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Wrongful death suit dismissed, Collier County road rage shooter immune under 'Stand Your Ground'
Naples Daily News ^ | 29 October, 2021 | Rachel Helmann Mercader

Posted on 11/02/2021 7:58:47 AM PDT by marktwain

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No civil lawsuit in a case of justifiable homicide.
1 posted on 11/02/2021 7:58:47 AM PDT by marktwain
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Misleading headline.

The shooter was the victim of the now deceased drunk dude’s road rage.

He played stupid games, won a stupid prize.


2 posted on 11/02/2021 8:03:47 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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Drunken Norgard attacked Elledias and got shot.

We had a similar case here in Tucson many years ago. Unknown if he was drunk but the road rager definitely attacked the shooter who feared for his life.

Due to anti-gun judges and prosecutors the victim went to jail.

Tucson man gets 11 years for 2011 road-rage killing

Buelna testified he turned into the Jack in the Box to get away from the situation, but Casarez beat him into the parking lot.

He told jurors Casarez jumped out of his car and threatened to assault him and he shot Casarez in self-defense after firing a warning shot.

3 posted on 11/02/2021 8:07:19 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper)
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“...the court ruled that, when weighing the evidence, the testimonies of the eyewitness, Elledias, and his wife were credible, consistent and collaborative.


I think they mean “corroborative”.


4 posted on 11/02/2021 8:08:50 AM PDT by Ken H (Trump won.)
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To: marktwain

Sounds like a happy ending to me!


5 posted on 11/02/2021 8:08:59 AM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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Good on the Naples News. What appears to me to be a fair and balanced account of events. In a newspaper, no less!
6 posted on 11/02/2021 8:09:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Diana Moon Glampers for Secretary of Education! )
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To: PROCON

Ping


7 posted on 11/02/2021 8:09:18 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Little Ray

Hardly a happy ending. Norgard seems to have acted like a jerk, no doubt, and he needed to be taught a lesson, perhaps, but he paid a dreadful price for his stupidity.


8 posted on 11/02/2021 8:10:58 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Diana Moon Glampers for Secretary of Education! )
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

He got insanely drunk. He attacked someone. That person felt his life was in danger and shot him. Now he’s dead and his estate can’t sue the person who defended his life.
That is a happy ending.


9 posted on 11/02/2021 8:14:07 AM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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“Reasonable fear of imminent death”

That’s not exactly a new and “out there” standard for self defense. “Road rage shooter” is misleading to the point of looking like a deliberate lie.


10 posted on 11/02/2021 8:16:15 AM PDT by cdcdawg (How long before Biden refers to himself as "Brandon?" )
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11 posted on 11/02/2021 8:25:19 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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Norgard wasn’t shot because he was stupid or acting like a jerk (all of which he was).

Norgard was shot because he “reach into the truck as if he was attempting to grab someone,” then “lunged again,” which actions reasonably constituted an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the couple in the truck.


12 posted on 11/02/2021 8:28:14 AM PDT by Carl Vehse (A proud member of the LGBFJB community)
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To: cdcdawg; All

Most of the time, the person who writes the article is not the person who writes the headline.


13 posted on 11/02/2021 8:28:47 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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A tribute to the drunken perp


14 posted on 11/02/2021 8:32:46 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fauci is a despicable little turd)
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Reasonable fear of imminent death


In my commonwealth (Kentucky), you only have to have reasonable fear of serious injury. A fairly famous case drove that point home a few years ago (also road rage). The interesting thing was that the shooter was the one that instigated the road rage in the first place. Unfortunately for the other guy, he ramped it up, attacking the shooter’s car with a baseball bat at the windshield and driver door window.

It did go to trial, and got a not-guilty verdict.

An armed society is a polite society.


15 posted on 11/02/2021 8:37:35 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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A Johnny Cash fan.


16 posted on 11/02/2021 8:37:49 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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later


17 posted on 11/02/2021 8:40:08 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Balloting)
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It appears the other witness backs the victims and says Norgard is the one who attacked

“...The witness observed Norgard reach into the truck as if he was attempting to grab someone, and then he saw the driver try to push Norgard away. After that, Norgard lunged again, only to be pushed back and shot twice. Fearing for his own safety, the witness drove away and called 911....”


18 posted on 11/02/2021 8:45:34 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Little Ray
He got insanely drunk. He attacked someone. That person felt his life was in danger and shot him. Now he's dead and his estate can't sue the person who defended his life. That is a happy ending.

When I was in my 20s I was working in our family lumber mill business during the day and not getting paid, so at night I was delivering pizzas for Dominoes so that I had a little money to spend. On night as I signaled and started to get into a left turn lane I heard all this honking. The car behind me was trying to roar around me. I did not complete my lane change and turned left at the next intersection instead. The guy who had been behind me had his car parked across the street as I go back to the road that I had been trying to turn left onto.

I rolled down my window to see if there was something wrong. He was a huge guy and he flung my door open and grabbed me by the arm and yanked me out of the car and actually pulled my feet off the ground. (This was a 60s car with no seatbelts.) My car was still in park and rolled into the side of his car and put a big dent in the door.

He was going crazy and saying who “Who is going to pay to fix my car?” His girlfriend was yelling and screaming “Don't kill him”. So I pulled out my hand gun and shot him in the side of the head. Not really! But I thought that the guy who was the biggest strongest soldier I had ever seen was going to kill me or I was about to be beaten severely. Fortunately some police sirens went off and he and his girlfriend thought that he was going to be arrested for assault again and get booted out of the 101st Airborne, so they took off. The police went roaring by for some other reason a few seconds later. I was still alive so that was my happy ending.

19 posted on 11/02/2021 8:46:44 AM PDT by fireman15
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saw Norgard jump out of his vehicle...

A postmortem toxicology report showed Norgard’s blood-alcohol level was .188, which is over the legal limit of 0.08.

So, in addition to attacking the other driver, Norgard was driving drunk. I'm having a hard time feeling even a little bit sorry for the guy. As someone else said: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

20 posted on 11/02/2021 8:49:29 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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