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Russia issues list of demands it says must be met to lower tensions in Europe {flashback to 17 December 2021}
The Guardian ^ | 17 December 2021 | Andrew Roth

Posted on 12/31/2022 10:24:13 PM PST by Cronos

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To: tlozo

“That’s a lie. If they were supporting Putin’s war they would be sending weapons to Russia. So far, its North Korea and Iran that are sending weapon”

There are other ways to support, like continuing normal trade. Russia doesn’t need their weapons, only the Daily Mail and Neocon-sponsored propagandists think so.


21 posted on 01/01/2023 4:19:35 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
There are other ways to support, like continuing normal trade.

Continuing trade with Russia, is NOT supporting the Russian invasion, it means these countries are not taking sides.

22 posted on 01/01/2023 4:22:15 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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I saw that picture, it’s Donetsk City, after another Ukrainian shelling of civilian areas there. Thankfully it’s not a war crime, since the Neocons are supporting that practice.

Thanks for posting it!


23 posted on 01/01/2023 4:22:20 AM PST by BobL
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To: tlozo

“Continuing trade with Russia, is NOT supporting the Russian invasion, it means these countries are not taking sides”

Nice try!


24 posted on 01/01/2023 4:22:56 AM PST by BobL
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To: tlozo

Iran and N. Korea have one thing in common with Putin and BobL - they hate America.


25 posted on 01/01/2023 4:24:41 AM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: BobL
“Continuing trade with Russia, is NOT supporting the Russian invasion, it means these countries are not taking sides”

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Nice try!

No answer, because these countries are ASLO continuing trade with Ukraine, especially with grain. So according to you they are supporting Russia AND Ukraine.

26 posted on 01/01/2023 4:25:50 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: BobL
I saw that picture, it’s Donetsk City, after another Ukrainian shelling of civilian areas there

Wrong again. A woman carries her cat as she walks past buildings that were destroyed by Russian shelling, in Borodyanka, in the Kyiv region, Ukraine, April 5, 2022.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/images-show-destruction-left-ukraine-town-borodyanka-russian/story?id=83910345

27 posted on 01/01/2023 4:29:12 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Cronos

I hear they are desperate for anyone now. Make a difference.

28 posted on 01/01/2023 4:31:52 AM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: tlozo

Right, like ABC News hasn’t lied to the public. We don’t take those ‘sources’ seriously here.

Got anything better, like Geo-location, because it looks a LOT like one of the residential buildings in Donetsk City that was shelled by Ukraine.


29 posted on 01/01/2023 4:32:47 AM PST by BobL
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LOT like one of the residential buildings in Donetsk City that was shelled by Ukraine.

Russian/Soviet construction all has the same dreary look.

30 posted on 01/01/2023 4:36:26 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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“No answer, because these countries are ASLO continuing trade with Ukraine, especially with grain. So according to you they are supporting Russia AND Ukraine.”

No one’s trading with Ukraine because RUZZIA refuses to let the grain ships leave, or did you forget that line already? Or are you guys now walking back that claim?

Nope, the 85% of the world NOT imposing sanctions are FINANCING Putin’s ‘War of Aggression’ (as claimed by the Neocons). RUZZIA is the country still making hundreds of billions selling their goods, mainly energy. Even if Ukraine got a ship or two past those evil Russians, it’s a pittance, as Ukraine is now TOTALLY DEPENDENT on the Neocons to finance their war.

Wake me up when you get some of that 85% of the world to start supporting your side, LOL.


31 posted on 01/01/2023 4:37:58 AM PST by BobL
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To: tlozo

“Russian/Soviet construction all has the same dreary look.”

Can’t argue that point.


32 posted on 01/01/2023 4:38:48 AM PST by BobL
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Lame


33 posted on 01/01/2023 4:45:51 AM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: Cronos

Thanks for this post from before Putin invaded Ukraine. No one wanted this war but dumbass Putin. Who will be dead or deposed by March 2023


34 posted on 01/01/2023 4:48:48 AM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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Wake me up when you get some of that 85% of the world to start supporting your side,

Neutrality, continuing trading is NOT supporting Russian invasion, its just not taking sides. If 85% of the world supported the Russian invasion, they would have vetoed the UN motion condemning the Russian invasion.

UN General Assembly demands Russia stop its offensive in Ukraine, voting 141 to five with 35 abstentions.

The United Nations General Assembly has voted to demand that Russia stop its offensive and immediately withdraw all troops, with world powers and tiny island states alike condemning Moscow.

The vote on Wednesday saw 141 states vote in favour of the motion, five against and 35 abstentions.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/unga-resolution-against-ukraine-invasion-full-text

35 posted on 01/01/2023 4:50:46 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Cronos

The Russian negotiating opener is a joke.

Russia is in no position to make any demands. Russia has lost the military and economic capability to exist much less demand what is can not achieve otherwise

The only valid Russian demand is to maintain in excess of 50% of oil and gas revenues sequestered by the west as reparations


36 posted on 01/01/2023 5:12:22 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality daythis piece is )
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To: tlozo

Votes counted by Dominion.


37 posted on 01/01/2023 5:20:02 AM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: dennisw

Oh, the chicoms love this war. Russia and NATO are using up their military capabilities.


38 posted on 01/01/2023 5:34:24 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Cronos

We fomented a Ukraine revolution/coup in 2014, caused a civil war and sided with the neo-Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists that wanted to exterminate the ethnic Russian population.

We encouraged Ukraine to ignore the Minsk Agreement it signed that would have brought peace to the region.

We armed Ukraine with offensive weapons, teased NATO membership for Ukraine and opened biological weapons labs there.

Then we built the Ukrainian army into the largest army in the NATO zone besides us, and massed it for deployment in the area of the Donbass in obvious preparation for an attack.

And finally, when Russia responded to all that, we claimed they invaded Ukraine for no good reason to annex territory.


39 posted on 01/01/2023 5:44:01 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████.)
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Then we built the Ukrainian army into the largest army in the NATO zone besides us, and massed it for deployment in the area of the Donbass in obvious preparation for an attack.

New year, new lie from the Putin Fanbois.

Really? Really? Ukraine was preparing to invade Russia, a power with a population, army, navy, air force and industrial base that is orders of magnitude larger?

Oh yeah, and then there is that other thing that Russia has that Ukraine does not. To quote Denis Leary "Two words. NUCLEAR F'ING WEAPONS!" Even by the very low standards of Putin Fanbois that is nonsensical.

But hey, thanks for playing. I'm sure you will have ample opportunity to spout more ill conceived falsehoods in support of Putin during the upcoming year.

(And don't go whining that the Donbass isn't Russia, so Ukraine wouldn't be invading Russia. It isn't Russia, but Putin would have reacted as if Russia had been invaded.)

40 posted on 01/01/2023 6:06:00 AM PST by Pilsner
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