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No counseling AGAINST queerness: U.S. judge hammers Christian view
World Net Daily ^ | December 28, 2022 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 12/28/2022 9:48:48 AM PST by fwdude

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To: Sarcazmo
They just want out of the closet they said.

They were in the closet for good reason. Homosexuality is wicked and perverted, a society that tolerates it will not survive.

21 posted on 12/28/2022 10:31:11 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: fwdude
Most homosexuals were sexually molested as children.

That is RAPE.

This ruling OUTLAWS RAPE THERAPY!!!!!

22 posted on 12/28/2022 10:31:29 AM PST by G Larry ( "woke" means 'stupid enough to fall for the promotion of every human weakness into a virtue')
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To: fwdude

GloboHomos must be resisted by any means available. They are relentless about destroying morality, which is Satan’s work they are doing.


23 posted on 12/28/2022 10:32:17 AM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: fwdude

PHOOEY to the governor—and to all “gay” supremacists!!!!


24 posted on 12/28/2022 10:34:41 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: fwdude
“ But the point is that the push is for this prohibition to be shifted incrementally into the private Christian sphere, of pastors counseling parishioners.”

I don’t see how that could get passed the first amendment.

25 posted on 12/28/2022 10:38:04 AM PST by circlecity
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To: fwdude

“we just want to love who we love, in the privacy of our own homes,” they said


26 posted on 12/28/2022 10:46:27 AM PST by PGR88
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To: fwdude; All
Thank you for referencing that article fwdude. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

"No counseling AGAINST queerness: U.S. judge hammers Christian view"


FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

What's worse, people of faith who get harassed in the courts by pro-LGBT government actors, or people of faith who don't know their constitutionally enumerated protections well enough to protect themselves from such harassment?

More specifically, since no LGBT-related terms, eg. gay, homosexual, appear in the Constitution, the politically correct LGBT agenda is actually constitutionally unprotected imo.

So when pro-gay activist judges and state actors abridge 1st Amendment-protected religious expression and free speech against queerness, they are unthinkingly violating Section 1 of the 14th Amendment (14A) that they swore to protect and defend imo.

Note that 14A protections have relatively recently been upheld in California, although I wouldn't be surprised if California taxpayers ended up paying the settlement.

UC Berkeley settles landmark free speech lawsuit, will pay $70,000 to conservative group (12.4.18)

And while some Christian denominations seemingly wash their hands of government authority because it is "evil," 14A in this example, note that Acts 22:23-29 shows that the Holy Spirit led Apostle Paul to claim his Roman citizenship to get out of a flogging.

People who have taken oath to protect and defend Constitution need to lose their offices under Section 3 of 14A for open rebellion against the Constitution imo, evidenced by the example of this thread.


27 posted on 12/28/2022 10:46:40 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: fwdude

Homosexuals need to be back in closet, forcibly so if necessary. They are a great harm to a functional, healthy society.


28 posted on 12/28/2022 10:49:37 AM PST by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: fwdude

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!


29 posted on 12/28/2022 10:56:45 AM PST by hecticskeptic (The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
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To: fwdude

They support “conversion therapy,” but only one direction.

Also known as “grooming.”


30 posted on 12/28/2022 11:03:01 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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To: fwdude

For those who test positive for the gay gene, gene therapy should be provided. Those who do not should get conversion therapy. Follow the science.


31 posted on 12/28/2022 11:08:02 AM PST by unlearner (RIP America. July 4, 1776 - December 13, 2022. )
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To: fwdude

Well, thankfully the new “Respect for Marriage Act” will protect everyone’s beliefs. (/s if it’s needed)


32 posted on 12/28/2022 11:23:24 AM PST by mykroar (what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how. - J0eStalin)
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To: circlecity
I don’t see how that could get passed the first amendment.

The First Amendment will be effectively nullified by then.

33 posted on 12/28/2022 11:44:20 AM PST by fwdude (Society has been fully polarized now, and you have to decide on which pole you want to be found.)
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To: fwdude

I’ve held a theory for a long time that the homosexual agenda is to force God into accepting their behavior. The way about that is to get the government to force it upon the churches.


34 posted on 12/28/2022 11:48:25 AM PST by VinnieCCT
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To: fwdude

We need to be clear in our legal representations that secular humanism, in all its forms, is a “belief system” no different than any religion and does not have Constitutional protection to be forced on everyone through policies that discriminate against other belief/value systems.

No one is forced to enter into a “coversion” therapy process, it is a choice someone has to make, and if it is their choice, it must be considered Constitutionally protected.


35 posted on 12/28/2022 11:57:31 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Levy78

It wasn’t all that long ago that an open homosexual couldn’t hold public office. Remember when New Jersey Gov. James McGreevey was found to be a homosexual? He was compelled to resign, no argument about it. That was less than 20 years go in 2004.

No known homosexual could serve in the federal government because they were rightfully considered a security risk. Remember Bradley Manning.


36 posted on 12/28/2022 12:11:34 PM PST by fwdude (Society has been fully polarized now, and you have to decide on which pole you want to be found.)
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To: Tell It Right

He;s a HOMOSEXUAL!


37 posted on 12/28/2022 2:08:28 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: amihow
No counseling AGAINST queerness:

Let me help...


 
We are living in a Genesis 19:9 world...
 

"Get out of our way,” they replied.
“This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge!
We’ll treat you worse than them.”
They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.
 


The Health Risks of gay sex.


 

And now,  a BIBLICAL Message about homosexuality



 
Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and 
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.


Leviticus niv

18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

20:13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. 

           They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

 
 


Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them;

they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it.

Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

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2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight.

They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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Ezekiel 16:49-50  "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom:

She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

They were haughty and did detestable things before me.

 Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

 


Romans 1     New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
 
 18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.
 

24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. 29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. 


2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. 
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


What kind of a people are we;

that we allow men dressed in womens clothes

to pervert the minds of little children?


But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

  9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
      Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. 
But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...


 


38 posted on 12/28/2022 2:35:52 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fwdude

We've come a long way, baby!


39 posted on 12/28/2022 2:38:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fwdude

A pastoral counselor operates in 2 realms. If in the realm of their Christian faith, then it is a religious counseling that is guided by scripture and doctrine.
For a traditionalist Christian, sexual immorality is an historic Christian issue and much is said about it in scripture and doctrine.

The state has zero authority in such thingd.


40 posted on 12/28/2022 3:01:12 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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