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WESTERN MEDIA AND MILITARY ANALYSTS STILL DAZED AND CONFUSED ABOUT THE WAR IN UKRAINE
Sonar 21 ^ | 7/13/2022 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 07/17/2022 12:10:20 PM PDT by Kazan

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To: Chunga85

Your little comments are meaningless.

But you make a great enemy agent.


41 posted on 07/17/2022 1:08:16 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: delta7

Ukraine took back the land north of Kiev after the Russian offensive stalled. But then the Ukrainians in Bucha paid a terrible price.


42 posted on 07/17/2022 1:08:41 PM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: apoliticalone

There were lots of negotiations. But Russia demanded that Ukraine demilitarize and run all foreign relations through them. Pretty hard to negotiate when one side basically demands the other side stop being a country.


43 posted on 07/17/2022 1:11:49 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: devere

And you see a lot of their propaganda in the comments on this site. Amazing that many of the anticommunist Cold Warroriors of days gone by are now supporting Russias brutal invasion of a neighboring country.


44 posted on 07/17/2022 1:12:10 PM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: Williams

Boo!


45 posted on 07/17/2022 1:15:46 PM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: Uncle Lonny

Yes I find myself agreeing with Biden and his gang of Rat criminals on this major issue, and opposing people who call themselves “conservatives” but approve of Putin’s mass murder. Life is full of surprises.


46 posted on 07/17/2022 1:22:19 PM PDT by devere
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To: Kazan

Russia is forcing a hidden mobilization. What does it mean for the future outcome of the war?
[Neo-Nazi soldiers in the Russian Army - evidence, photos]
https://youtu.be/lAzgyCEgHkw


47 posted on 07/17/2022 1:23:21 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Kazan

On June 18th I posted the following posts.

https://t.me/s/russica2/46664

NEZYGAR

The level of real irretrievable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has crossed all critical levels so much that the office of President Zelensky is forced to spend about €3.5 million daily to disavow these shocks among the population and the European audience.

€2 million goes to Euronews and smaller European media from Germany, France, Italy and Poland, €1 million goes to LOM and TG channels from the Baltics, the near-political establishment of Ukraine and the CIS countries, the rest is distributed to premiums and bonuses for functionaries of the 95th quarter.

According to MI6 data, which were handed over to the European Commissioners and European deputies, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amount to 176,000 killed and 41,000 seriously wounded on June 1, 22, without the possibility of returning to the theater, about 38,000 are considered missing.

According to the BND and the Polish intelligence services, which were shown at a closed briefing before the NATO summit, Ukraine’s losses in killed on the battlefield, plus the accompanying losses of civilians, exceeded 210 thousand people by 06/10/22.

According to NATO experts, as well as on the analysis of the NSA, which monitor social networks and special groups of mothers-wives-native Ukrainian soldiers, the losses range from 110 thousand to 197 thousand people, where the proportion of dead and missing is 45% to 55%.

The loss of military equipment and ammunition, as well as new types of weapons and unmanned aircraft, is 73%, and the shortage of fuel and lubricants has grown to 58% among BTGs on the front line of the line of contact.
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According to Nezygar about the losses of Ukraine, everything is 100% correct, even the dates, and the most interesting thing is that Ursula von der Leyen knew about this when she came to Kiev. Zelensky told her that he would consider the figure of 400-450 thousand people to be critical, and this will happen at the current level of losses no earlier than March 2023.

The BND and the NATO Ground Forces Command believe that by August 1, the level of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be more than 268,000, and the front line will pass through the Nikolaev and Kharkov regions, and this is without taking into account a possible strike by Belarusian forces from the north. If Lukashenka’s army is connected, the supply of theater of operations on the right side of the Dnieper will drop by 90-95%, moreover, the delivery of fuel and lubricants will become impossible for the civilian population and the harvesting campaign.
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Naturally there was no interest at all in this on FR. While I was shocked at these numbers I made clear that I had been following this Telegram site and they had always been accurate. And of course the follow up Telegram post from another site confirmed and added info to it.

Furthermore since the EU and NATO were about to have their meetings they would naturally get data prior to them and I knew Ursula Von der Crazy had just returned from her visit to Zelensky so the info on their conversation seemed plausible too.

Anyhow, here are two posts from entirely different posters today that pretty much confirm what I had previously posted though their info comes direct from the General Staff of Ukraine.

ZELENSKY IS SUBHUMAN!
Slavyangrad

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦 - Zelensky was allegedly told in an analytical note that he lost 176,000 soldiers from Feb. 24 to July 11, 2022, submitted by the General Staff of Ukraine.

Eurasia & Multipolarity
From Vladimir Novikov - Leader of the Zaporozhye militia, commander of the special forces ‘Troy’ detachment;
So, according to the information received, the number of irretrievable loss of servicemen of the AFU, Border Troops, Ministry of Internal Affairs and National Guard Forces for the period from 24.02 till 11.07.2022 appears 176 000 in the calculations of the General Staff of Ukraine presented in the analytical note to President Zelensky.
It includes those killed, wounded without the possibility of further service and those missing without trace.

The report does not include losses of the territorial defence forces (why count them...)



Tallying the troops BBC journalists identify more than 3,000 Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine
7:54 am, May 31, 2022Source: BBC News Russian

Ukrainian President’s Office / SIPA / Scanpix / LETA
Using open sources, BBC News Russian has identified 3,052 Russian soldiers and officers killed in Ukraine since Moscow began its full-scale invasion on February 24.

The Russian BBC’s tally only includes those soldiers whose full names could be confirmed based on reports from regional leaders and local media. As regional officials and media outlets do not report the names of all the dead, the actual number of Russian military losses is believed to be significantly higher.

To get an idea of how many military fatalities were not included in their statistics, the Russian BBC studied data from 11 regional cemeteries, where Russian soldiers were buried after February 24.

For example, the journalists found that 42 Russian servicemen had been buried in a cemetery near Ulyanovsk since the start of the full-scale invasion. What’s more, half of the deceased were not named publicly — not even on social media. At other cemeteries, the Russian BBC found that the names of 30–100 percent of the recently buried servicemen had not been publicly reported.

Extrapolating from these statistics, the Russian BBC surmises that its list of reported deaths contains “at least 40–60 percent fewer names” than the actual number of servicemen laid to rest in Russia since the start of the full-scale war.

The Russian Defense Ministry has only reported on troop losses twice in the three months since Moscow began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The last official toll — 1,351 soldiers killed and 3,825 wounded — was reported on March 25.

Like BBC News Russian, the independent Russian outlet Mediazona has also used open data to calculate Russian troop losses in Ukraine. As of May 20, Mediazona had found 2,622 reported fatalities. Similarly, the Ukrainian Telegram channel Goryushko, which gathers open source reports of Russian soldiers’ deaths, had recorded 3,054 fatalities at the time of this writing.

On May 23, UK Defense Intelligence reported that Russia’s military death toll in Ukraine was likely comparable to the Soviet Union’s losses during its nine-year war in Afghanistan. According to official statistics, more than 15,000 Soviet soldiers were killed or went missing during the Soviet-Afghan War. Ukraine’s estimates put Russia’s death toll even higher: at least 30,500 troops as of May 31.


48 posted on 07/17/2022 1:24:14 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: Kazan

Do any of you posting on this conflict know anything about what is really going on ? The more I see on here more it looks to me that the answer is no.


49 posted on 07/17/2022 1:24:14 PM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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To: Kazan

Hi, HIMARS! MLRS kicking effect of the new arms in Ukraine
https://youtu.be/y6q9RxjzfAc


50 posted on 07/17/2022 1:27:25 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Uncle Lonny

“Cold Warroriors of days gone by”

You’ve got one thing right. Those days have gone by, quite some time ago. I have a suspicion many people that think (using the term loosely) the way you do are very, very, old and for whatever reason, have no idea what’s happening in today’s world. Not a clue.


51 posted on 07/17/2022 1:28:02 PM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: Kazan

Ukraine released name of Russian captain ordered to launch missiles on Vinnytsia. 144th day of war
https://youtu.be/CUX550ptSXs


52 posted on 07/17/2022 1:29:13 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Chunga85

Isn’t it funny that my delusions about world affairs are slaughtering and humiliating tens of thousands of your scumbag Russian heroes.

Who is denying reality?


53 posted on 07/17/2022 1:47:49 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Kazan

From DAY ONE we have been fed nothing but propaganda and disinfo regarding Ukraine. I have been libeled as a Putin stooge constantly because I called attention to the lies. Most people don’t care. When one lie is exposed as blatant disinfo, they shrug it off and go on to the next. When this is allowed to play out after the midterms, many will still be so hyped up on the propaganda that they’ll be advocating starting the whole thing over again. What an unholy alliance, warmongering neocons stooging for the totalitarian globalists.


54 posted on 07/17/2022 1:54:14 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Williams

My parents are kind of like you. Just not as nasty. If they don’t see it on fox news then it didn’t happen. Or Yahoo News. Or Drudge. Everything else is propaganda and fake news and that’s final.

Dear old dad has been telling me he’s been trying to change his browser homepage from Yahoo to something else. He’s been working on this for at least ten years.


55 posted on 07/17/2022 1:57:36 PM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: apoliticalone
Why were there no efforts by Ukrainian leader, Russia, USA and UN to negotiate and avert a catastrophe that destroys a country and ends up killing many innocents?

The US WANTED Russia to invade Ukraine. They could have unequivocally declared and guaranteed that Ukraine would never be a member of NATO. Alternatively, in the days before the invasion when the US was saying Russia was going to attack, the US could have moved some tens of thousands of troops into Ukraine. Russia would have been a lot more hesitant about crossing the border knowing it would mean a direct confrontation with US forces.

The US chose to do neither of those actions. They wanted Russia to attack, assuming they would get enough worldwide support for the resulting sanctions to destroy the Russian economy and lead to the overthrow of the Russian leadership. I wonder if Bolton had any input into the planning for this intended coup.

56 posted on 07/17/2022 1:59:23 PM PDT by Wissa (The winds and waves are always on the side of the ablest navigators.)
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To: Williams

“There’s something wrong with people who keep looking at everything from the wonderful Russian point of view.”

Well... if you knew what you were talking about you would look at it tactically and probably come to a similar conclusion.

What’s unfortunate is that the president of the United States is/was too much of a dunderhead to go in there and have a conversation whereas I think the last president probably would have been over there post haste and having conversations.

That’s the frustrating part. And gross amounts to tax dollars are being funneled overseas... again.


57 posted on 07/17/2022 2:00:35 PM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: BobL

Well said. We do not have “grownups in charge” at all. The “Ghost of Keeev” alone should have given the lie to most of this stuff. They literally bought into an NPC from a video game. That was my moment.


58 posted on 07/17/2022 2:04:19 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Hoes mad! LOL! )
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To: Kazan

We are white Christian Merka fighting against the Godless communists! Ain’t we? Russia/Putin is Gog/Magog! or something! We can “hear the footsteps of our Lord and Savior as he approaches the doors of Heaven” or whatever sells books for Hal... What if “we” aren’t the good guys? We seem to promote our share of abominations with “our values” and so forth..


59 posted on 07/17/2022 2:12:18 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Hoes mad! LOL! )
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To: Chunga85

The Russians are still dead. And well deserved.


60 posted on 07/17/2022 2:15:38 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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