Good and clear post, but we're beginning to see indications that Republican legislatures were in on The Steal.
IOW, ole Joe was right.
Posted on 06/17/2022 5:47:11 PM PDT by T Ruth
Except that the Constitution seems to contain no mechanism to force a VP who’s had a snootful of systemic, concerted frsud across multiple states and is determined to, at least, throw each of the offending states onto its back foot, simultaneously and with an intention to smoke out people with “pan-state” influence who coordinated the electiral fraud above the level of any one state, even if the state-level actors remain hidden for the time being. This would amount to a Constitutional crisis, yes, but not created by the VP, merely discovered by the VP.
Yes, exactly. That no state did that shows what a crazy plan Eastman had - it was legit fraud.
Alternative Slates of Electors would have had to be prepared by the state legislatures in question. They had abdicated or even legislated their procedural roles away to state SOSs or Governors.
Good points but unfortunately, Trump didn’t act on them. Listened to Giuliani and Powell with all their nutty ideas.
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Regardless of the merits of Eastman’s plan, nothing came of it beyond President Trump becoming unhappy with VP Pence. This is a big nothing burger.
The truly laughable aspect of all this is Pence suddenly thinking he is a player. The man is a cipher and he has no constiuency. The Romney wing (which coukd fit in a phone booth) thinks he is a crazy right-wing evangelical, and the party’s conservative majority thinks he is weak and slippery and has no game. The dude is going absolutely nowhere.
Alternative slates? Only one slate can survive through until dawn on the day the electoral college votes in December. The other slates are just also-rans on that day. The point, frankly, is to shine light on the illegitimate process that elevated Biden’s slate to the status of electors. Granted that to do that the VP will have to second guess a host of state level actors like Kemp and Raffensberger who were and are highly unwilling to have their actions or motivations questioned by a sitting VPOTUS, but who cares about their feelings when we have a whole country to protect.
Good and clear post, but we're beginning to see indications that Republican legislatures were in on The Steal.
IOW, ole Joe was right.
I think what you are saying is that Eastman’s master plan required alternative slates of electors to function, none of which materialized by January 6th in the form of alternative envelopes reporting a full complement of electoral votes cast by those alternative electors for Trump and zero electoral votes for Biden, which the VP would then merely need to select instead of the parallel Biden envelope, and add those alternative Trump electoral votes to the formal tally, putting Trump over the top. I don’t think that kind of discretion would have been Constitutional. Rather, VPOTUS should have just stopped the U.S. Congressional presses and sent the offending envelopes back to PA, MI, WI and GA with instructions to explain why we shouldn’t keep the aforementioned presses stopped until those states fix their broken and corrupt General Election apparatus and come up with a legitimate election result and a legitimate Electiral College vote result.
“When Congressman and Senators raise objection, the process requires adjudication by Congress”
Right, and there was adjudication by Congress. There were objections by some Republicans to ballots from certain states and, per the law, and Congressional rules, Congress voted on those disputed ballots. Congress held the ballots were valid. Just as an FYI, there were objections from some Democrats in 2016 to the electoral ballots for Trump from Ohio (and maybe other states). Congress voted to accept those ballots as valid.
The states apporve slates of electors and those electors cast ballots. Once the ballots get to Congress, Senators or House members can object to ballots and force a vote on whether or not to accept those ballots.
I don’t know how far down the rabbit hole folks want to go. If states certify electoral ballots and send them to Congress, and if Congress the certifies those ballots as valid, do we really want to give individuals the power to throw those ballots out? Do we want Heels Up Harris, as Senate President, to have the power to throw out Trump electoral ballots from the 2024 eletion just because she says they are invalid?
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This is all bs - and NOT worth reading. I read Eastman’s actual letter at the time, and heard the actual plan in Eastman’s words on Steve Bannon’s show.
If you are going to read something read that - not this garbage.
Byron York has fallen a long way down since his great work for the original American Spectator exposing the Clintons decades ago. The article is garbage. John Eastman’s writings on the 2020 election process and its manifest, manifold un-Constitutional aspects were flawless. Skip the article and its shallow, misleading characterizations and read what Eastman actually wrote. You may be enlightened. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21066947/jan-3-memo-on-jan-6-scenario.pdf
“I have outlined the likely results of each of the above scenarios, but I should also point out that we are facing a constitutional crisis much bigger than the winner of this particular election. If the illegality and fraud that demonstrably occurred here is allowed to standâÂÂand the Supreme Court has signaled unmistakably that it will not do anything about itâÂÂthen the sovereign people no longer control the direction of their government, and we will have ceased to be a self-governing people. The stakes could not be higher.” - John Eastman
“In the short run, Democrats hope the hearings will help revive their troubled political fortunes for this November’s midterm elections. In the long run, Democrats hope the hearings will somehow disqualify former President Donald Trump from running again in 2024.”>>>>>>>>>>
Mr. York is so effete.
The fact is that the Jan. 6th Kangaroo Kommission is attempting to create a public trial without due process, because in its previous two iterations, Impeachments 1 and 2 , there was a modicum of due process in the Senate which denied their fabrications of evidence.
Now the Kangaroo Kommission is nothing more than a Torquemada witch trial but they have one problem: The Nov. 3rd midterms in which the Republicans will achieve majorities in the House and Senate and put the Kangaroo Commission to an ignominious end. The vexing question is “will the Republicans have enough balls to turn the tables on those who have participated in this witch hunt?”It will be necessary to put to account those who sit on this Kangaroo Kommission and who publicly deny the Constitution and the Rules of Congress, for their sedition, as well as the Attorney General himself should he decide to prosecute President Trump.
Then there are traitors like Barr, Cheney, Pence, Schumer, Pelosi, McConnell and others who form a parallel secondary tier of jingoistic “ elite privilege” who deny the will of the People. There must be some form of purge this time, one which will drain this sordid swamp for good so that there is a return to Constitutional governance instead of rule by perverted executive order, refusal to enforce existing law, in order to create a re-imagined America as a Socialist Utopia.The Republican enablers of this mess must also be examined in the public eye of truth.And their harvesting of millions using the levers of their power must be ended either by the IRS or by RICO statute Law.
Whether that is initiated by President Trump or a President Ron DeSantis, I do not much care, but they must bring America back from the brink of Leftist Insanity where our schools have become indoctrination centers for the sexual and socialist perversions of minority elites, who now exercise their “privilege” while they deny the Rights of the People themselves. Their drastic measures must be turned on these sordid psychopomps themselves.They have released a tide of drugs on the nation which originate in China, and enabled demograhic warfare on the People by allowing millions of illegal aliens cross the border into the heartland of America.
Republicans! Do not allow these traitors and quislings to dig holes deep enough to hibernate until the next possible weirdo administration. They need rooting out and permanent dislocation from the body politic. And Byron York? Shame on YOU!
Effete Byron York is all too collegial. And he commits vast errors of omission purposefully about the Eastman Memo.
Witness what the Left now attempts to do to Peter Navarro, the one man who has shown the world how aberrant the 2020 General Election truly was. The Democrats want him silenced. I am sure if they thought they would not suffer retaliation,Navarro would be assassinated by the Left’s wet work teams of Clinton and Obama, the same ones who arranged for the death of Epstein as a prisoner in federal lock up , New York City’s Hang Yourself Hotel, about which then AG Willim Barr was so outraged that he did nothing. Navarro is like Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings. He alone has made a cogent case based on fact so that President Trump is correct in his assertion that the election of 2020 was stolen, and now the Dems try to silence Navarro and ruin him financially in the method and style used against General Michael Flynn.
Why does York fail to mention this ?
If you have not taken the time to read the Navarro Report, please do so for it will give the true context of how drastic and dangerous this Kangaroo Kommission truly is. The election indeed was stolen, and the Swamp’s Kangaroo Kommission and the Leftist loyal media want to cover it up as if it never happened. Do not let them get away with that Byron York, get some fire in your belly, and stop cranking your proper mill in reverse!!
As far as Eastman’s Memo, it was couched in the context that the State Legislatures are responsible for setting state rules and regulations for any federal election. That’s the essence of the Constitution, and the problem is that radical elected State Judges, illegal litigation settlement agreements by Governors and Secretaries of State, and other illegal agencies illegally changed the rules of state elections at the last minute, which had been set by Republican Legislatures.The vote was therefore unsecure without proper verification procedures. Why does York fail to mention this? In each state there indeed was a parallel set of defacto electors who had been appointed by these same traduced state legislatures, waiting in the wings?
York is somewhat suspended in his recognition of fact.He has become nothing but a foil for the left. And he has not provided the proper Constitutional Context in which the Eastman Memo was couched.
York is now becoming an unmitigated Psychopomp, and enabler of the Left. If you believe this article, we all will be buying a bridge in Brooklyn next. Its an unmitigated blasphemy of sly spin.
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Reference: The Navarro Report:
https://peternavarro.com/category/the-navarro-report/
Text:The Navarro Report:
Byron York is usually wrong, along with the rest of his NR crew - but on this point he is 100% correct.
Alternate slates would have been a very good idea - it fact, the Florida Legislature was prepared to do just that in 2000, had it proved necessary.
As for 2020, though, it is a myth. Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Michigan all had Republican legislatures. They were perfectly free to appoint a slate of Trump electors and send them to Congress.
But they didn't. They didn't even convene to debate it. Not one single responsible member of any of those five legislatures did ONE SINGLE THING to advance what would have been a very good idea.
They didn't do it because they didn't want to do it.
They wanted Biden, and they got him.
Of course they don't, in fact the whole business about Congress "certifying" the election is nonsense.
Like good sons of the Westminster system, the Philadelphia convention members debated EXTENSIVELY involving Congress, or the House, or the Senate, in the process of choosing the President. All such proposals were rejected in favor of the State Legislatures choosing the President via the indirect method of the Electoral College.
Congress's powers under Articles I, II and Amendment XII could not possibly include "certifying" a "Presidential election" which appears nowhere in the Constitution and which in fact, in its present form, would have horrified the Founders.
You are on a roll! Good work!
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