Posted on 06/04/2022 9:10:51 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
I am perfectly serious. Spain can mobilize at least a division with all needed service units, with just the active service regulars and equipment its got. And that is with two complete armored brigades of Leopard 2A6. Its got enough Leopard 2A4’s for a reserve armored brigade. And other units in proportion.
Go down the list of Nato members and list the units each can organize for European service, given six months. The numbers add up quick.
You mean that the Russians kicked the crap out of the Neocon supported Islamic Terrorists and their Uke Nazi collaborators in Georgia, (that fled to Ukraine to regroup), and stopped the further Islamization and Ethnic Cleansing of Christian Eastern Europe and the White Slave Trade of Christian children by the Blue Helmets.
Yes, that is True, your friends got it good.
Wow, the Pooty Pals are out in force today. Russia must be getting really desperate. Anytime someone starts vilifying someone by hinting they are gay or light in the loafers, that is a real signal. On the other hand others have suggested that Putin really likes young boys and other small helpless persons. Whether he has acted it out, so far no public outcry like for Michael Jackson, but you can cover up a lot with $200 billion and the power of life and death, which should be sufficient calumny anyway.
There you go projecting like a Democrat again.
It’s beyond your imagination to conceive that Americans have real problems with getting into a Slavic Civil War 5000 miles away overseas while we have a communist takeover occurring in America. It’s pathetic.
Exactly. Don’t forget Obama’s role in all of the propaganda.
France can organize a division, at least, on short notice, with two armored brigades as well, just from long service regulars.
Not everyone was quite as screwed up as the Germans. But even the Germans aren’t THAT screwed up. And they can put themselves together PDQ, they are still Germans. They are good for a division, just from their active service regulars, and they can probably organize another given 2-3 months.
The British are good for another division.
Add em up. You will find all the available regular forces that would be the spearhead of expeditionary forces for Poland and the Baltics at 1.5-2x what the Poles already have (4 regular divisions).
I figure just these plus odds and sods from the rest, leaving out the US, Italy, Romania, Czechia, Slovakia, etc. Plus what Poland itself can mobilize in good time, this will give Nato 12 divisions (36 brigades) of regular troops in Poland and the Baltics, nearly all with the most modern equipment, near unlimited ammo, excellent road and rail systems, lots of airbases, comprehensive integrated air defense, etc. and etc.
And one still has the rest of the Eastern European forces (and throw in the Italians) for reserves and rear area security.
Add in the US (two divisions conservatively) with the still-overwhelming USAF and it does not begin to be a fair fight.
This all is just a fraction of what Nato had in 1989, but Russia is much worse off and cant deal with this. Even today a mobilized Nato is a fearsome thing. The 1980’s Russian rusty tank fleet would be a shooting gallery and their artillery and logistics would be a “target rich environment” for the Air Forces.
And thats just on the central front. What are the Russians going to do about the Swedes and Finns?
“ Russia has no capacity to deal with Nato nations”
Sure. Germany and France? Belgium?
This is not serious.
The Georgians are Islamic terrorists?
I would lay off the alcohol if I were you.
You enter a very weird world when you indulge.
Glendower: "Why, I can summon demons from the vasty deep!"
Hotspur: "Why, so can I and so can any man! But will they come when you do call them?"
You aren’t answering. Maybe you don’t know how?
Go count noses. These armies, air forces, etc. do exist. They are small compared to thirty years ago, but they are there, and they aren’t chopped liver.
“There are a lot of other people involved here besides the US and Russia. Almost all of these are more deeply invested in Ukrainian liberty, and hold a more realistic fear of Russia than the Americans.”
BS
The US has at least $50bil invested so far. Nobody else is even over $1 bil. And no other country would be involved if the US was not pushing.
“This has nothing directly to do with the problem of Russia vs Ukraine, other than that, probably, US weakness prompted Putin to take an absurd gamble.”
More BS
Russia would have invaded Ukraine no matter who was in charge of the US or Russia. It’s an expression of their perceived state interest.
” The die is cast (by Putin), and the US will not be able to do anything about subsequent events.”
If the US would pursue only it’s real interests, it would wash its hands of Ukraine. And NATO.
That would have enormous influence of subsequent events.
The Euros will gladly show up, if Russia mobilizes to “punish” Poland and the Baltics. The results of the Ukraine war have ruined Russia’s ability to deter the Euros from their urge to participate (the general European public absolutely LOATHES the Russians at this point) in what will seem like a group dynamics exercise, a “splendid little war” to save the Estonian and the Poles, given Nato’s inherent strength.
It won’t be that easy of course, but jeez Luise, the Russians can count noses too. They haven’t got a chance. Any idea of “punishing” a Nato member will remain a fantasy in diseased minds.
“Wow, the Pooty Pals are out in force today.”
They’re even resorting to threats of physical violence.
Over internet posts. SMH.
Perceived state interests include cost-benefit calculation.
Russia got into this because the Russian leadership thought it would be a walkover. Do you imagine they would have even begun this mess if they knew this current situation was likely three months in?
The US hasn’t begun to spend. Very little of the famous 40billion has been provided at this point. The bulk of the aid ACTUALLY DELIVERED has come from Euro sources, in large part because US systems and ammo have been incompatible with Ukrainian armaments. The numbers usually presented leave this out. One important reason for delivery of 155mm artillery is so Nato ammo can be provided, instead of what remains of former Warsaw Pact 152mm. And most of that 152mm is already there or on its way.
No longer effectively, Putin saw to that, just like the Second Chechen War.
Too bad your Buddies Lost.
“The 1980’s Russian rusty tank fleet would be a shooting gallery and their artillery and logistics would be a “target rich environment” for the Air Forces.”
That’s why they would open with tactical nukes, and dare retaliation.
None of the NATO countries would risk a nuke strike. None of them.
The US included.
You don’t have a “communist takeover”. You have a Tutsi-Hutu tribal war, inside the US. This is being fought with other than military means, because neither side has access or the will to get military about this. I expect your troubles will escalate to a few years of assassinations and terrorism and political oppression, by who upon who remains to be seen.
In the meantime, as long as you aren’t yet blowing each other up with 155mm shells, you have loads of surplus armaments that you all can donate to a good cause. Most of that $40billion is funny money government accounting of old reserve equipment mouldering away in arsenals and ammo storage facilities.
“Do you imagine they would have even begun this mess if they knew this current situation was likely three months in?”
Absolutely.
I can’t imagine them taking any other course no matter who leads the country. NATO exercising in Ukraine is perceived as an existential threat by them.
I’m surprised they haven’t used nukes there.
“You mean that the Russians kicked the crap out of the Neocon supported Islamic Terrorists and their Uke Nazi collaborators in Georgia, (that fled to Ukraine to regroup), and stopped the further Islamization and Ethnic Cleansing of Christian Eastern Europe and the White Slave Trade of Christian children by the Blue Helmets.”
Hyperbole much? The facts do not support your hysterics.
What happened in Georgia in 2008 is very similar to what happened in Ukraine; just exchange “South Ossetia” for Donbas, and Georgia for Ukraine. The play-by-play is uncannily similar.
In Georgia, ethnic cleansing was perpetrated by the South Ossetians (who were allied with Russia) against ethnic Georgians.
Are you okay with that ethnic cleansing?
Georgia is 88% Christian. Yet, you say “Neocons” supported Islamic terrorists in Georgia! Ludicrous! Post your support for such a wild claim! You are fixated on the term “Neocon,” as you employ it habitually.
You are also fixated with the term “Nazi,” as are almost all pro-Russia posters on FR. Do you have an equally abiding hatred of Communists? I honestly would like to know your answer. And I’d be interested in the positions of the other pro-Russia posters in this regard.
Finally, please provide proof that the UN in Eastern Europe — or anywhere, for that matter — operated a “white slave trade of Christian children.”
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