Guess where California plans to get energy to 'stabilize' its power grid?

Hotair ^ | 08/10/2023 | Ed Morrissey

[Sirius Lee]

There are several people here pushing EVs on to the rest of us.

Redistributionists. Electricity to each according to his need.

[xp38]

Something else. This bidirectionally thing only works if you plug in the EV to charge. If you unplug the EV ain’t no reverse flow happening. Of course the trick is to know when that is occurring.

[gibsonguy]

Well you are to be commended for doing what’s needed to take of you and yours. You are among 10% at most. You would be on the right side of the door of the fallout shelter when the others are pouring on it to be let in while the bombs are falling

[Zathras]

This would work if power delivery went both ways.
It would have to be designed into the charging units.
I don’t think Tesla would be dumb enough to do this on theirs but for sure the ones getting Fed Funds.
The home chargers would be the best bet to investigate as these would make the most sense.

[Tell It Right]

This would work if power delivery went both ways. It would have to be designed into the charging units.
Absolutely correct. Some of the newer EVs have a VTL (vehicle-to-load) with a 120V outlet to use for camping and such. But most can't power more than that from the battery. (An exception is the Ford F-150 Lightning. It'll allow bidirectional flow from the charge port. But of course, it's also outfitted anyway to act like a portable generator with it's many outlets in the bed for work projects.

I don’t think Tesla would be dumb enough to do this on theirs but for sure the ones getting Fed Funds.
Don't get me started on the kickback Tesla gets. Most especially in the carbon tax oil refineries pay (which is passed on to gasoline customers at the pump, I read it's about 75 cents per gallon) either to the government or to Tesla (if Tesla sells them carbon credits at a cheaper rate). The selling of carbon credits is one of Tesla's main profit sources, and the government mandates it.

The home chargers would be the best bet to investigate as these would make the most sense.
Agreed. And a lot of us conservatives who have EV's and solar to give us some energy independence have chargers that aren't networked. My Level 2 charger at home isn't hard-wired. It plugs into a simple 240V NEMA 14-50 outlet (dryer outlet) I installed for the EV. See comment # 54 for details of how conservatives use solar and an EV to give us more control over our energy needs. In other words, neither my EV nor my charger nor the circuit that powers it are bi-directional.

[Vaduz]

Shifting power to the vehicles, and then pulling it back when the state decides to apply it elsewhere.

What a hooker does when you fall asleep.

[Zathras]

I go back and forth on Elon.
Yea he got lots of funding from the gov but unlike many of them, he seems to be doing the right things.
He is now the world leader in EV and in Space.
He also seems to know more what is really going on in the world than the USA Congress.
Again, I go back and forth on him and definitely see your point.

[Tell It Right]

Sucking the solar-powered houses next I am ssure

Rumor has it that PG&E every now and then tweaks the sine wave of the power on the grid to put inverters in California in protective mode for a few minutes to keep them from putting power onto the grid. (And thus, reduce how much PG&E pays them for power, since California until recently had net metering and still does for solar customers still on old contracts.)

[ShadowAce]

those who now see us us as heavy luggage, fat consumers, resource rapist and polluters...

That's not how they see us.

They see us as slaves. They do all this in order to make us see us as slaves, so we won't fight them anymore.

[ShadowAce]

Who is going to pay you for the electricity? The power company, of course.

Also, since your charging outlet will have special equipment on it to sell the power back, they'll know which outlet you are using to charge your car.

Boom! You are now paying $20 to charge your car, and they'll pay you $10 for grabbing your power.

It's a lose-lose all the way around.

[markman46]

I am sure PG&E does that, plus edison and SDG&E too.

i’d love to have solar on my mobile home, but no solar company will put it in for me, told me the house must be on a foundation.

[Tell It Right]

I’d rather have solar on the ground so that it’s easier to clean twice per year. But I have no place like that that’s not shaded. So my solar panels are on my roof (standard home).

[M Kehoe]

Begin...

Flew in from Miami Beach, B.O.A.C
Didn’t get to bed last night
On the way, the paper bag was on my knee
Man, I had a dreadful flight

[Chorus]
I’m back in the U.S.S.R.​
You don’t know how lucky you are, boy
Back in the U.S.S.R.​

This mieda is now totally out of hand.

Bloat.

5.56mm

[N. Theknow]

Willie Green has gone from trains to EV’s.

[Svartalfiar]

Imagine if your EV can buy $10 of cheap electricity over night, and sell it for $20 once you get home each evening.

It makes having a battery pack in your garage very profitable.

Or, imagine if you pay $10 to charge your vehicle, then you get a $5 credit to charge the grid in the evening, and then pay $10 to recharge your car again that night. Maybe you can make it up in volume?