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Guess where California plans to get energy to 'stabilize' its power grid?
Hotair ^ | 08/10/2023 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 08/10/2023 6:32:43 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Political Junkie Too

“And then PG&E will turn your “smart” thermostat up to 78 while you sweat it out”

They’d have to set mine down one degree.


41 posted on 08/10/2023 9:03:44 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: kvanbrunt2

“To get DC batteries into an AC grid the alternating current has to be synchronized.”

The new home chargers will incorporate the 60 hz conversion. Similar to solar panel inverters.


42 posted on 08/10/2023 9:06:47 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: SeekAndFind

Biden wants all Federal cars, vans and trucks to be electric, so when that happens, the grid can suck power off THEIR EVs.


43 posted on 08/10/2023 9:12:58 PM PDT by KittyKares
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To: SeekAndFind

Bahahahahahah

They can suck on the tailpipes of my hot rods

Bahahahaha


44 posted on 08/10/2023 9:44:52 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is one nuclear power plant the democrats had tried to close starting next year but were forced to keep open. That plant provides 9% of the states electric power!!! and the democrats still want to close it down!!

The cost is .06 cents a kw!! Yet the power company under the direction of the democrats charge .20 to .30 cents a kw.

Why keep it open? Gov Newsom does not want rolling blackouts while he runs for president. That’s why!
Afterwards he does not care if you sit in the dark with no power.


45 posted on 08/10/2023 11:55:35 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: SeekAndFind

No pickup truck should cost what they do now.
$20,000 tops. All the trucks are huge, no midsize ones.


46 posted on 08/11/2023 12:25:39 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: SeekAndFind

All your juice berong to us.


47 posted on 08/11/2023 1:20:36 AM PDT by SC DOC (A)
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To: fhayek

Isn’t CA’s residential solar requirement also bidirectional...?


48 posted on 08/11/2023 1:25:21 AM PDT by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: mewzilla

Yup...

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/sunrun-others-adapt-as-californias-new-net-metering-rules-spur-booming-in/648022/

“...California’s recent transition to a new framework to compensate customers who generate their own energy and export a portion of it back to the grid is leading to a flurry of interest in battery storage and is expected to significantly increase the number of batteries that are attached to solar systems over the next few years, industry experts say...”

What could go wrong.


49 posted on 08/11/2023 1:27:28 AM PDT by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: Renfrew

>Imagine if your EV can buy $10 of cheap electricity over night, and sell it for $20 once you get home each evening.

It makes having a battery pack in your garage very profitable.<

Who is going to pay you for the electricity? The power company, of course. Where is the power company going to get the money? By raising rates, of course.

You are paying yourself for the inconvenience.

Will you feel better or worse when you go to the garage to take your wife to her surgery appointment 100 miles away....only to find you have a mere 50 miles of charge left?

EC


50 posted on 08/11/2023 3:58:03 AM PDT by Ex-Con777
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To: SeekAndFind

The climate scam is a disease that effects all across the board


51 posted on 08/11/2023 4:04:50 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: SeekAndFind

Unicorn farts?


52 posted on 08/11/2023 4:07:18 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Neverlift

Ford has a F series truck transmission that has a 33kw generator attached to it.


53 posted on 08/11/2023 4:32:21 AM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: gibsonguy
In all seriousness, us conservatives who do solar and EV to give us some energy independence do it with a self-reliance/prepper mindset, not for some façade of saving the world. There aren't many of us, but fortunately those of us who do it tend to be the people who study the details so that we make sure it works efficiently. Most of my information for making mine work well comes from blogs of that community.

And that's why all of us have inverters that lets us be in control. Right now I'm not putting power onto the grid (my inverters have the zero output option). As far as my power utility is concerned, I'm a plain and simple customer without solar just like everybody else, only I consume a lot less power from the grid (about 20% of all the power I need I have to pull from the grid). Therefore, I'm not subject to any new regulations or fees.

I'm in the process of changing that. In Alabama they're not control-freaks on solar users, the added regulations and fees for putting power onto the grid are minimal. So I've applied for being inspected to be able to sell power to the grid (at a very low rate, about 20% of the rate I pay when I buy power from the grid, plus there's a small monthly fee, but it'll lower my power bills from averaging $74/month to about $50 to $55/month). My EV won't be part of that -- my EV isn't built for that anyway. It has a small 120V optional output for camping and such, so even if I wanted to use the EV for powering the grid it'd be minimal. Plus, I charge it by plugging it into simple NEMA 14-50 240V dryer outlets that aren't bi-directional. (One of the two outlets is powered by my inverters only when I have excess solar power. So if my EV already has more than enough charge for the next day's use, I plug it into that outlet and charge it for future days only if there's free power. With our driving habits we usually don't pull power from the grid to charge the EV because we'd usually have to have 3 days in a row of rain for us to drive the EV enough without free power to give up waiting on a sunny free power day to charge for free and wind up plugging it into the constant powered outlet that may or may not be free.) But if the state changes the regulations so that putting power onto the grid is not in my favor -- fine -- I'll change a few configurations in my inverters and I'll be back to not putting power onto the grid.

54 posted on 08/11/2023 4:35:59 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This plan is stupid. But that’s Communism for you: both evil and stupid.


55 posted on 08/11/2023 4:37:45 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: Jonty30

Hahahahahaha


56 posted on 08/11/2023 4:38:54 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: Tell It Right

“You can provide power to thirteen families with this EV battery!”


57 posted on 08/11/2023 4:40:09 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: mewzilla

https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/solar-and-vehicles/green-energy-incentives/solar-and-renewable-metering-and-billing/smart-meter-for-solar-and-renewable-customers/smart-meter-for-solar-and-renewable-customers.page

From the link...

“...Any electricity that you don’t use exports to the grid...”

Hear that, serfs...?


58 posted on 08/11/2023 4:47:33 AM PDT by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
“You can provide power to thirteen families with this EV battery!”

What a joke! They know it's a lie. For example, in July I consumed on average 85 kWh/day in my all-electric house (including charging the EV). Without charging the EV I would have consumed 64 kWh/day. My EV's battery holds only 78 kWh. So even if I was to hook up to their insane program (if I was insane enough to live in California), and even if I was to utilize my entire EV battery for helping the grid it'd at most do one family.

Besides, home solar batteries have a better depth of discharge and warranty than EV batteries anyway. Mine are rated to charge to 100% every day (unlike EV batteries, where they suggest charging only to 80% daily and save the charging to 100% only if you're about to go on a long trip). And my solar batteries are warrantied for 19 years (unlike the EV batteries warrantied for 7-10 years). EV batteries are great for charging and discharging at a fast rate (to drive a car), but aren't as good as LifePo4 home solar batteries as far as steadily providing power to a home with little degradation.

59 posted on 08/11/2023 4:58:47 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: fhayek

No, no, no. See we somehow charge up EVs and when we need it we take that electricity back for others and then replace it with…… 🧐 let me get back to you on this one…..


60 posted on 08/11/2023 5:13:12 AM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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