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Seymour Hersh Claims Ukraine ‘War Effort’ Is ‘All Lies’: ‘The War Is Over – Russia Has Won’
Slay News ^ | September 23rd, 2023 | Frank Bergman

Posted on 09/24/2023 9:26:17 AM PDT by Mariner

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To: albie

Same here. And I still shave with it.


41 posted on 09/24/2023 10:29:33 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And the World At Large must never know the dirt done to them by Biden’s Bio Labs.


42 posted on 09/24/2023 10:30:11 AM PDT by sport
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To: ConservativeInPA
I refuse to be fooled twice. The WMD argument for the war in Iraq was the last straw. We lose every forever war because we have clueless, liars leading.

They are so clueless they fight wars where there is no possibility of winning because there is no idea what winning would look like. It's like dropping nukes in a desert. You make a crater which pales in size to the the craters and mountains God littered the landscape with. The desert will survive and barely remember the insult you attempted to deliver.

43 posted on 09/24/2023 10:38:09 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Mariner
Is there a lack of war corespondents in this war or is media not reporting what they find?

44 posted on 09/24/2023 10:39:09 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty)
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To: Freest Republican

Just stop. The ruble was .013/USD before the incursion, its at 0.11 now. Sanctions backfired and Russia is thriving. Russia just displaced Germany as the largest GDP in Europe and is now the 5th largest in the world. Meanwhile, Russians pay half what we do at the pumps, and Western Europe is degrading into a 3rd world hellhole.

Sad


45 posted on 09/24/2023 10:41:31 AM PDT by CapandBall
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To: Thilly Thailor

I don’t actually think Ukraine can join NATO.

I doubt Russia ,would ever agree to that.

Then again I am nowhere near Ukraine and don’t have any experience there, but I don’t think that will work.

At all.


46 posted on 09/24/2023 10:53:01 AM PDT by cba123 (Tôi là người Mỹ. Hiện tôi đang ở Việt Nam)
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To: Mariner

Maybe ‘the people’ could fund a news source that tells the truth and isn’t depended on some corrupt government or anther corrupt government.

There must be one or two real reporters left in the country...


47 posted on 09/24/2023 10:53:25 AM PDT by GOPJ (President Trump: ‘How much of a kickback does Crooked Joe Biden get?’ (ransom payment Iran))
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To: BusterDog

It was/is a money grabbing and laundering operation.


48 posted on 09/24/2023 10:54:50 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: cba123

Russia doesn’t decide NATO membership, NATO is a defensive military alliance formed to protect itself from Russia.


49 posted on 09/24/2023 10:59:25 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Mariner

“This pleasurable read should be taken with a grain of salt until we have another source.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I would use a cargo of salt when its comes to what journalist Seymour Hersh says.

He was the one who insisted that the USA blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. That has been totally debunked by everyone now. Not even Russia believes that anymore.


50 posted on 09/24/2023 11:04:43 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: BitWielder1

“Is there a lack of war corespondents in this war or is media not reporting what they find?”

It’s BOTH of those things and the fact nobody in the west gives any credence to Russian journalists. And in many cases with good reason...like Ukrainian journalists they report what they’re told.

And neither side will allow independent journalists on the front lines, with the occasional exception for Ukraine who wants to highlight some supposed Russian atrocity.

We know less about the situation on the ground than any war in the last 100 years.

The only thing we know for sure is that the propaganda is so thick you can cut it with a knife.


51 posted on 09/24/2023 11:08:48 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ansel12

Russia owns Ukraine, basically.

I believe if we (America) push Russia too hard, they will push back.

Just my opinion.

I don’t know, am not there, and have no inside information. But I think both sides should climb down.


52 posted on 09/24/2023 11:09:24 AM PDT by cba123 (Tôi là người Mỹ. Hiện tôi đang ở Việt Nam)
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To: cba123
All I can say is nobody will like it. I think if we view the war objectively Russia already lost in that neutral Sweden and Finland joined NATO, a thing I never imagined would happen. The Russians succeeded in scaring the crap out of everybody so NATO wound up flanking them from the northwest. I see no way Russia can hope to win more than it already has. The price they'll pay for that land bridge to Crimea is now being flanked by NATO from the southwest.

Northeast and southwest. Man, Putin screwed up.

If Russia doesn't make peace soon they'll fine that NATO member Turkiye has taken control of the entire South Caucus out to the Caspian Sea, where they'll begin anti-Russian agitation with all the Turkic speaking peoples of Central Asia. In short, NATO will flank them from the South.

And if that happens then be sure that China will pile on, taking at least Mongolia and maybe even Vladivostok

And all this while proving to the world that the Russian military isn't the world class machine it had been assumed to be.

Talk about epic screw-ups. Putin stepped in it big time. If Putin doesn't get it then somebody in the Kremlin will have to cut losses quick, lest Russia face huge territorial losses from the Caucus to the Pacific.

IMHO, of course.

53 posted on 09/24/2023 11:15:06 AM PDT by Thilly Thailor
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To: cba123

No, Russia doesn’t own the nation of Ukraine.

Trump administration rolls out new sanctions over Russian occupation of Crimea
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/480541-trump-administration-rolls-out-new-sanctions-over-russian-occupation/


54 posted on 09/24/2023 11:17:49 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: marcusmaximus

Was that a false report, or just one you didn’t agree with the politics thereof?


55 posted on 09/24/2023 11:22:07 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Obadiah
Functionally, there really is no Ukraine left outside of some ex-pat cheerleaders.

Ukraine is still there with the biolabs and corrupt banking system. Zelinsky is still there blackmailing Biden for billions to keep silent about the millions in kickbacks to the Biden family. And Biden keeps pretending he's demented so he won't go to prison for all his corruption.

56 posted on 09/24/2023 11:27:46 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Thilly Thailor

“Russia keeps the land bridge and Ukraine joins NATO”

Russia will continue to fight existential war to prevent NATO in rump Ukraine.


57 posted on 09/24/2023 11:28:39 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: marcusmaximus

Looks like the new recruits for Ukraine I guess they are down to that now after losing the rest on the battlefield.


58 posted on 09/24/2023 11:28:42 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: USA-FRANCE

“He was the one who insisted that the USA blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. That has been totally debunked by everyone now. Not even Russia believes that anymore.”

That’s not true. Not debunked.

Why would you say that? Because the White House denied it?


59 posted on 09/24/2023 11:32:08 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ansel12

The Russians, have a very big vote on this issue.

And please remember, they have even more nukes, than we do. And they are also more directly threatened by things in Ukraine, than us.

This is a very dangerous move, it seems to me.

We need to use a LOT of care, on this now.

I know, I don’t know.

But this makes me, very, very uncomfortable.


60 posted on 09/24/2023 11:32:55 AM PDT by cba123 (Tôi là người Mỹ. Hiện tôi đang ở Việt Nam)
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