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David's Tent ^ | 10-19-2023 | Avner Boskey

Posted on 10/20/2023 9:31:15 AM PDT by HKMk23

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To: HKMk23

It’s simple if Israel finds the conditions for additional aid onerous they have the option of refusing it and do whatever they think is in their own interests. Whining about attached conditions to that aid seems rather arrogant. The US has global interests and all the the global south considers it a war crime to prevent food and water from reaching civilians. US has interests/relationships in the global south that could be jeopardized if we were seen as supporting a country violating the Geneva convention.


21 posted on 10/20/2023 10:12:09 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: Flavious_Maximus

“It is NOT the US agenda. It is the Obama/Biden agenda.”

The agenda predates Obama.

Friday, September 26, 2008
The United States, as a Member of The Quartet, issued a formal statement via The State Department reaffirming the US commitment to a Two-state Solution in Israel.

“The Quartet underlined its commitment to the irreversibility of the negotiations; to the creation of an independent, democratic and viable Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza...”

Not incidentally, “West Bank” is left-speak for “Samaria and Judea.”

https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2008/sept/110375.htm

The Bamster wasn’t even President-Elect at that point.

OBTW
Monday, September 29, 2008
The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 777.7 points.

Manifestly SOMEONE was GREATLY displeased with US Foreign Policy.

“The land must not be sold without reclaim because the land belongs to me, for you are foreign residents, temporary settlers, with me.”
— Leviticus 25:23 NET

“You must not encroach on your neighbor’s property, which will have been defined in the inheritance you will obtain in the land the Lord your God is giving you.”
— Deuteronomy 19:14

“The Levites will call out to every Israelite with a loud voice:
‘Cursed is the one who makes a carved or metal image — something abhorrent to the Lord, the work of the craftsman — and sets it up in a secret place.’ Then all the people will say, ‘Amen!’
‘Cursed is the one who disrespects his father and mother.’ Then all the people will say, ‘Amen!’
‘Cursed is the one who moves his neighbor’s boundary marker.’ Then all the people will say, ‘Amen!’...”
— Deuteronomy 27:14-17

To emphasize the magnitude of the offense, this latter passage continues, including the moving of a boundary stone with incest, bestiality, contractual homicide, and other sexual deviancy.

NOBODY ought to glibly pop off with suggestions that Israel yield land; not for ANY reason.


22 posted on 10/20/2023 10:21:52 AM PDT by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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To: Liz

I listened to the complete podcast by Caroline Glick, none of it sounded like whining. She said the 7-hour meeting with the war cabinet and with Tony Blinken was a disgrace, with Blinken arm-twisting the Israelis whose nation is sovereign into not commencing their incursion until after “humanitarian” aid had been delivered to Gazan civilians and these have been relocated.

What this means is the Hamas terrorists get to leave before the bombing and attack by Israel begins. It is an existential falsehood that there exists such people as Gazans who do not support Hamas. They all do.

Also, it was declared by Blinken that the administration would not provide Israelis the bunker-buster bombs needed to neutralize Hamad underground tunnels and storage areas in Gaza, unless it agreed to not use the bombs to take out Hamas rocket launchers, because those launchers are located near or at or within Gaza schools and hospitals.

If Israel continues to see this severely compromised third-term Obama administration as an ally, it is seriously out to lunch.


23 posted on 10/20/2023 10:31:34 AM PDT by 4Runner
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To: jimwatx

The US should not be two-faced, and double-tongued about this.
THAT’S the bottom line.
If we’re gonna be supportive, we ought to BE WHOLLY SUPPORTIVE.

Except we CAN’T.

The US has continually engaged in a pattern of Foreign Policy posturing to ingratiate ourselves to everyone, and this has put us into a box we built by our own hands from which place we have confined ourselves within the bounds of a conflicting array of statements to the effect that we cannot, now, wholly commit to ANYONE.

In the vernacular, we’ve f’ked ourselves in our own a$$.

So don’t go laying blame on Israel over the fallout of our own internally dissonant web of policy commits. They’re merely acknowledging the deleterious impact to them of our own self-made idiocy.


24 posted on 10/20/2023 10:31:51 AM PDT by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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To: Liz

“Since 1973, Israel has received more than $120 billion US tax
dollars in military assistance...”

Chicken feed!

Compare that $120B over 50 YEARS to the $78B Biden whacked off for Ukraine in 2022; during which year Israel got a whopping $3.8B.

“Biden told Netanyahu he would offer support and he expected Israel to prioritize protection of civilians and humanitarian concerns.”

Under which guise Biden essentially told Netanyahu to permit Hamas to escape unharmed


25 posted on 10/20/2023 10:39:25 AM PDT by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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To: 4Runner

If Israel continues to see this severely compromised third-term
Obama administration as an “ally,” it is seriously out to lunch.


Israel knows the lay of the land better than you or I.
They have to suckup to Biden......he doles out the foreign aid money.


26 posted on 10/20/2023 10:39:38 AM PDT by Liz (“The only time Biden gets his hands dirty is when he’s taking cash from foreign countries." Trump)
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To: jimwatx

Nice take.


27 posted on 10/20/2023 10:46:17 AM PDT by Liz (“The only time Biden gets his hands dirty is when he’s taking cash from foreign countries." Trump)
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To: jimwatx

Nice take.


28 posted on 10/20/2023 10:46:22 AM PDT by Liz (“The only time Biden gets his hands dirty is when he’s taking cash from foreign countries." Trump)
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To: HKMk23
One thing I observed: the initial democrat reaction to the war was to hang in solidarity with Hamas until the backlash cane in hard. Since then Biden has been dragged into giving lip service to Israel all the while trying to shift the narrative back to Ukraine, even going to far as to say he'd deny aid to Israel unless it was tied to more money tossed in the bottomless money-pit of Ukraine, all while saying he supports Israel.

So in that context, I think if I were Israel I'd strongly consider calling Biden's bluff to cut defense aid to Israel at this time.

29 posted on 10/20/2023 10:50:00 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie ("We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. F. B. I. is tending in that direction." - Harry S Truman)
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To: Liz
Backstory: Since 1973, Israel has received more than $120 billion US tax dollars in military assistance, including “three special aid” packages.

Wow, $120B over 50 years. How much has Ukraine gotten since last year?

30 posted on 10/20/2023 10:51:37 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie ("We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. F. B. I. is tending in that direction." - Harry S Truman)
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To: Sirius Lee

Don’t know the musical reference but would appreciate the name of the song please.

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Highway 61 Revisited

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4iurkjhIgo


31 posted on 10/20/2023 10:53:13 AM PDT by dagunk
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To: pepsi_junkie

Israel should do whatever they want, if the US won’t supply arms, ask Russia, China or Saudi Arabia. IMO, the thing to do with the residents of Gaza is to kill them all, let Allah sort them out. It is what Yehovah wanted them to do during the return from captivity, but the Hebrews were always rebellious. That is why they had to have the UN let the Jews come home. That means the UN is God?


32 posted on 10/20/2023 10:54:29 AM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: pepsi_junkie

The figure quoted is military assistance only. Does not include other foreign aid outlays to them including development aid, humanitarian aid, economic aid, etc etc etc.

The Israel Foreign Ministry reports that as of 2020, Israel has financed humanitarian aid to over 140 countries or territories, including states with no diplomatic relations with Israel.


The new Biden request is focused on providing military aid: $10.6 billion to provide Israel air and missile defense support, while also replenishing Defense Department military stocks provided to Israel, as well as $3.7 billion to be provided to Israel through the US State Department.


33 posted on 10/20/2023 11:05:19 AM PDT by Liz (“The only time Biden gets his hands dirty is when he’s taking cash from foreign countries." Trump)
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A Third of the “Humanitarian Aid” for Ukraine’s Military has ‘Disappeared’
Kiev Post ^ | 10/20/23 | Kiev Post
Posted on 10/20/2023, 10:58:32 AM by JonPreston

Around a third of the humanitarian aid intended for the armed forces did not reach the 200 or so military units for which it was intended after clearing customs, the State Customs Service of Ukraine has said.

“During 9 months of 2023, as a result of the joint measures of the Department for Combating Smuggling and Customs Violations of the State Customs Service and the Department of Internal Audit of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, more than 9,000 instances of the movement of humanitarian aid goods intended for 200 military units were checked,” the agency said. In doing so they established more than 3,000 cases of where its receipt by military units had not been confirmed.

Customs also reported that they had sent 387 reports that indicated possible criminal actions the Criminal Code of Ukraine [regarding illegal use of humanitarian aid for profit - ed.] (Excerpt) Read more at kyivpost.com ...


34 posted on 10/20/2023 11:08:11 AM PDT by Liz (“The only time Biden gets his hands dirty is when he’s taking cash from foreign countries." Trump)
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To: jimwatx

One other observation:
NO MATTER WHAT, media will ensure that the US will be seen as supporting a country that is violating the Geneva Convention.

THAT accusation is rampant “out in the wild” and is so ludicrously predicated that ZERO fear of it ought to at all impact our policy moves.


35 posted on 10/20/2023 11:21:09 AM PDT by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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To: Liz
$10.6 billion to provide Israel air and missile defense support, while also replenishing Defense Department military stocks provided to Israel, as well as $3.7 billion to be provided to Israel through the US State Department.

Peanuts compared to what Ukraine gets every couple of months.

36 posted on 10/20/2023 11:21:52 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie ("We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. F. B. I. is tending in that direction." - Harry S Truman)
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To: HKMk23
NO MATTER WHAT, media will ensure that the US will be seen as supporting a country that is violating the Geneva Convention.


37 posted on 10/20/2023 11:23:19 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SunkenCiv
The 200+ Israeli hostages (including babies, children, rape victims and soldiers) were to be left as prisoners in Hamas’ jails and torture chambers. It is well understood in Israel and in the U.S.A. that Hamas controls all incoming humanitarian aid, syphoning off the cream of that aid for its leadership and fighters. Cement and iron piping will be used to rebuild tunnels and rockets – and not houses, hospitals and schools. Biden’s heavy-handed demands reveal America’s strategic goal to prolong enemy rule over Gaza.

I used to think democrats were stupid. Now I wonder who's getting their hand greased....

38 posted on 10/20/2023 12:37:12 PM PDT by GOPJ
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