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U.S. readies another massive military package for Ukraine
Washington Post ^ | January 18, 2023 at 8:17 p.m. EST | Alex Horton and  John Hudson

Posted on 01/18/2023 9:30:14 PM PST by Zhang Fei

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To: citizen; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; ...

Ukraine ping

citizen: [Yeah, and no doubt our military brass is just itching to use those planes. Lose a few pilots? Who cares, gotta break those eggs, right, for that omelette? ]


You must be kidding. This is Joe Biden we’re talking about. He opposed Desert Storm:

https://theintercept.com/empire-politician/biden-walks-back-opposition-gulf-war/

He was against the operation to kill bin Laden:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/12/barack-obama-memoir-joe-biden-bin-laden-raid

He handed back a high-level defector who wanted to spill every secret he knew in exchange for political asylum:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/05/02/white-house-disputes-report-on-bo-xilai-deputy/

Biden doesn’t care about foreign policy. But he’s afraid of becoming a second Jimmy Carter. Carter lost Iran. He lost Nicaragua. Then the Russians invaded Afghanistan. Biden’s already lost Afghanistan. He doesn’t want to be the president that lost Ukraine. At the same time, his disinterest in foreign policy and typical Democrat timidity and stupidity means he’s giving Ukraine the minimum possible.

The brass doesn’t make decisions to intervene. Nothing happens without Biden’s direct order. Remember that colonel who criticized Biden in 2021 over the withdrawal from Afghanistan?

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/white-house-clams-up-when-asked-if-jailed-marine-officer-is-a-hero-like-vindman

He ended up in the brig and almost lost his pension. And that was just over public griping. A general who ordered his men into combat without presidential authorization would suffer even worse consequences. There’s a reason a Navy boat crew ended up being taken hostage by Iran during Obama’s tenure. Obama ordered no action to be taken against the Iranians taking them into custody as it was happening.


61 posted on 01/19/2023 12:11:09 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei
"U.S. readies another massive military package for Ukraine"

Is biden replacing any of the hardware he's giving away or is he leaving that job to the next Republican administration, if there is one, and to resort to spitballs if there is not.
62 posted on 01/19/2023 12:12:14 AM PST by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: Zhang Fei

63 posted on 01/19/2023 12:31:51 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body... gives me more rights. )
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To: Rurudyne

We have criminals running this place put there by useful idiot democrat voters.


64 posted on 01/19/2023 12:48:55 AM PST by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: Newbomb Turk
We are in the Second Cold War now. After World War II, the threat of nuclear war lead to Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine on both sides and forced conflicts to move to low intensity conflicts, bush wars, and smaller scale conflicts. One of the side effects that the number of people killed in war dropped after World War II. During the Cold War in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, and a dozens of other conflicts, one or the other between the US and Russia would usually back a side with weapons, while the other would send weapons, more material, and more advisors or soldiers.

This is how the Cold War was fought. The collapse of the Soviet Union and Putin's 20 year reign just put this on hold for 30 years. Don't forget that during the Cold War, it was Russia that was the aggressor in starting conflicts.

65 posted on 01/19/2023 12:57:31 AM PST by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0)
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To: Zhang Fei

Saving to read later.


66 posted on 01/19/2023 1:12:49 AM PST by NetAddicted (MAGA2024)
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To: CFW
How much unaccounted for money and weapons are we going to send to Ukraine?

Ten Myths about US Aid to Ukraine, for the May 2022 Ukraine funding bill:

"Myth 1: There is not enough oversight of US aid to Ukraine."

"...Reality: There has likely never been more accountability or transparency measures in place for US foreign assistance than what is available for Ukraine aid. Take the biggest (and most controversial) supplemental from last May, which allocated $40.1 billion. This bill was 699 lines long. Of these, 110 lines dealt with accountability, transparency, and reporting requirements. Therefore, 16 percent of the bill's text was dedicated to oversight."

Accountability is part of the legislation for the appropriations. Ukraine is not getting money to buy what it wants; the money is not actually going to any Ukrainian back accounts. It is going to the US and European suppliers of weapons, munitions, equipment, aid and shipping, with all the accounting that comes along with it.
67 posted on 01/19/2023 1:15:01 AM PST by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0)
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To: Widget Jr

Remember when the military conducted an audit in Ukraine and our Putinistas cried to high heaven about it being “boots on the ground” and highly provocative?

They claim that the weapons are stolen and therefore no more weapons should be sent.

They also claim that conducting an audit (that showed the weapons are there and used properly) is a terrible provocation.


68 posted on 01/19/2023 1:44:15 AM PST by Krosan
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To: citizen; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo

“You must be kidding. This is Joe Biden we’re talking about. He opposed Desert Storm:”

Ya, Biden the warmonger!, hilarious!. Of course the same people who call him that condemn him for pulling out of Afghanistan. These people would rather twist themselves into knots in contradictions rather than admit that a blind pig on occasion finds an acorn.


69 posted on 01/19/2023 3:28:39 AM PST by FreshPrince
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To: Zhang Fei

Russian “Dragons Teeth” are a joke - they are not anchored and can easily be pushed aside.


70 posted on 01/19/2023 4:03:25 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Zhang Fei

>> Putin’s like you, he’s OK with killing other people, but he loves his own ass. If he could nuke us without consequence, he would. Thanks to our nuclear arsenal, Putin is *never* going to nuke us unless we nuke him first.

More living in the past... this isn’t 1962 Kennedy vs Krushchev. This is 2023. Putin’s an ill, psychotic egomaniac. Biden is an obviously demented doddering old fool who wasn’t all that bright at his younger best. It would not be out of character for Putin to analyze the situation and decide he could nuke us and get away with it, because Biden would freeze at the switch... and Putin might be right.


71 posted on 01/19/2023 4:41:01 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: Zhang Fei

>> Fact is, the West has >20x Russia’s GDP

You missed my point, which is this: let the Yurpean globalists dig into their own damn pockets for once, and pay for their own damn eurowar. As far as that goes, let them sacrifice not only their own treasure but also their own blood. We have a war to fight here at home: an invading army on our southern border.

WE’RE BROKE


72 posted on 01/19/2023 4:47:25 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: Zhang Fei

The training required to become proficient in Combined Arms Warfare is immense. One cannot climb aboard an M1, Bradley, or Striker turn the key on, and go fight. Combined arms warfare requires the integration of Combat, Combat Support, and Combat Service Support operations. It would take years to make uninitiated soldiers capable of conducting those operations.


73 posted on 01/19/2023 5:27:43 AM PST by timza ( “Character, in the long run, is the decisive factor in the life of an individual" T. Roosevelt)
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To: Nervous Tick

What distinguishes today’s Russian aggression from that of the USSR?


74 posted on 01/19/2023 5:40:16 AM PST by Does so (What distinguishes today's Russian aggression from that of the USSR?)
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To: Zhang Fei; HollyB
Putin’s like you, he’s OK with killing other people, but he loves his own ass

If I asked the question: "If Biden wanted to destroy the US, what would he do differently?" Biden fans would answer "He has not committed US forces to fight Russia directly in the Ukraine war." A better question is, "If Biden wanted to destroy the US without destroying himself, what would he do differently?"

75 posted on 01/19/2023 10:27:10 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Do you really think US special forces are not already in Ukraine ? Of course they are. Also, again in reference to your quote “Putin’s like you, he’s OK with killing other people, but he loves his own ass” I agree this can be applied to the man in Castro green. ‘Zelensky also is ok with killing other people, but loves his own ass. ‘ It’s the same with most leaders. Trump however, showed us that we don’t need to interject ourselves on a military level across the globe. There are other ways.
Biden is not the first potus to behave this way. It’s been going on for a very long time. It starts with sanctions and military action follows eventually.


76 posted on 01/19/2023 11:08:14 AM PST by HollyB
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To: HollyB

Thanks for the reply. I believe US special forces are in Ukraine, but I don’t know of any reports of them in direct combat with Russian troops. (If Biden could get away with it, I would not be too surprised if he sent them into combat). The Biden gang got 13 US Marines killed at Kabul airport but did nut suffer too much public anger.


77 posted on 01/19/2023 11:34:49 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: buwaya

What makes you think china would Russia want to be like United States Don’t you get it they have their own vision for the world


78 posted on 01/19/2023 12:31:49 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: Newbomb Turk

I wrote this earlier today, but it bears repeating: Russians might be a lot of things…but they aren’t stupid.

No one is invading Russia. No one is sinking her ships. No one is dropping bombs on Moscow or St Petersburg.

Russia has no reason to attack the US. We are not at war with them. They did worse against us in Vietnam and Korea. We supported the Muhajedeen against Russia in the 1980’s.

Russia has more reason to be pissed at us directly for bombing them in Syria. And yet, they did nothing.

Russia knows they would be mauled against the US. It is easier to huff and puff for domestic consumption.


79 posted on 01/19/2023 12:38:27 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

>Russia has more reason to be pissed at us directly for bombing them in Syria.

They were asking for it and it was nice to hear how they got annihilated.

This is paraphrasing the dialogue with them.

US to Russia: We see that you’re setting up to attack us. We warn you not to try it.

Russia to US: That’s not us.

Then Russians attack and get annihilated.

Russia to US: Can we have an hour to collect our bodies, please?

US to Russia: Hmm ... sure.


80 posted on 01/20/2023 1:13:39 AM PST by Krosan
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