site. Respond.
I have Southern in laws. I'm anti-Confederacy.
And if all you have is ad hominems, there's no point in arguing with you. I'll wouldn't compare myself to a bunch of Democrats who masquerade as conservatives on a conservative web site. I consider myself a conservative. A Republican who has an ancestor who served as the Chief Medical Steward in The Surgeon Generals Office during The Civil War. His name was William grace. He wrote The Army's Surgeons Manual. I'm not a Southerner. I'm an American. What are you?
I’m an American whose folks came over from Scotland circa 1880’s so have no guilt on this issue - but wouldn’t accept any otherwise as the whole issue of transferred guilt and paying people money for my non-involvement because my skin happens to be light. Do you see the ridiculousness of their argument yet?
My people came here from Ireland in the early 1850's and were working class Catholics, stone masons and bricklayers on one side of the family tree and the other were more fortunate in they were far more literate. None of this has anything to do with the Confederacy and how a man like Robert E. Lee aided and abetted it.
All should leave.
Or at the very least be re-educated to the truth and reality.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.