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Now AstraZeneca vaccine is linked to strokes: One patient dies and two are hospitalised after receiving Covid jab as doctors are warned to look out for indications of brain-damaging clots
Daily Mail ^ | May 25 | By KATE PICKLES HEALTH CORRESPONDENT FOR THE DAILY MAIL

Posted on 05/25/2021 8:59:20 PM PDT by RandFan

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To: gas_dr; All
"If HCQ and ivermectin were cures
it would be used
snd we wouldn’t have 600,000 dead...."


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81 posted on 05/26/2021 9:09:23 AM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: gas_dr
If HCQ and ivermectin were cures it would be used snd we wouldn’t have 600,000 dead.

HCQ and Ivermectin were purposely withheld from treatment. Had HCQ and Ivermectin been used, you would still have 550,000 dead from whatever actually killed them (Flu, heart disease, diabetes, old age) but the other 50,000 who actually got WuFlu alone would still be alive.

If you withheld the HCQ or Ivermectin triple combo from a patient that died then you are a murderer.

82 posted on 05/26/2021 9:10:26 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: DugwayDuke

I see the flaw in your argument.
I’ve pointed it out before, too.

But like the troll you are, you mindlessly spout the lies.


83 posted on 05/26/2021 9:15:48 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: DugwayDuke
Show me the peer reviewed study in a credible medical journal that shows HCQ/Zinc and Ivermectin have been proven as effective as the vaccines in preventing COVID.

Peer-review has become a joke. Remember the reproducibility problem. Not to mention, the "studies" that were done, used HCQ *without* Zinc, and gave Ivermectin after the patients were hospitalized. Designed to fail.

So Trump did the vaccine development, Warp Speed, to make BigPharma and connected Dem officials lots of money?

Trump did the business/supply chain aspect of it.

It is a mark of the continuing dishonesty of Big Pharam -- the list of criminal penalties against the jab makers over the years have already been posted on these threads -- that they decided to flim-flam the President and the American public, just to line their own pockets, by substituting a known-to-fail-in-the-past-in-animals, undertested-on-humans experimental gene therapy.

But you already knew that, troll.

84 posted on 05/26/2021 9:19:22 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Sirius Lee

You are completely incorrect

I have both drugs and they did not help in advanced disease. I saw many people who progressed despite being on these meds.

As for what actually killed them the majority of influenza probes came back negative this year snd if you get Covid pneumonia and hypoxemia with certain comorbidities and die it was the Covid that shoved you over the edge

So the fact remains and what you did not speak to is that you believe every physician in the United States is in on your theoretical conspiracy. It is impossible. If we know of a cure we administer it. Period

If you wanted to be up on current treatment the monoclonal antibodies are excellent. Particular in combination. And there is some utility of tolciluzimab (IL 6 inhibitor) but still an imperfect rescue.

And please the ignorant statement accusing us of murder for withholding meds that don’t work is offensive on its face. An apology for this statement is in order.


85 posted on 05/26/2021 9:22:46 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: gas_dr; All
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86 posted on 05/26/2021 9:59:17 AM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: gas_dr
I have both drugs and they did not help in advanced disease.

I did not know you were taking both drugs. Gosh. I'm sorry.

87 posted on 05/26/2021 9:59:50 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Sirius Lee

I have administered both drugs. Sorry for the typo. But that’s all you can respond. Between my stalkers ridiculous memes and your argument of me missing a word. You guys really got nothing but empty words to valid arguments.


88 posted on 05/26/2021 10:04:17 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: gas_dr
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89 posted on 05/26/2021 10:37:41 AM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: gas_dr

You asked me to apologize and I did. Now I retract it.


90 posted on 05/26/2021 10:54:37 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Sirius Lee

Funny. I don’t see the apology for insinuating we are murderers.


91 posted on 05/26/2021 12:36:47 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: gas_dr
Funny.

Thank you.

I don’t see the apology for insinuating we are murderers.

I took it back, remember? I just don't like you. Nothing personal.

92 posted on 05/26/2021 12:50:25 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: gas_dr
They are not cures like my two stalkers want to believe.

Stalkers? Really, Gassie?

Here's what I see. You are a 'crisis' doctor, correct? Does it now follow that you only deal with patients when they are in crisis? From what I've gleaned, those medications are only effective BEFORE crisis, at the onset of the covid and/or as a preventative.

You aren't telling the full story when you rant against HCQ/Ivermectin. There are plenty of countries and doctors across the world who say they ARE effective in treating the covid. You seem to disagree, but are you really in a position to do so?

I say no. What say YOU?

And as far as the 'stalker' charge goes, you can be a nasty piece of work. I saw it on the flubro thread (where we are on the same side of the argument) and I see it when we are opposed.

And you're the one that stepped up to aggresively confront us 'flat earther/anti-vaxxers'. So, no. You are not being stalked. You are having your challenge accepted and confronted. You claim professional authority and go right the F off when someone challenges that authority.

By your definition of stalking, you and your vax posse stalk Ransomnote on each and every thread she posts that is harmufl to your position.

No. Lets not hysterically call 'stalking'. Let's call it a battle of ideas for the hearts and minds (and safety) of the public.

Welcome to the field of ideas.


93 posted on 05/26/2021 2:08:48 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: gas_dr; ransomnote
Between my stalkers ridiculous memes...

I'm starting to think that anybody that gets the best of you, is a stalker in your book. I get that a lot from beaten opponents. Cause it couldn't be THEM that's the problem. THEY are righteous and just.

Its good to know memes are effective. I learnt that from Q. I'll have to ramp it up.


94 posted on 05/26/2021 2:18:05 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Sirius Lee
I took it back, remember?

Don't take it back. For every human that died from a politicized lack of proper treatment and every dead victim of the fake vax, they have blood on their hands.

No matter if their actions were politically and knowingly manippulative (Cuomo/Governors) or just from ignorantly and sheepishly following guidelines from the 'medical community' burrocrats (CDC/Fauci, et al).

Yes. There are bloody hands. And those hands need to hear it.


95 posted on 05/26/2021 2:22:59 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster

Nope there are only two. I am sorry to say you aren’t one off them. Neither is ransomenote

The two of you have some socially redeeming qualities. 😊

And the Brazilian meme is quite funny. Well done.


96 posted on 05/26/2021 3:17:44 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Sirius Lee

I don’t like you particularly either. But I would never call you a murderer. So it appears you are governed by emotion.


97 posted on 05/26/2021 3:19:36 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: gas_dr
So it appears you are governed by emotion.

LOL! Or the Id. Do Apple fanbois feel iMotion?

98 posted on 05/26/2021 3:42:02 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: gas_dr
Nope there are only two. I am sorry to say you aren’t one off them. Neither is ransomenote.

Whew. That was a close one.

The two of you have some socially redeeming qualities.

Well, on this we can agree.

And the Brazilian meme is quite funny. Well done.

You have my permission to show it around the office. Many doctors have a sense of humor. You should meet my kidney doctor. He's a hoot. He likes to rag on my MAGA hat without appearing to. I love that guy.

#NoHomo


99 posted on 05/26/2021 3:46:40 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: DugwayDuke; gas_dr; Kozak; Jim Noble

Nope. I went to school for 11 year post high school, have worked nights, weekends, holidays, my kids birthdays etc and many 80-100 hour weeks so I can withhold actual treatment from people and give them stuff that doesn’t work to watch them die. I get my enjoyment in life telling people there loved one is dying/dead and it’s so much better if I know i could have saved them but let them die anyway. The jig is up the antivaxxers have figured out the medical profession. /s
They know as much about doctors and what motivates them as they do about the vaccine.


100 posted on 05/26/2021 3:50:30 PM PDT by Mom MD ( )
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