Gen. Michael Flynn Says ‘Russia Has Achieved…Their Objectives’ in Ukraine War, Believes Zelensky ‘Should’ve Been Thrown Out’ by U.S. Congress

bigleaguepolitics.com ^ | 01/02/2023 | Shane Trejo

[Salohcin]

The publicly stated objectives were simply PR rationalizations. Putin’s true war objective was to overthrow the Ukrainian government and replace it with a puppet regime that would agree to the eventual annexation of Ukraine by Russia. He has not achieved this.

[fireman15]

Putin's true war objective was to overthrow the Ukrainian government and replace it with a puppet regime that would agree to the eventual annexation of Ukraine by Russia.

You have summarized what Soros, the Neocons, NATO and the Biden administration have said Putin's objective was. Of course, Putin has never stated that this was his objective. Putting words in other's mouths, oversimplifying and not understanding what your opponent actually is trying to accomplish is not only counterproductive... it leads to bad strategy and tactics.

Anyone who believes that the same administration which orchestrated our disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan is capable of successfully waging a proxy war against Russia using a hopelessly corrupt bunch of circus clowns... is foolish beyond belief. Nothing good for the United States is going to come out of $Billions of taxpayer funds being squandered. This is all a big shell game and money laundering scheme that has been putting all of our futures at risk.

[Hiddigeigei]

"I keep hoping Putin would send Biden Zelenskys severed head in a gift-wrapped box and just end this already."
Wouldn't change anything. There plenty of back-up paid puppets eager to take the job. Ukraine is simply the chessboard for a game being played by the WEF. It's the damage it causes; it doesn't matter who "wins" to them.

[Salohcin]

Actually, I’m summarizing what Putin has said himself. Just read his statements about “historical Russia”, how the war is about reestablishing Russia’s “full sovereignty”, how Ukrainians are actually Russians and not a separate nationality, how the West in the past artificially manufactured the idea of a Ukrainian nation to split Russia, how the West today is using this artificial Ukraine to “split Russia.”

These are ideas that Putin has repeatedly expressed. Pretending that he hasn’t said then is willful ignorance.

[fireman15]

A bunch of often repeated out of context quotes combined with confirmation bias and fear mongering hardly constitutes a clear list of objectives from Putin. You have just shared a bunch of meaningless gobbledygook that is hardly an indication of anyone’s military objectives. If anyone is suffering from “willful ignorance” it is, you.

[Salohcin]

You expect that if Putin actually has imperialistic goals that he would explicitly admit it in public? How naive. 🙄

[fireman15]

Well thank goodness we have you to interpret what Putin’s cryptic dialog really means and are not having to rely on what he actually says.

[lodi90]

You expect that if Putin actually has imperialistic goals that he would explicitly admit it in public?

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Putin has compared himself to Peter. He’s clearly an irredentist trying to reconstruct the USSR. Sadly, some broken and defeated conservatives will never see the facts to staring them in the face because it spoils the fantastical world they have created.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/06/10/putin-compares-himself-to-peter-the-great-over-drive-to-take-back-russian-land

[Salohcin]

Thanks, I had missed those remarks. It is just another example of Putin’s belief that he is taking back what rightfully belongs to Russia.

[MarMema]

It is true, very sadly. They raised the kids for war.

[MarMema]

After an 8 yr civil war killings tens of thousands and persecution of ethnic Russians (and hungarians).
Russia responded to persecution. This time.
We claim to do the same.

https://thesaker.is/they-tell-you-that-we-are-nazis/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8j0tJsKltg

[MarMema]

😂😂😂 Thank you.

The Canadian Foreign Ministry summoned the Russian ambassador to the country after the tweet “about the composition of the family”

In response, the Ambassador invited the Minister to think about how she herself was born.

[MarMema]

Some of it, ok. But I am going to try to find it in Russia. Those last comments are lies or terrible translations.

People either get Russia or they don’t.

That euro news person is out to lunch.

[MarMema]

Please repost often.

[MarMema]

Love this! Thank you.

Your comment is perfect as well.

[xkaydet65]

Didn’t Hitler use the same argument re the Sudetenland? Didn’t Mexico use the same argument re Plan de San Diego?

[Cronos]

“the very word “Ukraine” means border, which is why the place was originally referred to in English as “the Ukraine,” that is, the border region.”

Note that that is an exonym that became an endonym.

Until the mid 1800s it was called Red Rus — because of the Slavic naming of cardinal directions by color = which was taken from the Turkic and Mongolic peoples

Red = South , so Red Rus = modern day Ukraine
White = West, so White Russia i.e. Bialo-Rus i.e. Belarus
Black = North, so Black Russia = Muscowy

The color for East was Blue so the Blue Turk empire or the GOKturk empire from 500 to 603 AD which stretched from Manchuria to Crimea.

When Moscow conquered the lands, they called them “little Russians” as a way of putting them down and they took the name Russia for themselves, cutting out the other 2.

hence the Red Rus took the term Ukrainian for themselves.

[Cronos]

“Slavic civilization actually did start in Kiev (Kievan Rus) but the Mongol invasions devastated Kiev and the new Slavic power center became Moscow, at that time an unimportant city great distance further north.”

Not quite.

EAST Slavic civilization started in Kyiv.

The West Slavs were predominant in Great Moravia (circa 5th century) and the South Slavs in Bulgaria.

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Also, Moscow didn’t quite become a “Slavic power center” as Krakow, Sofia and Prague were also Slavic power centers in the 12th to 15th centuries.

It wasn’t QUITE the “East slavic power center” because of two reasons

1. the Lithuanians conquered what is now modern-day Belarus and much of western Ukraine and were a Lithuanian-speaking pagan rulers over Old Belarussian speakers. Belarussian was the language of government and would have absorbed the Lithuanians if they hadn’t merged the state (the Grand Duchy of Lithuania) with Poland in 1400.

2. Moscow itself might have originated as a vassal of Vladimir-Suzdal, but Alexander Nevsky and his family made the Duchy of Moscow into the TAX COLLECTORS for the Mongol Khaganate and later for the Golden Horde (the Turco-Mongol division founded by the sons of Jochi, son of Chingiz Khan)

Moscow since then has been a Khanate - politically it is descended more from the despotism of the Mongols, like the Khanate of Astrakhan or the Khanate of Kazan.

The ruling class absorbed the Tatar (Turco-Mongol) rulers of the Khanates as they defeated them.

The people themselves are a mix of Slavic with Finno-Ugric peoples like the Udmurts, Mari etc. with a substantial Turkic influence.

[Cronos]

"As for the Ukrainian claim to the Crimea, that area was actually under the Ottoman Empire and was liberated from the Turks by Catherine the Great. The only thing Ukraine was at that time was the target of slave raids by the Turks."

This again is an oversimplification. Catherine the great herself was German and the court was dominated by Baltic Germans and ex-Tatar boyars, so we can't push the nationalist idea back before 1793 (French revolution)

here is the European map of 1600

And in 1700

Ukraine was a border country between the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth (not "Poland"), the Tsardom of Muscowy (not "Russia" yet, not until 1721) and the Ottomans (not "Turkey")

Ukraine as well as the Tsardom of Muscowy as well as the Commonwealth were the target of slave raids by the Crimean Tatars (not the Turks per se - they just bought the slaves when they were sent from Crimea south)

While right-bank Ukraine belonged to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth until late 1793, left-bank Ukraine had been incorporated into Tsardom of Russia in 1667 (under the Treaty of Andrusovo). In 1672, Podolia was occupied by the Turkish Ottoman Empire, while Kyiv and Braclav came under the control of Hetman Petro Doroshenko until 1681, when they were also captured by the Turks, but in 1699 the Treaty of Karlowitz returned those lands to the Commonwealth.

Most of Ukraine fell to the Russian Empire under the reign of Catherine the Great; in 1793 right-bank Ukraine was annexed by Russia in the Second Partition of Poland.

However, the Ukrainians are a separate East Slavic people - distinct from Muscowy. Just as the Slovaks differ from the Czechs

Moscow tried to assimilate them - and when they did so through culture, they were mildly successful, but when they imposed forced Russification from the 1870s, especially the crushing of the Uniate Church, they pushed people to feeling the sense of "other". This was especially the case under the Soviets - Stalin (a Georgian!) imposed Russification on the Soviets. Think of it this way - France in 1780 had only 10% speaking French i.e. Parisian dialect; Italy in 1850 had a similar number speaking Italian i.e. the Milanese dialect. Sicilian is not mutually intelligible with standard Italian, and Breton is a separate language. But the people took up French and Italian due to cultural pressures and most do not have the aim to set up a separate state. This could have happened in Eastern Europe in the 1800s, but hamfisted actions made people pull further apart and today they are separate nations.

[citizen]

When I saw the far-left, commie libs immediately embrace ZZZelenskyyy and his war with the Russians, I knew right away the RATS were up to no good.

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Yes, this.

All the Ukraine shills on FR must be either paid or reflexive Russia haters.

There's lots wrong with Russia but they do fight for the principle of nationalism and they abhor any sort of LGBTQ/trannie practices. The One Worlders despise the first and champion the second.