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Ukraine’s victory is closer than ever – but a shattered Russia is nothing to celebrate
The Telegraph via Yahoo ^ | September 3rd, 2023 | Daniel Johnson

Posted on 09/03/2023 8:37:04 AM PDT by Mariner

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To: Mariner

The Russian pendulum swung from Tsars to kommisaars to authoritarian KGB Putin to whatever will ne on Putin’s death, with a possible white/red feud.

Tto save face, Putin will do something stupid.


41 posted on 09/03/2023 9:43:55 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Mariner

“a shattered Russia is nothing to celebrate”

if you believe that then you must stop putin/russia NOW!

otherwise you will get a shattered russia


42 posted on 09/03/2023 9:44:20 AM PDT by Sunsong
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To: dfwgator
The Nazis staged a radio broadcast, around Christmas where allegedly soldiers from all of the places the Nazis were fighting would give a brief message

Turned out it was from a studio in Berlin.

There was a film about this...the Allies bombed the radio station just before the big announcement

Lot of bomber crews lost

Hitler blows a gasket.

43 posted on 09/03/2023 9:46:14 AM PDT by spokeshave (Proud Boys, Angry Dads. Grumpy Grandads & Curmudgeons)
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To: dforest

Ukrainians are not losing. They have pushed the Russian military back to a defensive position. Putin probably hopes that they can hang on so he can salvage something from his idiotic war.


44 posted on 09/03/2023 9:47:02 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: ransomnote

“ Many of us want the war to stop before the last of the Ukrainian men are shoved into the meat grinder.”

Such a noble statement. Yet, non of you describe what a Uke surrender looks like. Does Russia continue to rape the women, and pillage the toilets? Does Russia take ALL of the children and relocate them to some Russian village a thousand miles away? Does Russia steal all of the gas, wheat, and minerals from Ukraine and leave the ground desolate?

Please, describe what your “peace” looks like. The world has seen Russian “peace” in Eastern Europe, North Korea, and Chechnya. I am pretty sure no one wants that kind of “peace.”


45 posted on 09/03/2023 9:48:11 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: JonPreston

Fake pacifist.


46 posted on 09/03/2023 9:51:18 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: dforest

Losing is tough, particularly for those that tune-in the ‘Nightly News’ to see ‘what’s going on’, and think Ukraine is winning - just to find out the opposite when they click on some unbiased links often posted here, such as The Duran, or Dima.

I would certainly hate to be in those shoes. Imagine all of the otherwise-innocent people in the eastern part of Germany realizing that the Soviets are at their doorstep and they a few things they plan to ‘settle’ with Germans. No doubt that the Nazi (think Western Media) propaganda had them convinced that they were about to celebrate victory...only to realize that TOTAL HELL awaited them.

So, yes, I feel bad for those who bought into the propaganda, although that’s rarely the case here as we have people on all sides of the war, and so it’s easy to find the truth through the propaganda, and those still claiming that Ukraine is 10 Klicks* from Moscow FULLY understand the truth of the situation.

*a little military lingo, for those who haven’t served.


47 posted on 09/03/2023 9:52:22 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: Mariner

There is no moral argument that can be made for a Putin victory.


48 posted on 09/03/2023 9:53:44 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: Mariner

The moron that wrote this makes Baghdad Bob seem rational.


49 posted on 09/03/2023 9:55:22 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Wdempsey

“Russia is Christian nation.”

LOLOL

nothing *Christian* about russia under the evil putin

you must be awfully gullible

“By their fruits ye shall know them”


50 posted on 09/03/2023 9:56:02 AM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Terry L Smith

“To save face, Putin will do something stupid.”

Based on what. All of the STUPIDITY that I see is from the West, blowing up Russian pipelines and bridges, for starters. Any Soviet leader would have already ‘liquidated’ the problem...Putin is willing to rough it out, for now.


51 posted on 09/03/2023 10:00:27 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: PIF

A shattered Russia would be great. The world has had enough of their imperialism and invasions. The imperialism of the stupid vodka swillers. No one wants tive under the Russian boot. Every nation neighboring Russia hates them, and their aggressive talk and aggressive policies.

The lands of Russia should just pump out the oil and gas and sell it to the world. They got a good thing going


52 posted on 09/03/2023 10:07:16 AM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to incompetence & stupidity, that which is adequately explained by malice)
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To: JonPreston
Joker, buffoon, clown and fake pacifist Preston


53 posted on 09/03/2023 10:11:57 AM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to incompetence & stupidity, that which is adequately explained by malice)
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To: Mariner

WW3 just around the corner.


54 posted on 09/03/2023 10:16:24 AM PDT by tennmountainman (FUJB)
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To: popdonnelly

“There is no moral argument that can be made for a Putin victory.”

I agree that there are people to whom everything is a moral issue.

I’m not one of them.


55 posted on 09/03/2023 10:21:39 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Vermont Lt

 

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Ukraine’s victory is closer than ever – but a shattered Russia is nothing to celebrate, Vermont Lt wrote:

“ Many of us want the war to stop before the last of the Ukrainian men are shoved into the meat grinder.”

Such a noble statement. Yet, non of you describe what a Uke surrender looks like. Does Russia continue to rape the women, and pillage the toilets? Does Russia take ALL of the children and relocate them to some Russian village a thousand miles away? Does Russia steal all of the gas, wheat, and minerals from Ukraine and leave the ground desolate?

Please, describe what your “peace” looks like. The world has seen Russian “peace” in Eastern Europe, North Korea, and Chechnya. I am pretty sure no one wants that kind of “peace.”

I know there's long term propaganda out there which says that Russia loitered around various towns and cities in the Ukraine to rape rape rape rape. It's as if there wasn't a war going on. On the one hand the propaganda warns that Putin will take over the war, on the other it seems he's slow walking that agenda by having soldiers stay in various villages to rape rape rape rape. Oddly enough, there is an image on some of the Ukrainian war threads which features a woman admitting she posts fake accusations of Russian war crimes online.

Colonel Douglas Macgregor has said for months that the Russians treat the Ukrainians well because they are fellow Christian slavs with whom Putin wants good relations. Raping/stealing children etc. would not reach those objectives. Macgregor also made the point, in his interview with Tucker Carlson, that surrendering Ukrainian soldiers know they will be well treated by Russians and can be traded later in exchange for Russian prisoners. I've seen a video of Russians interviewing a captured Ukrainian and  was exhausted but not in fear of death or torture. I've also seen Ukrainian footage, filmed by Ukrainian soldiers and never denied by Ukrainian officals, of Russian soldiers told to lie face down on the ground and executed with a bullet to the back of the head.

Everything the supporters of the Ukrainian war says tends to be opposite reality.

Neither side of this war is populated by saints, both sides have good and bad people but Russia has an objective of good relations with fellow slavs and the Ukrainians have been bombing their citizens of Russian descent. Even on FR some Ukrainian proponents say that all Russians are pigs and should be shot etc.The toxic element in the Ukraine is the lasting cultural threads of the neo Nazis, who have been integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard. The neo Nazi fiendishness is the most likely reason many innocent people of the Ukraine fleeing to neighboring countries as refugees never want to return. With this proxy war, there will be little left for any Ukrainians to return to, and the males who don't flee are likely to die in the meet grinder.

So the public has been lied to for years and the truth is emerging.

Archbishop Vigano is on record stating all of the aid organizations working to help Ukrainians decry the monstrous child trafficking and butchery in the Ukraine - the children might indeed be safer thousands of miles away.

These are just some of the reasons a Russian victory is far superior to a Ukrainian victory.


56 posted on 09/03/2023 10:24:38 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Mariner

That is your own story. The article does not imply or infer what you wrote.


57 posted on 09/03/2023 10:25:57 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: dforest

Ukraine won back in March 2022 when they won the battle of Hostomel and of Kyiv.

Since then it is a long Russian retreat.

Putin has failed in all of his aims. But he won’t end it as the moment that happens he dies.


58 posted on 09/03/2023 10:27:29 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: John S Mosby

Many times in history?

Twice, the first time in 1610 and second is 1919.


59 posted on 09/03/2023 10:29:28 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Wdempsey

Ukraine is as religious as Russia.

Bit are eastern Orthodox Christians.


60 posted on 09/03/2023 10:30:03 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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