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Why Russia could be winning the war in Ukraine with capture of Luhansk region in Donbas within its grasp
I News (UK Newspaper in Associated Newspapers Limited group) ^ | June 3, 2022 | Taz Ali

Posted on 06/04/2022 9:10:51 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

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To: Navy Patriot

Meanwhile, the US ISW says Russia has shot its wad in Luhansk and has insufficient forces in place to take on Donetsk oblast.

Yet just yesterday Russia introduced 20 new Battalion Tactical Groups to Donetsk. 15,000 fresh, well armed and supplied troops. This in addition to the Artillery Regiments still in place.

I don’t know which term better applies: Meat Grinder or Cauldron.


21 posted on 06/04/2022 9:59:14 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Jim Noble
Lots of worthwhile observation and analysis there, Jim, and you have strong points.

However, I'm not so sure Russia thought this would be easy.

Consider that Russia watched the Western "repair" of Yugoslavia, moving on to the merciless NATO bombing of Serbia, and the NATO/UN Ethnic Cleansing of Kosovo and the murder of Christians by agents for an Islamic Caliphate.

Then, when Russia had regrouped and recovered enough to be somewhat effective, they put a stop to the Neocon expansion of the Caliphate by Georgia, into South Ossetia.

There they learned it was not going to be easy, and that the West's Agents would flee from defeat in Georgia to Ukraine.

Add to that what they learned internally from the Second Chechen War.

I don't think Russia expected easy pickings.

22 posted on 06/04/2022 10:00:42 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: mac_truck

“No rest until Odessa and Kharkiv are liberated”

Each of them will be a legendary battle.


23 posted on 06/04/2022 10:02:59 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Candor7

Wait until that new Wonder Weapons come on line. There will not be any Allies or Allied ships left south of Antwerp.

(Same delusion, different war.)


24 posted on 06/04/2022 10:03:09 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mariner

See 24.


25 posted on 06/04/2022 10:04:01 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: PIF
Is "orc" your favorite word?

I'm both puzzled and highly amused by your fetish.

26 posted on 06/04/2022 10:04:42 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: WMarshal

I’m afraid the Russians as “orcs” have pretty much taken hold. I’ve read this description from Ukrainian front line sources. Who came up with the comparsion, who knows
but it’s taken root.

Me, personality think it should be orcs vs. goblins.
And America stay out of it.


27 posted on 06/04/2022 10:07:24 AM PDT by RedMonqey (Fu%k the Ballot box. Now the Cartridge Box)
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To: SoConPubbie

Nah, they’re not orcs, they’re either Sauron or Sarumon.

The hand controlling the puppets.


28 posted on 06/04/2022 10:13:48 AM PDT by RedMonqey (Fu%k the Ballot box. Now the Cartridge Box)
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To: Jim Noble

BS. There are a lot of other people involved here besides the US and Russia. Almost all of these are more deeply invested in Ukrainian liberty, and hold a more realistic fear of Russia than the Americans.

The arguments here are infected with American domestic politics, to the point of fantasies about the nature of the world. You Americans hate each other so much that many of you cant see straight. You imagine that dozens of countries with a vast range of disparate interests are bound up in some manichaean global struggle. There is no value in that conceptual frame.

In the US what you have is a war between castes, or not exactly a class war, but something closer to Hutu-Tutsi tribal conflict. The “leaders” in this are more driven than leading.

There are no masterminds or plans, just a lot of confused charlatans afraid of their own followers. The reality is simply chaos, and it could never have been anything else. It sucks to be American these days.

This has nothing directly to do with the problem of Russia vs Ukraine, other than that, probably, US weakness prompted Putin to take an absurd gamble. There are fantasies over there too.

This will not be resolved by the US no matter what it does, and it IS likely to draw in other players, depending on how it goes. The die is cast (by Putin), and the US will not be able to do anything about subsequent events.


29 posted on 06/04/2022 10:14:43 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Navy Patriot

Putin should have done this back in 2014. When he liberated Crimea.


30 posted on 06/04/2022 10:16:16 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: PIF
PIF, I am sorry that I have been so hard on you about your orc fetish. Here is some gay-a55 orc porn to make you feel better - try not to get your keyboard all sticky.

 

 

31 posted on 06/04/2022 10:16:45 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: WMarshal

You are just trying to kill an internet wide meme and truth (if they behave like Orcs, then they are Orcs)


32 posted on 06/04/2022 10:17:09 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: WMarshal

Nice! Which one is you?


33 posted on 06/04/2022 10:17:45 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Candor7
Wait until that new artillery come on line.

Rumors are they were destroyed before even making it to the battlefield.

34 posted on 06/04/2022 10:18:13 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: RedMonqey

The reality of the world is that it is the orcs driving Sauron and Saruman before them. There are no masterminds, just idiots in power doing what seems expedient at the moment, creating consequences requiring yet more expedient decisions shortly after. All the while trying to pacify their orcs.


35 posted on 06/04/2022 10:19:48 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: PIF
"Nice! Which one is you?"

So you CAN type with one hand and pleasure yourself with the other. I am impressed.

36 posted on 06/04/2022 10:20:10 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: PIF

He was a Mongoloid. He was a Mongoloid and happier than you and me...


37 posted on 06/04/2022 10:21:12 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I think it’s starting to occur to them what happens if Russia wins and then turns its eyes on to the countries that have been supplying weapons


38 posted on 06/04/2022 10:23:05 AM PDT by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum )
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Yeah dehumanizing the enemy was always a propaganda tactic


39 posted on 06/04/2022 10:24:42 AM PDT by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum )
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To: mac_truck
These CIA Nazis sowed the wind in 2014, now they’ll reap the whirlwind.

The CIA and Alphabet Agency bullies have sowed hate and discontent in a lot more places than Ukraine, so there are a lot more knives out for 'em than Russian.

40 posted on 06/04/2022 10:28:50 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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